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yaesu

(8,020 posts)
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 01:00 PM Feb 2021

The Real Story of the Covid Catastrophe is Larger Than You Know by Thom Hartmann

Our planet is screaming a message at us, and Covid is part of that communication.The death of nature and the appearance of Covid are all part of the same thing.

I’ll never forget the day the trucker called into my radio show. It was at least a decade ago, and he identified himself as a long-haul trucker who regularly ran a coast-to-coast route from the southeast to the Pacific Northwest dozens of times a year.

“Used to be when I was driving through the southern part of the Midwest like I am right now,” he said, “I’d have to stop every few hours to clean the bugs off my windshield. It’s been three days since I’ve had to clean bugs off my windshield on this trip. There’s something spooky going on out here.”

The phone lines lit up. People from Maine to California, from Florida to Washington state shared their stories of the vanishing insects where they lived. Multiple long-haul truckers listening on SiriusXM had similar stories.



https://thomhartmann.medium.com/the-real-story-of-the-covid-catastrophe-is-larger-than-you-know-71f386bd21a2

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The Real Story of the Covid Catastrophe is Larger Than You Know by Thom Hartmann (Original Post) yaesu Feb 2021 OP
It's been going on for a long time, gab13by13 Feb 2021 #1
Excellent article! burrowowl Feb 2021 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Feb 2021 #3
Yup. Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #21
The 1930's "shelter belt" is still on my grandparents' South Dakota farm. SharonAnn Feb 2021 #32
Well worth a full read. Thanks. erronis Feb 2021 #4
yw 👍 I have learned a lot from Thom over a Decade of listening to his daily 12pmest-3pm show yaesu Feb 2021 #22
Yes, it's very noticeable and disrutbing relayerbob Feb 2021 #5
Growing up in 60s and 70s all we talked about was "Zero Population Growth", rickyhall Feb 2021 #6
our attempts to make a better life are now dismissed with "OK Boomer" DBoon Feb 2021 #8
Depressing, ain't it. rickyhall Feb 2021 #11
+1 Ferrets are Cool Feb 2021 #12
There is no doubt in my mind that wnylib Feb 2021 #7
Here's an article on why Lyme disease got so prevalent Jetheels Feb 2021 #10
I don't have the background to challenge wnylib Feb 2021 #29
Here's a book on Lyme. I read the reviews only. Native Americans also lived around wild turkeys Jetheels Feb 2021 #31
Read Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring." Bo Zarts Feb 2021 #9
But, we didn't learn the lesson. BarbD Feb 2021 #15
Love me some Thom Ferrets are Cool Feb 2021 #13
When I was a kid in Denver DENVERPOPS Feb 2021 #14
na. mother nature doesnt care if the earth is a paradise or a slag heap. it should matter to us. bullimiami Feb 2021 #18
That's what people really need to realize. BComplex Feb 2021 #20
Whose Garden Was This? keithhs28 Feb 2021 #25
We've lived our entire lives in the "fuck around" stage... movingviolation Feb 2021 #16
This yaesu Feb 2021 #23
I was in Atlanta for a week in 2009. Delmette2.0 Feb 2021 #17
As Thom would say, you are spot on! nt yaesu Feb 2021 #24
Oh, thank you. Delmette2.0 Feb 2021 #30
This is an excellent article by Thom Hartmann. Wow. BComplex Feb 2021 #19
100% right. Snackshack Feb 2021 #26
Check out Tom's Hidden History series of books... RobertDevereaux Feb 2021 #27
the planet is trying to rid itself of the human infestation. we don't do lawn care. pansypoo53219 Feb 2021 #28
It isn't the planet. It is us. Nature doesn't commit suicide to eradicate humans, we do. Martin68 Feb 2021 #34
The Midwest is used to grow vast monocultures of food crops that are treated with tons of deadly Martin68 Feb 2021 #33

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
1. It's been going on for a long time,
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 01:37 PM
Feb 2021

I remember one of my old albums from the 70's by Johnny Mayall. He had a song called "nature's disappearing," "soon the dumps will be to your front door."

Response to yaesu (Original post)

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
21. Yup.
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 03:33 PM
Feb 2021

Our (Nebraska) tree claims are still standing, but they are the only one for miles and miles.

SharonAnn

(13,772 posts)
32. The 1930's "shelter belt" is still on my grandparents' South Dakota farm.
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 06:10 PM
Feb 2021

It is still in the family and the family knows the story about how close that generation was to starvation and the difference when the Agriculture dept under Roosevelt planted the shelter belts on the farm.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
22. yw 👍 I have learned a lot from Thom over a Decade of listening to his daily 12pmest-3pm show
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 03:39 PM
Feb 2021

Mon-Fri. I like to watch the Thom Hartmann show on his youtube stream because of the lively chat during the show. He's also on FSTV, sirius radio & lots of radio stations. I can receive his broadcast here on AM 820 Chicago, which has all the progressive shows. We need more stations like that to push back against all the RW radio stations.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
6. Growing up in 60s and 70s all we talked about was "Zero Population Growth",
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 02:41 PM
Feb 2021

then we suddenly weren't. My grandparents had 4 kids, my parents had 3, my sister had 2, my brother & I had 1 each. My daughter had 5 and her 1st cousin had 6. It's like we've lost our fucking minds, determined to destroy ourselves. I just don't get it. My daughter tells me I'm just an old hippy like I'm wrong to give a shit. Doesn't make any sense.

DBoon

(22,366 posts)
8. our attempts to make a better life are now dismissed with "OK Boomer"
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 02:48 PM
Feb 2021

Our inability to overcome the mighty obstacles of power and corruption are met with "you failed, Boomers"

wnylib

(21,449 posts)
7. There is no doubt in my mind that
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 02:46 PM
Feb 2021

overprocssing of food is damaging our health and the health of the plants and animals on earth. The chemicals and plastics alone have a devastating effect on all life - human, plant, animal.

But I do not get the connection to viral diseases like covid, or to other diseases like the insect-born lyme disease. Our ancestors thousands of years ago lived lives that were much closer to wild animals and insects, due to things like hunting and living in thatched huts where insects and vermin abounded.

Viruses are not even alive. They are inanimate pieces of RNA and DNA that require a living host to replicate by invading and using our cells. Our distant ancestors also handled the blood and flesh of wild animals that they killed, skinned, drained of blood, and prepared for eating, whether raw or cooked.

We know that they encountered viruses, too, because DNA studies show that some Neanderthal DNA passed down to us had evolved as protection against certain types of viruses.

So, although I agree that we are severely damaging the planet, I do not see a connection betwern that and the development of viral diseases. I do see a connection between our modern lives and the ability of a virus to spread to humans around the world, due to our frequent travel and ability to carry something to the opposite side of the earth in a matter of hours. But that is a result of modern travel. It spreads disease but does not cause it.

wnylib

(21,449 posts)
29. I don't have the background to challenge
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:02 PM
Feb 2021

Yale researchers, but the article does raise some questions for me.

The bacterium for Lyme disease existed in North America 60,000 years ago, 35,000 years before Native Americans arrived in North America. It can be carried by birds and small animals. The article states that info. So didn't the bacterium have a very long time to expand via deer, ticks, birds, and small mammals, before our modern era?

Native Americans of the northeastern part of North America depended heavily on deer for meat and for hides to make clothing, and to make containers from the skins. So they handled freshly killed deer often. Wouldn't they have experienced infection with Lyme disease?

Native Americans also lived in small villages in the forests, in close proximity to birds and small mammals, which they trapped. Wouldn't they have been exposed to infection?

The article says that the reduced size of forests, and the truncation of them as people cleared lands for homes reduced the habitats for deer. It also says that the wolf population decreased so that deer lacked natural predators to keep their population down. But wouldn't a decreased deer habitat also cause a reduction in the deer population? Also, wolves were intentionally killed off in some areas to protect livestock, but in other areas, they moved to be farther away from humans. Wouldn't relocated wolves have shared the available deer habitats with them?

In the end, I'm not sure that it is necessarily our modern lives that have caused Lyme disease to spread among people. The bacterium has had several thousand years to grow and evolve, and to be spread by birds and small mammals. One factor of our lives not mentioned in the article is that the tick can be carried to people by pets that encounter the tick outdoors.

Lyme disease is also often undiagnosed or misdiagnosed even today. But, even so, it is modern medicine that has enabled us to recognize it. It might have existed in people long before now, but not identified by source and cause.


 

Jetheels

(991 posts)
31. Here's a book on Lyme. I read the reviews only. Native Americans also lived around wild turkeys
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 04:57 PM
Feb 2021

and other animals that ate ticks. Also, the author believes that deer are not the only animal spreading Lyme, but it’s the rodents.

https://www.amazon.com/Lyme-Disease-Ecology-Complex-System/dp/0195388127

That book is kind of expensive though, and for me I mostly only read audio books.....
Here’s an article that author wrote, talks about how there used to be a much different landscape of trees, which supported animals who kept rodent population down.


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180709132727.htm

DENVERPOPS

(8,820 posts)
14. When I was a kid in Denver
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 03:04 PM
Feb 2021

we could go to any vacant lot in the city and catch a "horny toad" to keep as a pet. We could go to any pond and catch frogs and tadpoles.

I haven't seen any of these in over forty years in Denver or while hiking in the surrounding open space......

I think these abnormal weather events and the Covid are Mother Nature saying:

You are destroying MY planet, so I am coming after you...................

bullimiami

(13,090 posts)
18. na. mother nature doesnt care if the earth is a paradise or a slag heap. it should matter to us.
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 03:09 PM
Feb 2021

mother nature will just move on evolving the new environment. with or without us.

keithhs28

(45 posts)
25. Whose Garden Was This?
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 03:46 PM
Feb 2021


'Tell me again, I need to know
The forests had trees, the meadows were green
The oceans were blue and birds really flew
Can you swear that was true?'

-Tom Paxton

movingviolation

(310 posts)
16. We've lived our entire lives in the "fuck around" stage...
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 03:05 PM
Feb 2021

Now we get to live in the "and find out" stage.

Delmette2.0

(4,165 posts)
17. I was in Atlanta for a week in 2009.
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 03:07 PM
Feb 2021

I am very use to bugs and birds just about all year round. In Atlanta I first noticed the absence of bugs of any kind. Then I noticed that there were no birds. The two go hand and in hand. If we poison the bugs, we poison the birds. When the bugs are gone the birds won't come around.

I'm no expert, just a country girl with a bit of common sense.






Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
26. 100% right.
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 03:51 PM
Feb 2021

Unfortunately I think we are well beyond being able to do anything to avoid the change in our environment that is already coming. Today we are at 416.33ppm of CO2 in our atmosphere. Temp will eventually catch up to the CO2 level as it always has and the planet will be vastly changed. We will either learn to adapt or we won’t.

RobertDevereaux

(1,857 posts)
27. Check out Tom's Hidden History series of books...
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 03:59 PM
Feb 2021
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=thom+hartmann+hidden+history+series&crid=1XUNBH6MFYYAK&sprefix=Hartmann+hidden%2Caps%2C213&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_2_15

From the Publisher
The Thom Hartmann Hidden History Series
The Hidden History Series includes ten paramount and timely books that break down the biggest obstacles of today, placing them in historic context and providing real, tangible calls to action both for individuals and society at large. Each book concisely addresses these pressing current issues and offers a set of solutions with “roadmaps” for individuals and communities to follow to create a more equitable and prosperous economy and a safer, more just society for all.

Thom lays out the ways in which inequality in America has shifted over the last 50 years and identify a handful of sensical, powerful solutions that address these issues at different levels, such as getting money out of politics, addressing social despair and economic inequality, strengthening democratic institutions of governance, and fighting fear.

Martin68

(22,800 posts)
33. The Midwest is used to grow vast monocultures of food crops that are treated with tons of deadly
Sat Feb 27, 2021, 07:16 PM
Feb 2021

insecticides, fungicides, and herbicides that inevitably spread in the air and water. Those bugs are not only a vital part of the food chain - they are also the proverbial canary in the coal mine.

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