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Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:09 AM

Some guy from the WSJ does not like that PhD Jill Biden is called Dr Biden

Pt #1 in GD
source-https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-there-a-doctor-in-the-white-house-not-if-you-need-an-m-d-11607727380

title-Is There a Doctor in the White House? Not if You Need an M.D.
Jill Biden should think about dropping the honorific, which feels fraudulent, even comic.


snip-"At Northwestern, recent honorary-degree recipients and commencement speakers have included Stephen Colbert and Seth Davis. I sent a complaining email to the school’s president about the low quality of such men as academic honorands, with the result that the following year the commencement speaker and honorand was Billie Jean King —who, with the graduating members of the school’s women’s tennis team, hit tennis balls out to the audience of graduating students and the parents who had paid $70,000 a year for their university education, or perhaps I should say for their “credential.”

Political correctness has put paid to any true honor an honorary doctorate may once have possessed. If you are ever looking for a simile to denote rarity, try “rarer than a contemporary university honorary-degree list not containing an African-American woman.” Then there are all those honorary degrees bestowed on Bill Cosby, Charlie Rose and others who, owing to their proven or alleged sexual predations, have had to be rescinded. Between the honorary degrees given to billionaires, the falsely intelligent, entertainers and the politically correct, just about all honor has been drained from honorary doctorates.

As for your Ed.D., Madame First Lady, hard-earned though it may have been, please consider stowing it, at least in public, at least for now. Forget the small thrill of being Dr. Jill, and settle for the larger thrill of living for the next four years in the best public housing in the world as First Lady Jill Biden."


More at source, which is NOT paywalled.




Part 1-https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14698666


edited to include- Biden later returned to school for her doctoral degree, studying under her birth name, Jill Jacobs.[35] In January 2007, at age 55, she received a Doctor of Education (Ed.D.) in educational leadership from the University of Delaware.[1][44][45][46] Her dissertation, Student Retention at the Community College: Meeting Students' Needs, was published under the name Jill Jacobs-Biden.

Jill Bidens wiki page, more info there

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Reply Some guy from the WSJ does not like that PhD Jill Biden is called Dr Biden (Original post)
irisblue Dec 2020 OP
samnsara Dec 2020 #1
patricia92243 Dec 2020 #2
Lochloosa Dec 2020 #3
Trueblue Texan Dec 2020 #4
irisblue Dec 2020 #6
CurtEastPoint Dec 2020 #9
luv2fly Dec 2020 #5
arlyellowdog Dec 2020 #7
frazzled Dec 2020 #8
The Genealogist Dec 2020 #10
MyOwnPeace Dec 2020 #18
The Genealogist Dec 2020 #19
snowybirdie Dec 2020 #11
Freedomofspeech Dec 2020 #12
Delarage Dec 2020 #13
bottomofthehill Dec 2020 #14
2naSalit Dec 2020 #15
irisblue Dec 2020 #16
delisen Dec 2020 #17
Aristus Dec 2020 #20
irisblue Dec 2020 #21
usajumpedtheshark Dec 2020 #22
Skittles Dec 2020 #23

Response to irisblue (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:16 AM

1. in college i always called my profs Dr

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Response to irisblue (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:17 AM

2. Asinine!

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Response to irisblue (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:21 AM

3. First Lady Dr. Jill Biden has a nice ring to it.

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Response to irisblue (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:31 AM

4. But her PhD is not honorary, is it?

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:39 AM

6. No, it's earned.

I cannot open the 2007 OCLC article on this phone.

But here is another source-https://www.chronicle.com/article/how-do-you-retain-community-college-students-jill-biden-has-a-dissertation-for-that

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:58 AM

9. writer said drop the HONORIFIC, 'Doctor'

These are titles like Rev., Bishop, Chancellor, etc.

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Response to irisblue (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:35 AM

5. Earned and honorary are two completely different things

It's ridiculous to bring them up in the same article. Earned degrees demonstrate the will to put in the work, honorary degrees simply mean you have achieved some level of notoriety. Honorary degrees are pretty stupid.

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Response to irisblue (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:55 AM

7. Dr. Biden

My kids went to public universities in Virginia. In order to graduate sooner, they also took courses at Northern Virginia Community College when they were home for summer. I was always so impressed with the faculty at NOVA. All of their professors, whether at Virginia, Virginia Tech, or NOVA, were addressed as doctor because they were doctors. And, yes, this post is to brag that my kids went to Dr. Biden’s school, NOVA!

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Response to irisblue (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:57 AM

8. Well, this is a stupid argument

As pointed out, her doctorate isn’t honorary, and none of the honorees mentioned are called doctors anyway.

On the other hand, it’s pretty rare in the academic world for professors to be called doctor these days. At some Ivy League schools the proper form of address is Mr. or Ms. More generally, it’s Professor. To my spouse, who has a Ph.D and is a full professor, his students address him by his first name. Except the students from Asia, who don’t feel comfortable doing that and use “Professor X.”

Honestly, it’s a regional and personal choice as to what you call yourself. And really, who cares.

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Response to irisblue (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:04 AM

10. "consider stowing it, at least in public, at least for now."

What I hear: "now now little lady, you get into that kitchen and make your husband a nice sandwich, before he paddles you for getting sassy."

As the grandson of a woman who worked her ass off to earn a PhD in education, I find this infuriating. If my grandpa had shot off his mouth and told her to serve him (he'd never have done so), he'd have wished he was never born.

Jill Biden earned the title of "Dr." the same way my grandmother did. Through hard work, and fending off bullshit from sexist assholes at every turn. The sexist crap is unacceptable.

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Response to The Genealogist (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:09 AM

18. Indeed..............

the echoes of "barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen" still can be heard, can't they?
Funny how we didn't hear them addressing any "concerns" about the "soon-to-be-moving" First Lady, did we?

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:33 AM

19. Sadly, we did not hear much concern

I guess trotting about in stiletto heels, visiting children in cages while wearing attire that states she doesn't care is jim-dandy behavior for a full grown woman.

I have no doubt that Jill Biden will be dealt as much hate as Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama were. So many men fear the presence of strong, educated, active women in public life.

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Response to irisblue (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:06 AM

11. Here we go again

The repubs always find a way to try and demean any Democrats in power. They have nothing on this stellar woman, so they stoop to this b.s.

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Response to irisblue (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:09 AM

12. So this is all they have?

My husband has a Ed.D. and when he was a Superintendent of the district everyone referred to him as Dr. Or Doc. He worked very hard to earn that degree, as Jill Biden did. What a disgrace that they have to go after her for being a well educated woman. I bet she kept her clothes on the whole time, too.

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Response to irisblue (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:25 AM

13. He probably called Gorka

"Dr. Gorka"

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Response to Delarage (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:33 AM

14. And Conde

Dr Rice

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Response to irisblue (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 10:13 AM

15. What a condescending POS!!!

Fuck him. How dare he call her "kiddo"? WTF?

Something tells me he needs to go to "How not to be an overt misogynist" classes for the rest of his miserable life.


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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 10:37 AM

16. Dismissive as hell

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Response to irisblue (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 10:44 AM

17. Total sexism. First Lady means "wife of. .or " mrs"

So Jill Biden should stop being a person and play a patriarchal role - a symbol? An earned academic degree for a woman is of no account and should be hidden?

The title of First Lady needs to be retired. It is obsolete in a democracy. This is the perfect time-after the degrading and degraded actions of Melania Trump.

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Response to irisblue (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:51 AM

20. Ah yes, the petty resentments towards the accomplished

by the idiots who need extensive coaching to spell their names correctly on the first try.

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Response to irisblue (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:47 PM

21. Epsteins' wiki has been updated.

In December 2020, he wrote an article for the Wall Street Journal in which he attacked Dr. Jill Biden for using the academic and professional title she had earned as a Doctor of Education,[18] an article that was widely criticized by other academics and writers for being inaccurate[19] [20] and disrespectful of women.[21] Benjamin Wittes of the Brookings Institution criticized the piece, saying "Translation of this piece: 'I have status anxiety and I’m playing it out by attacking a woman for using the title Dr.—which she is fully entitled to use.'"[22]



Epstein & the the WSJ apparently did not expect such a blow back on such misogyny so fast

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Response to irisblue (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:09 PM

22. Similar to Dr. Biden, I earned an EdD in Educational Administration and my dissertation

was about student flow within a state public university system - retention, transfer, and drop outs. While the Ed.D. is not the same as a Ph.D., it is an appropriate degree for individuals in the field of education. To demean Dr. Biden's use of a title that she earned is to demean all of the other Americans who proudly hold such degrees. By personal choice, I use the title when I am engaged in official correspondence or activities and not on an informal basis.

I must confess, however, my degree failed to impress one of my sons. I earned my degree when he was in elementary school and I tried to explain to him what I had accomplished when he attended my graduation. The following year, he introduced my to a newly acquired friend by saying, "This is my dad. He's a doctor but not the useful kind." Ouch!

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Response to irisblue (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:43 PM

23. I find "kiddo" more offensive than arguing about "Dr"

the guy is just a misogynist prick

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