A Quick Class on Corporate Personhood...
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Let's start with my thesis: Corporate Personhood has NEVER been legally proven in court.
Now here's my evidence:
The original court case, San Mateo County v. Southern Pacific Rail Road in 1886, was the first to declare that corporations were people.
The problem is that it was never part of the original decision. It was just a headnote added by a court clerk.
Nonetheless, the case is used as a precedent in almost every case challenging corporate personhood.
FROM: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/history-corporate-personhood
We have the likes of former U.S. Senator Roscoe Conkling to thank for the extension of Equal Protection to corporations. Conkling helped draft the 14th Amendment. He then left the Senate to become a lawyer. His Gilded Age law practice was going so swimmingly that Conkling turned down a seat on the Supreme Court not once, but twice.
Conkling argued to the Supreme Court in San Mateo County v. Southern Pacific Rail Road that the 14th Amendment is not limited to natural persons. In 1882, he produced a journal that seemed to show that the Joint Congressional Committee that drafted the amendment vacillated between using citizen and person and the drafters chose person specifically to cover corporations. According to historian Howard Jay Graham, [t]his part of Conklings argument was a deliberate, brazen forgery.
As Thom Hartmann notes the Supreme Court embraced Conklings reading of the 14th Amendment in a headnote in 1886 in Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Rail Road: Before argument, Mr. Chief Justice Waite said: The Court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution which forbids a state to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws applies to these corporations. We are all of opinion that it does. This was not part of the formal opinion. But the damage was done. Later cases uncritically cited the headnote as if it had been part of the case.
Are corporations people?
I don't think they are because they can't vote in elections, but other folks here have added that they also can't be arrested or executed in either the state of Texas or Florida.
I'd like to see that last one, but what do you think?
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SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)AmyStrange
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SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,785 posts)I refuse to believe corporations are people until Texas executes one.
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AmyStrange
(7,989 posts)Cicada
(4,533 posts)If the corporation is not a person is it protected by the bill of rights?
AmyStrange
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The writers ARE people and have first amendment rights, and even though their work can be transferred to the NYT's entity, it's important to note that the first amendment only protects them from government intervention.
The NYT can still be sued for libel.
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Cicada
(4,533 posts)For things the writers write? The corporation can be ordered to not distribute papers revealing classified information? I think corporations have rights too, and denying that corporations are people will limit our rights. Does Kaiser have a constitutional right to spend money for abortions?
AmyStrange
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I'm not against what you're saying, but what I am against is the Citizen's United ruling that gave them the right to sway elections with corporate money... just because they're considered people.
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HariSeldon
(455 posts)"Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;...."
So the press itself is protected by the First Amendment.
Other concerns (e.g. legality of a corporation paying for an abortion) should certainly be addressed if Congress enacts a law explicitly denying the personhood of corporations with regard to Constituional rights. This might be accomplished under the auspices of the Fourteenth Amendment and/or the Commerce Clause.