TAD DEVINE Still working for Bernie Sanders

[Wwcd]

Putin asset still working for Bernie Sanders; refuses to deny whether he still works with jailbird Manafort.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/top-bernie-sanders-adviser-named-in-the-evidence-list-for …
4:07 PM - Jul 20, 2018

A Top Bernie Sanders Adviser Is Named In The Evidence List For Paul Manafort’s Trial

An exhibit list released this week in the Mueller investigation cites emails from 2014.
It was previously reported that Tad Devine, a top Sanders strategist, stopped working in Ukraine in 2012. He lied.

SNIP
His role in the investigation entangles the Sanders orbit in an expansive government inquiry that has probed questions surrounding Russia’s interference in the US election, Trump’s potential obstruction of justice, and the insider world of lobbying and influence in Washington that runs counter to the Vermont senator’s own brand of insurgent anti-establishment politics.

Devine’s firm, Devine Mulvey Longabaugh, continues to do work for Sanders, who is running for reelection in the US Senate this year, as well as other 2018 candidates.

Manafort and his former associate Rick Gates, who served as Trump’s deputy campaign chair, worked on behalf of Viktor Yanukovych, the former pro-Russia president of Ukraine, beginning in the mid-2000s.
Devine also worked in Ukraine with Manafort on Yanukovych’s behalf — a long-public business arrangement.


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/top-bernie-sanders-adviser-named-in-the-evidence-list-for

Such a fine bunch to be closely connected to.
The trail leads straight to Putin.

I'm sure Mueller will put it all in perspective real soon.
Sure would be good if Mueller can lift the Manafort/Devine weight hanging from Sanders' shoulders.

We'll wait...

[nycbos]

1. I didn't support Sanders in the primary.

But if he runs I don't want any Democrat to be tainted with Russia. If he keeps Devine around people will imply he is guilty by association so I hope he cuts ties with Devine. There are no shortage of consultants who would love to work for him.

[Hortensis]

46. Don't think he'll be able to run as a Democrat

as the remaining faction of his early following in the party becomes increasingly hostile to mainstream Democrats.

Hopefully the current trends will reverse as the Mueller report and prosecutions climax, but right now this nation is developing factions who fight Russia (Democrats and a minority of conservatives) and those who either merely welcome Russia's assistance in their fight against Democrats and/or those who actively ally with Russia (Republican Party, other conservatives/libertarians, and some left-wing groups).

For a long time Sanders himself has been straddling those sides, occasionally siding with Democrats against Republicans, fighting to unseat Democrats from office, and presumably only tacitly accepting Russia's assistance in trying to weaken the Democratic Party.

Now that Sanders has ditched his temporary identity as a Democrat, though, many of his harder-core followers have ditched any straddle and deepened their antagonism toward the mainstream of the Democratic Party. As this type goes more extreme, the differences between them and the extreme right grow narrower.

Ohio's OR types endorsed Dennis Kucinich, a long-time apologist for Russia who's become a Fox commentator, endorsed Hannity's claims of a Democratic "deep state" out to get Trump, cast Michael Flynn as a victim, and at one point called Trump's Russia problems "a bunch of nothing." Many details in Kucinich's behavior have even lead some to speculate that he might have been compromised by Russia in yet another "how else to explain it" phenomenon.

So many examples, but a rather frivolous one that nevertheless sticks is the Our Revolution chapter that somewhat bizarrely was going to protest at a Hillary Clinton speaking engagement a couple months ago, something that must have made sense to them. Sanders dissociated from their actions, but that they chose to attack Clinton instead of any of dozens of corrupt, fascistic and even treasonous Republicans in their region is indicative. As is these types' pervasive hostility toward us on social media wherever they gather.

This type would, of course, support Sanders running as a Democrat as long as they saw it as a hostile incursion into the party, but as they become increasingly known for hostility, I really doubt we'd allow this in 2020. Hopefully, their enemy-of-my-enemy support for Russia will become too damaging to continue by then, but it could also instead increase.

[KPN]

2. Don't we have a rule about spreading and fueling conspiracy theories here at DU?

There is nothing in the linked article regarding "Putin asset" as your OP describes. Nor has Devine been charged or indicted for anything.

[Wwcd]

4. Its not a ct. Its in the Buzzfeed article. And is a true fact.

Nothing in TOS to remove this from DU.
It is legitimate.
Mueller's finding was made public. What are we supposed to believe? We have a duty to question this.

We should be concerned whenever its found out that the Kremlin has links to our Party.

I'm sure Sanders is concerned as well & am sure he will denounce Devine's business ties between Manafort & his campaign.

It is said Sanders was used by Devine/Manafort.

Bernie Sanders needs to clear his name from this nasty connection that brought us Donald Trump.

ASAP PLEASE! Then we can all move forward assuredly.

We have a right & a duty to expect it be put to rest.
Sanders is the only one who must do so.
Clear his good name.

Thanks

[Autumn]

8. You tampered with the article. The sentence"He lied" are not in the article you posted.

I'm sure we can wait for you to correct your addition of that sentence that Ruby Cramer didn't put in her written and published article

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016211489

Wwcd (5,591 posts)


TAD DEVINE Still working for Bernie Sanders
Putin asset still working for Bernie Sanders; refuses to deny whether he still works with jailbird Manafort.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/top-bernie-sanders-adviser-named-in-the-evidence-list-for …
4:07 PM - Jul 20, 2018

A Top Bernie Sanders Adviser Is Named In The Evidence List For Paul Manafort’s Trial

An exhibit list released this week in the Mueller investigation cites emails from 2014.
It was previously reported that Tad Devine, a top Sanders strategist, stopped working in Ukraine in 2012. He lied.

A Top Bernie Sanders Adviser Is Named In The Evidence List For Paul Manafort’s Trial
An exhibit list released this week in the Mueller investigation cites emails from 2014. It was previously reported that Tad Devine, a top Sanders strategist, stopped working in Ukraine in 2012.

Emails and documents from Tad Devine, a political operative who served at the highest levels of the Bernie Sanders campaign, could be presented as evidence in the Special Counsel’s Office’s prosecution of Paul Manafort, Donald Trump’s former campaign chair.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/top-bernie-sanders-adviser-named-in-the-evidence-list-for

[George II]

31. This isn't Latest Breaking News, there is no requirement that the article be quoted....

....word for word. I presume that's one of the reasons the link to the column is provided, so everyone can read it for themselves.

[Autumn]

35. Nowhere is it okay to attempt to include a sentence in a published article

that is not put there by the reporter who wrote the piece. Unless it's Fox News. They do it to mislead and obfuscate, those of use who pay attention can catch that trick easily. It's not cool to attempt to pass off one's personal opinion as a part of a reporters published story in a way that attempts to make it read like a part of the story.

[KPN]

27. Did the Buzzfeed article call Devine a "Putin asset"? No, but your OP leads with it. And that ...

is nothing but a theory -- a conspiracy theory imo.

Not to mention you embellished the conspiracy theory further with your statement that it was in
Mueller's finding". Your quote exactly. The evidence list is not a "finding" by any stretch. It's a list of evidence that will be introduced and used in the trial used to support the charges against Manafort, not Devine ... and there is zero indication that Devine is going to be accused or indicted for a crime by Manafort.

[Autumn]

7. The words "He lied." are not in the article either. Those were causally added by the OP

after this paragraph from the article:

"An exhibit list released this week in the Mueller investigation cites emails from 2014. It was previously reported that Tad Devine, a top Sanders strategist, stopped working in Ukraine in 2012.

No sentence containing the words "He lied." in the article as it was
written by Ruby Cramer whose article the poster tampered with. The article then goes on to the next paragraph. Very deceitful thing to do by the poster.

Emails and documents from Tad Devine, a political operative who served at the highest levels of the Bernie Sanders campaign, could be presented as evidence in the Special Counsel’s Office’s prosecution of Paul Manafort, Donald Trump’s former campaign chair.

This is the link to the article: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/top-bernie-sanders-adviser-named-in-the-evidence-list-for

This is from the OP:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016211489

A Top Bernie Sanders Adviser Is Named In The Evidence List For Paul Manafort’s Trial

An exhibit list released this week in the Mueller investigation cites emails from 2014.
It was previously reported that Tad Devine, a top Sanders strategist, stopped working in Ukraine in 2012. He lied.

Notice the sentence with words "He lied." are in what the OP posted but not in the original article. We all know why that was added.

[Wwcd]

9. Tampered!!! HaahaA..oh my. He did lie when he said he cut ties with Manfort after Ukraine.

And NOW Mueller's findings show Devine was a regular in sharing emails & contact with Manafort as late as 2014, which incidently is the same time RU got heavily involved in selecting Trump above all others.

"HE LIED", Is not a lie.

Tampering with evidence?
Nope.
Bye

[Autumn]

11. No you dishonestly added those words to the published article you posted.

You added the sentence "He lied." to the article, the author who wrote the piece did not have that sentence, you added it in your excerpt.

[Wwcd]

13. He did Lie. Proof is in the Manafort emails.

TAD DEVINE LIED.

BYE.

[Autumn]

14. The "He lied" are your own words added to Ruby Cramers published article.

The author of the piece did not write those words. You added that to the paragraph, and bolded everything , hoping no one would notice.

[Wwcd]

15. That is an insulting accusation.

[Autumn]

17. No. It's a fact as evidenced in your OP.

TAD DEVINE Still working for Bernie Sanders
Putin asset still working for Bernie Sanders; refuses to deny whether he still works with jailbird Manafort.

You underlined that part so we know that is your opinion.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/top-bernie-sanders-adviser-named-in-the-evidence-list-for …
4:07 PM - Jul 20, 2018

A Top Bernie Sanders Adviser Is Named In The Evidence List For Paul Manafort’s Trial

An exhibit list released this week in the Mueller investigation cites emails from 2014.
It was previously reported that Tad Devine, a top Sanders strategist, stopped working in Ukraine in 2012. He lied.

You didn't bother to underline your opinion He lied. You just let it flow.

[Wwcd]

19. Oooookaaay.. details details details..too bad Tad didn't pay attention to details instead of LYING!

He's is neck deep in Manafort's KGB associations, & he lies to cover it up.

Why . Why did he Lie about it?

Tad DeVine, the man who's credibility has now dropped to z.e.r.o.

Can't wait for Mueller's next big reveal as to who else Lied.

Thank the gods for Robrrt Mueller

[Autumn]

20. You know what they say. The devil is in the details.

Like when details are made up and included in someones published work by someone for "whatever" reason.

[Wwcd]

23. Kind of like when a Dem candidate shouts "turn the seat RED"! that kind of made-up detail?

It really is all in the details then, isn't it.

Thanks for pointing it out.
I think we've made progress here today.

Later...

[George II]

34. I don't know what details were "made up". Devine said he stopped working with Manafort in 2012....

....and it seems that he was still working with him in 2014. That isn't made up, and it contradicts what Devine said previously, i.e. - he lied.

[Autumn]

36. You'll have to point out where anyone in this thread said that Ruby Cramer the

reporter who wrote the article , "made up" any details. No one has said that. Unless I missed that post? I myself think the reporter Ruby Cramer, wrote a very clear, well balanced and informative article.

[Wwcd]

16. Better? It changes nothing as to the TRUTH of the article.

Devine Lied.

Next question:
What's he covering up ?
Did he think his lie would go unnoticed by Robert Mueller?

Indictments will come to the complicit.
Let the chips fall...

[Autumn]

18. This might help you

https://writingcommons.org/open-text/research-methods-methodologies/integrate-evidence/incorporate-evidence/453-inserting-or-altering-words-in-a-direct-quotation

What punctuation should be used when words are inserted or altered in a direct quotation?

When writers insert or alter words in a direct quotation, square brackets—[ ]—are placed around the change. The brackets, always used in pairs, enclose words intended to clarify meaning, provide a brief explanation, or to help integrate the quote into the writer’s sentence. A common error writers make is to use parentheses in place of brackets.

[Wwcd]

21. I don't see where you may have answered my next question.

Maybe I missed it.


Meeting fam for the afternoon. We can continue our discussion later.

Bye!
Been a pleasure chatting with you.
Thanks

[Autumn]

22. You didn't miss it. I don't discuss politics with some posters.

Just pointing out what you did to someones published work.

[Wwcd]

24. No c'mon now. Sorry you missed the truth of the article, , but it sure made for a fine debate here!

The Truth of the article still remains the truth of Tad Devine's Lie that he had nothing to do with Manafort since their old electioneering days in the Ukraine for Putin.

Proof remains in Manafort's EMAILS.
Imagine that. Its Manafort's EMAILS that'll bust this coup on America's Govt wide open.
Well that & a lot of other data that Mueller has to reveal.

Ha! The EMAILS!!
There's some serious irony in this sordid mess.
Ya think?


Later..really have to be on my way.

Been fun Atumn, thanks!

[Autumn]

25. Unless you've seen the document and emails and know what they contain you have no truth,

just assumptions. And you know what they say about assumptions

[Wwcd]

26. ??? What do they say about assumptions? Never heard of it.

?
What a weird statement.

[KPN]

28. What was his lie? Do you have a quote? Any facts to back up your statement?

[Autumn]

37. One would think that the documents have been made public the way this thread reads.

The only one who knows what is contained in the documents and what they prove or don't prove are Muellers team and the courts. It will come out in their time. Devine's company represents or has represented a lot of Democrats over the years, not just Bernie Sanders.
I did find out that Julian Mulvey was the Creative Director of the Bernie Sanders for President TV advertising.

He did my favorite, America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=2nwRiuh1Cug

[Uncle Joe]

38. I loved that ad

[Autumn]

39. I watch it a couple times a week or more. The joy and enthusiasm lift me up when I get

too overwhelmed with all the nastiness going on.

[KPN]

43. Yes, you would think so.

That was a great ad.

[Power 2 the People]

3. I agree

I remember when Hillary aligned herself with Mark Penn. I knew it was a mistake to have someone that dastardly attached to her campaign. If Devine is implicated in any way Bernie should dump him ASAP.

[Wellstone ruled]

5. Again,a failed MSM event that should have been

reported out. But,if is had a Hillary tie in,you know damn well it would have been reported out.

[Wwcd]

6. He should take Muellers findings seriously & cut the ties to Devine & his company immediately.

We voters have a right & a duty to expect this be dealt with swiftly.

You are correct about Clinton.
I recall that with a Wall Street speech she was condemned to being forever "in the pocket of Wall Street"

This Kremlin link is far more serious & I hope Sanders stands up for his good name and quickly denounces all ties to Devine until Mueller either indicts Devine or clears him.

This is extremely concerning.
Sanders can immediately put the concerns to rest.
Hope he takes this as serious as we all do.

😐

[OnDoutside]

33. It's actually staggering that he didn't cut ties when it first came out. His Ukraine

work should have seen to that. It has to put a question mark over Sanders judgement.

[Wwcd]

40. They never expected the EMAILS to end up in Robert Mueller's hands

They thought they were all safe.

[OnDoutside]

45. Great point.

[More_Cowbell]

10. There are emails to-from Devine-Kilimnick and/or re: Ukraine after 2012

See exhibits 17-19

I assumed that since the OP's "he lied" was before the "snip," that it was OP's own opinion. I agree that we need to distinguish our opinions from what we snip. Personally, I wouldn't have bolded both my opinion and the snippet. But then I haven't been brave enough to post anything yet!

[Wwcd]

12. That is good advice to be aware of. Truth is, Tad did Lie, & both

Manafort & Kilimnick are some awfully heavy Kremlin cronies to be trying to untangle oneself from.
The proof is right there for the world to see.
Mueller will blow the lid off the whole shebang in due time.

Only wish Bernie would denounce his current ties to that Manafort powder keg.
He could emerge quite a leader for this country rather than fight for legitimacy under this Kremlin cloud of suspicion.

He owes it to himself, his constituents & his country.

[KPN]

29. From Webster's:

Definition of truth
plural truths play ˈtrüt͟hz, ˈtrüths
1 a (1) : the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality
(2) : the state of being the case : fact
(3) often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality
b : a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true

[George II]

30. I find this mindboggling. There are plenty of dots out there now that can easily be connected.

[OnDoutside]

32. If Devine is dirty, Rick Gates will know that, and will have told Mueller.

[Wwcd]

41. That is the truth. Gates talked. Mueller already knows the content of those emails

Seems like an aweful lot of correspondence passed from Manafort to TAD.

Mueller already knows what those conversations were about.
He already has read the EMAILS.
That's why he made public the list

He knows what was discussed as the campaigns were just being formed.
That is a timeline that sets the stage for the rest of the campaign.

Will be an interesting moment when Robert Mueller pulls the veils from the faces.

[Hortensis]

42. Sanders has admitted he knew the Kremlin was promoting

him for months in 2015 and 2016. But he kept quiet about it. Russia continues to promote his dissension by greatly augmenting those of his messages they find helpful in their war against the Democratic Party.

This all only came out when revealed by others. Sanders did NOT inform the nation of or denounce Russia's involvement on his behalf. He also did not warn his supporters of the deluge of toxic Kool-Aid the Kremlin was and is aiming at them specifically and apparently often by name, imo a major betrayal of all who trusted him.

[Wwcd]

44. Thank You 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

There's a reason Mueller released the Manafort to DeVine Emails to the public this last week.

Mueller does nothing for personal nor political reasons.
He has read what all those emails revealed.

This is serious shite folks.

[Gothmog]

47. K&R

[ehrnst]

48. He seems to keep people around longer than he should. (nt)

[Scurrilous]

49. K&R