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Judi Lynn

(161,408 posts)
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:50 AM Aug 2018

My professor canceled office hours because KU allows concealed carry, says he 'no longer feels safe'


VICTORIA SNITSAR - UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS •AUGUST 24, 2018

My jaw dropped recently as I read the nine-page syllabus for an online history class I enrolled in for the fall semester at the University of Kansas. Two full pages of the document include arguments against the Second Amendment and chides students who support the university’s concealed carry policy or take advantage of it.

To be clear, this class is on the history of the Japanese Samurai and has nothing to do with U.S. history or the Second Amendment.

What’s more, Professor Eric Rath of the History and East Asian Studies departments also informs students in the syllabus: “With guns allowed on campus, I no longer feel safe having visitors in my office; so instead of in person office hours, I am available for consultation via email or Skype on the hours indicated above and by appointment. Should you wish to meet in person, the appointment will be at a secure or public location of my choosing, but not my office. Please read the statement about concealed weapons at the end of the syllabus.”

. . .

The two-page statement includes data that aims to paint the use of guns in a negative light, details provisos of the policy at KU that allows students and faculty to carry concealed weapons on campus, and states “I request that you not bring firearms to class or wherever I am present.”

More:
https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/48223/

At least there's one person with a conscience left in Kansas.
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My professor canceled office hours because KU allows concealed carry, says he 'no longer feels safe' (Original Post) Judi Lynn Aug 2018 OP
I used to teach at KU lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #1
There will never be an upside to guns at K.U. Unbelievable. It's a good place to avoid now. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2018 #6
There's just no upside for firearms possession. I've quit going to our church over it. marble falls Aug 2018 #11
Sounds like a terrifying place fescuerescue Aug 2018 #2
That would be a wise move. Who needs that nonsense, and outlandish, idiotic threat every day? n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2018 #7
I was a professor at KU Med for 30 years. greymattermom Aug 2018 #3
This is not going to end well. Had not heard this concealed carry extended to the Medical Center. Judi Lynn Aug 2018 #5
what years? My Brother in Law was a medical student as KU Med in the early 1970s lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #9
From the relevant Kansas law: Girard442 Aug 2018 #4
Infuriating. Completely without conscience. Almost could make one sick even thinking about it. Judi Lynn Aug 2018 #8
college fix is a right wing website alp227 Aug 2018 #10
Had no idea. I thought the student who wrote the article was just a little looney. Judi Lynn Aug 2018 #14
I said I would retire if they allowed concealed carry on our campuses. sinkingfeeling Aug 2018 #12
What would have stopped anyone before from bringing a gun to office hours? tammywammy Aug 2018 #13
You're supposed to simply accept the moral panic mongering without asking awkward questions... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2018 #15

lapfog_1

(29,540 posts)
1. I used to teach at KU
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:02 AM
Aug 2018

I would have to agree with your professor. Office hours for in person visits cancelled... if you need help call or email or text.

That would be my policy in such an insane place (that KU, sadly, has become).

greymattermom

(5,779 posts)
3. I was a professor at KU Med for 30 years.
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:22 AM
Aug 2018

Some of the classrooms are in the hospital, and, last I heard, they are going to allow concealed carry in the hospital. I'm so glad I retired before this started.

Judi Lynn

(161,408 posts)
5. This is not going to end well. Had not heard this concealed carry extended to the Medical Center.
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:54 AM
Aug 2018

That is a place where the traffic could magnify any stupid errors beyond comprehension.

Horrible, goddawful decision.

Thank you for your comments.

lapfog_1

(29,540 posts)
9. what years? My Brother in Law was a medical student as KU Med in the early 1970s
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 02:00 AM
Aug 2018

don't know the exact years... but say 1968 to 1970?

That was in KC Kan.. and you had to worry about the patients in the neighborhood bringing guns to the ER, as I recall.

Girard442

(6,211 posts)
4. From the relevant Kansas law:
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:34 AM
Aug 2018
75-7c20.?Concealed handguns in public buildings; when prohibited; public buildings exempted; definitions. (a) The carrying of a concealed handgun shall not be prohibited in any state or municipal building unless such building has adequate security measures to ensure that no weapons are permitted to be carried into such building and the building is conspicuously posted in accordance with K.S.A. 2015 Supp. 75-7c10, and amendments thereto.


http://www.kslegislature.org/li_2016/b2015_16/statute/075_000_0000_chapter/075_007c_0000_article/075_007c_0020_section/075_007c_0020_k/

Really cute how they've carved out a nice exemption that conveniently applies to the legislature and probably most state offices.

On edit: If you read way down, you see they specifically exempt the state capitol. Way to go guys. Really took a principled stand there.

Judi Lynn

(161,408 posts)
8. Infuriating. Completely without conscience. Almost could make one sick even thinking about it.
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:59 AM
Aug 2018

If they can't live with their decisions themselves, why should they force them upon people who have no choice whatsoever.

Thank you for the information.

Judi Lynn

(161,408 posts)
14. Had no idea. I thought the student who wrote the article was just a little looney.
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 03:17 PM
Aug 2018

I posted it to highlight the professor who seemed to be exceptional, and well-balanced in an area which had been corrupted by idiots.

I won't expect to be using any articles from "College Fix" again. Hadn't heard of it until last night when I saw the article. Thanks for the info.

sinkingfeeling

(51,812 posts)
12. I said I would retire if they allowed concealed carry on our campuses.
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 09:39 AM
Aug 2018

The GOP legislature did and I retired.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
13. What would have stopped anyone before from bringing a gun to office hours?
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:30 PM
Aug 2018

Did they previously have metal detectors at all building entrances? If a student was upset and wanted to shoot him, being a gun free zone wouldn't have stopped that.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
15. You're supposed to simply accept the moral panic mongering without asking awkward questions...
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 10:46 PM
Aug 2018

...or looking at a Kansas City Star article linked in the original article, for that matter:

https://www.kansascity.com/news/article203516929.html


After concealed carry allowed on campus, KU hired more safety officers and crime fell

While the national debate over arming teachers heats up, the University of Kansas — where this year students and faculty can carry concealed weapons on campus — reports that crime there is down.

In a report released late last week, KU Public Safety officials said crime on the Lawrence campus declined 13 percent from 2016 to 2017. In the first six months of permitted concealed guns on campus, there have been no criminal weapons violations.

KU Public Safety attributes the drop in crime to steps the university took to improve campus security after the legalization of concealed carry. Three additional police officers and three security officers were hired.



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