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appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:02 PM Aug 2021

CDC Only Tracks A Fraction of Breakthru Covid Infections In The Vaccinated, Even As Cases Surge



- May 1 decision by the CDC to only track breakthrough infections that lead to hospitalization or death has left the nation with a muddled understanding of COVID-19’s impact on the vaccinated. ProPublica, Aug. 20, 2021. - Ed.

Meggan Ingram was fully vaccinated when she tested positive for COVID-19 early this month. The 37-year-old’s fever had spiked to 103 and her breath was coming in ragged bursts when an ambulance rushed her to an emergency room in Pasco, Washington, on Aug. 10. For 3 hours she was given oxygen and intravenous steroids, but she was ultimately sent home without being admitted. Seven people in her house have now tested positive. Five were fully vaccinated and 2 of the children are too young to get a vaccine.

As the pandemic enters a critical new phase, public health authorities continue to lack data on crucial questions, just as they did when COVID-19 first tore through the U.S. in spring 2020. Today there remains no full understanding on how the aggressively contagious delta variant spreads among the nearly 200 million partially or fully vaccinated Americans like Ingram, or on how many are getting sick. The nation is flying blind yet again, critics say, because on May 1 of this year - as the new variant found a foothold in the U.S. - the CDC mostly stopped tracking COVID-19 in vaccinated people, also known as breakthrough cases, unless the illness was severe enough to cause hospitalization or death.

Individual states now set their own criteria for collecting data on breakthrough cases, resulting in a muddled grasp of COVID-19’s impact, leaving experts in the dark as to the true number of infections among the vaccinated, whether or not vaccinated people can develop long-haul illness, and the risks to unvaccinated children as they return to school. “It’s like saying we don’t count,” said Ingram after learning of the CDC’s policy change. COVID-19 roared through her household, yet it is unlikely any of those cases will show up in federal data because no one died or was admitted to a hospital.

The CDC told ProPublica in an email that it continues to study breakthrough cases, just in a different way. “This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance,” the email said. In addition to the hospitalization and death information, the CDC is working with Emerging Infections Program sites in 10 states to study breakthrough cases, including some mild and asymptomatic ones, the agency’s email said. Under pressure from some health experts, the CDC announced Wednesday that it will create a new outbreak analysis and forecast center...

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CDC Only Tracks A Fraction of Breakthru Covid Infections In The Vaccinated, Even As Cases Surge (Original Post) appalachiablue Aug 2021 OP
We have a member whose job is to report to CDC on breakthroughs SheltieLover Aug 2021 #1
They have their reasons, but the issues are appalachiablue Aug 2021 #2
Hoping so! SheltieLover Aug 2021 #3
I hear you kiddo & glad you trusted your instincts appalachiablue Aug 2021 #5
Ty, you too! SheltieLover Aug 2021 #6
Should have Rebl2 Aug 2021 #10
Agreed! SheltieLover Aug 2021 #11
Yup - this behavior looks way too Republican - housecleaning is needed. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #12
I couldn't agree more! SheltieLover Aug 2021 #13
Seems to me we're mostly missing one main data point ... how sick do you get if not hospitalized Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #4
My concern is more about long haul SheltieLover Aug 2021 #7
Two things ... if Dr. Ding can calculate any reliable numbers this implies data IS being gathered Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #8
Dr. Ding is not with the CDC. We should be so lucky. Lol SheltieLover Aug 2021 #9
"Please don't send us data. We don't want to know" dalton99a Aug 2021 #14

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
1. We have a member whose job is to report to CDC on breakthroughs
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:08 PM
Aug 2021

Sorry, I cannot recall name.

But the person shared that data has continued to be collected & reported to CDC in many layers.

The data is just not being reported to us.

I'm thinking Joe might need to clean house at CDC.

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
2. They have their reasons, but the issues are
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:15 PM
Aug 2021

becoming known by the outside, more and more. So yeah, some changes could be coming.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
3. Hoping so!
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:22 PM
Aug 2021

They used to be perceived as the gold standard.

If I'd listened to then in spring 2020, I'd quite likely be dead or suffering long haul.

If I'd listened to them about fully vaxed not needing to mask this past May, the same results would be quite likely.

Not sure what their reasons are, but they are quite obviously in direct conflict with my survival instinct.

Fingers crossed Joe cleans house! 🤞🤞🤞

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
5. I hear you kiddo & glad you trusted your instincts
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:51 PM
Aug 2021

and your brain. Hang in there, me too! Survival is the word..

All of my relatives made it thru the 1918 Spanish Influenza and more.

Hope I can evade this monster, not gonna be a blood meal.. Not w/o a fight!

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
6. Ty, you too!
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:54 PM
Aug 2021

I cannot comprehend how people can be so casual about masks.

When I'm around humans -- indoors or outdoors - I'm in my 3M N95. Not pretty, but a great fit & it is real. 👍

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
4. Seems to me we're mostly missing one main data point ... how sick do you get if not hospitalized
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:33 PM
Aug 2021

We see numbers regularly on what % of people testing positive are fully vaxxed
We see numbers regularly on what % of people going to hospital are fully vaxxed
We see numbers regularly on what % of people dying are fully vaxxed

Ergo, what's going on outside of the health care system, i.e. what are people going thru at home ... is unknown.

Seems to me that's probably unknown for all illnesses.

I suppose they could, in theory, be requesting doctors and hospitals to submit data for people they see that they know are positive, but are not actually admitted to a hospital. But I think data like that is going to be inherently difficult to parse into meaningful analysis.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
7. My concern is more about long haul
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:57 PM
Aug 2021

But Dr. Ding answered that ? In his twitter. Even fully vaxed asymptomatic / mild cases can & often do result in long haul. (19% or so.)

No link, but if you have twitter perhaps you can search it up. It's there.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
8. Two things ... if Dr. Ding can calculate any reliable numbers this implies data IS being gathered
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:14 PM
Aug 2021

Otherwise, nobody could say anything with any reliability about it.

Secondly, I don't think the knock-on effects of 'long haul' in general is necessarily the purview of the CDC (almost certainly not right now, esp. given nobody got covid more than 1.5 years ago, and the pandemic is still raging ATM).

That's probably more of an NIH kind of thing.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
9. Dr. Ding is not with the CDC. We should be so lucky. Lol
Tue Aug 31, 2021, 12:26 AM
Aug 2021

I believe it was a small group of healthcare workers, fully vaxed, that the #s came from. I'll try to look for article or tweet, but no promises. Lol

Yes, you might be right about NIH.

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