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AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 01:03 AM Jan 2021

A Quick Class on Corporate Personhood...

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Let's start with my thesis: Corporate Personhood has NEVER been legally proven in court.

Now here's my evidence:


The original court case, San Mateo County v. Southern Pacific Rail Road in 1886, was the first to declare that corporations were people.

The problem is that it was never part of the original decision. It was just a headnote added by a court clerk.

Nonetheless, the case is used as a precedent in almost every case challenging corporate personhood.

FROM: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/history-corporate-personhood

The 14th Amendment, adopted after the Civil War in 1868 to grant emancipated slaves full citizenship, states, “No state shall ... deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person ... the equal protection of the laws.”

We have the likes of former U.S. Senator Roscoe Conkling to thank for the extension of Equal Protection to corporations. Conkling helped draft the 14th Amendment. He then left the Senate to become a lawyer. His Gilded Age law practice was going so swimmingly that Conkling turned down a seat on the Supreme Court not once, but twice.

Conkling argued to the Supreme Court in San Mateo County v. Southern Pacific Rail Road that the 14th Amendment is not limited to natural persons. In 1882, he produced a journal that seemed to show that the Joint Congressional Committee that drafted the amendment vacillated between using “citizen” and “person” and the drafters chose person specifically to cover corporations. According to historian Howard Jay Graham, “[t]his part of Conkling’s argument was a deliberate, brazen forgery.”

As Thom Hartmann notes the Supreme Court embraced Conkling’s reading of the 14th Amendment in a headnote in 1886 in Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Rail Road: “Before argument, Mr. Chief Justice Waite said: ‘The Court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution which forbids a state to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws applies to these corporations. We are all of opinion that it does.’” This was not part of the formal opinion. But the damage was done. Later cases uncritically cited the headnote as if it had been part of the case.



Are corporations people?

I don't think they are because they can't vote in elections, but other folks here have added that they also can't be arrested or executed in either the state of Texas or Florida.

I'd like to see that last one, but what do you think?
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A Quick Class on Corporate Personhood... (Original Post) AmyStrange Jan 2021 OP
Ty, Amy! SheltieLover Jan 2021 #1
YVW AmyStrange Jan 2021 #2
... SheltieLover Jan 2021 #3
I refuse to believe corporations are people until Texas executes one. . keithbvadu2 Jan 2021 #4
Good one AmyStrange Jan 2021 #7
The New York Times has no first amendment rights? Cicada Jan 2021 #5
The writers have it AmyStrange Jan 2021 #6
If only the writers have a first amendment right then the Corp can be fined a billion dollars? Cicada Jan 2021 #8
Kick and thank you AmyStrange Jan 2021 #9
The wording of the First Amendment HariSeldon Jan 2021 #10
Thank you and welcome to the DU AmyStrange Jan 2021 #11

keithbvadu2

(36,785 posts)
4. I refuse to believe corporations are people until Texas executes one. .
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 01:40 AM
Jan 2021

I refuse to believe corporations are people until Texas executes one.
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Cicada

(4,533 posts)
5. The New York Times has no first amendment rights?
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 01:41 AM
Jan 2021

If the corporation is not a person is it protected by the bill of rights?

 

AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
6. The writers have it
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 01:42 AM
Jan 2021

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The writers ARE people and have first amendment rights, and even though their work can be transferred to the NYT's entity, it's important to note that the first amendment only protects them from government intervention.

The NYT can still be sued for libel.
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Cicada

(4,533 posts)
8. If only the writers have a first amendment right then the Corp can be fined a billion dollars?
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 01:52 AM
Jan 2021

For things the writers write? The corporation can be ordered to not distribute papers revealing classified information? I think corporations have rights too, and denying that corporations are people will limit our rights. Does Kaiser have a constitutional right to spend money for abortions?

 

AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
9. Kick and thank you
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 01:53 AM
Jan 2021

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I'm not against what you're saying, but what I am against is the Citizen's United ruling that gave them the right to sway elections with corporate money... just because they're considered people.
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HariSeldon

(455 posts)
10. The wording of the First Amendment
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 10:59 AM
Jan 2021
"Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;...."


So the press itself is protected by the First Amendment.

Other concerns (e.g. legality of a corporation paying for an abortion) should certainly be addressed if Congress enacts a law explicitly denying the personhood of corporations with regard to Constituional rights. This might be accomplished under the auspices of the Fourteenth Amendment and/or the Commerce Clause.
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