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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,946 posts)
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:45 PM Sep 2022

Harrop: If MAGAland secedes, imagine benefits for Blue States

With 1 out of 5 “strong Republicans” saying a civil war is very likely — and part of the Trump base casually throwing around the word “secession” — one suspects that many residents of MAGAland don’t want to live under their elected national government. They want their own country.

No, I don’t want the United States to break up. I’m a left-leaning moderate living in a Democratic stronghold who truly likes other parts of the country: the rural South, Appalachia, the Great Plains, Texas. Lots of wonderful people there, including many who don’t generally subscribe to my political views. And I’ll go so far as to agree with them on certain items, for example, the ridiculousness of the woke fringe. Keep the United States united, I say.

On the other hand, let’s consider the possibilities. Suppose we skip the war part and imagine an amicable divorce.

-snip-

The counties that voted for Joe Biden in 2020 accounted for 71 percent of the national economy. Trump voting counties represented only 29 percent. Biden country is subsidizing Trump country. Imagine what the Blue States could do with the federal taxes they now send to Washington.

https://www.heraldnet.com/opinion/harrop-if-magaland-secedes-imagine-benefits-for-blue-states/

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Harrop: If MAGAland secedes, imagine benefits for Blue States (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2022 OP
No, they don't "want their own country"... regnaD kciN Sep 2022 #1
Send them to Mars onetexan Sep 2022 #17
Russia calling yankee87 Sep 2022 #2
Hope they enjoy freezing, starving and jumping into Putin's Ukrainian meat grinder. Crowman2009 Sep 2022 #15
nice llashram Sep 2022 #3
They want all the land with the farms, the natural resources, etc. TheRealNorth Sep 2022 #4
Indeed! Quality education, better tax structure, civil and voting rights..the list is endless! PortTack Sep 2022 #5
I Faux pas Sep 2022 #6
... EYESORE 9001 Sep 2022 #7
The only problem with that theory is lees1975 Sep 2022 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Sep 2022 #9
Requires fantasy to make it happen AND much bigger fantasizing still to Hortensis Sep 2022 #10
Lost me at "woke fringe." Scrivener7 Sep 2022 #11
I saw that too and wondered wtf was that. Probatim Sep 2022 #14
It's the typical "punching down" that apparently comes naturally to wishy-washy libs like Harrop. keep_left Sep 2022 #16
Man, oh man, would it be bad. Aristus Sep 2022 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Sep 2022 #13

yankee87

(2,170 posts)
2. Russia calling
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:49 PM
Sep 2022

I hear that Russia is a good place for all the MAGA morons to go. I mean they want to live under a dictator and according to polls, trust Putin more the our President Biden. I say we give them airfare and some money to move there. Heck, I’ll even contribute.

Crowman2009

(2,494 posts)
15. Hope they enjoy freezing, starving and jumping into Putin's Ukrainian meat grinder.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 07:30 AM
Sep 2022

Buh-bye gun nuts!

TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
4. They want all the land with the farms, the natural resources, etc.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:51 PM
Sep 2022

It's fun to think that the cities by themselves could be self sufficient, but it is a fantasy.

Here in MN, they want to take ALL that land and go join the Dakotas.

I bet MAGAland would like nothing more than to squeeze Democrats into ghettos. Because I don't see Republicans in the North moving south- they would insist that States be divided.

Faux pas

(14,672 posts)
6. I
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 02:58 PM
Sep 2022

love the idea of them seceding. Think of all the good blue states can do if they weren't supporting the red states! Let them try to support themselves

lees1975

(3,847 posts)
8. The only problem with that theory is
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 03:08 PM
Sep 2022

that a Civil War would lead to the invasion of the United States and the dissolution of the whole country. We wouldn't survive intact.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Requires fantasy to make it happen AND much bigger fantasizing still to
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 03:54 PM
Sep 2022

imagine it would result in a happier blue nation than now. Fantasy. Once we gave up our commitment to protecting and serving The People by protecting our nation's democracy, though, would we even be the people who could create that happyland? We're talking two very different sets of values here. Government of, by and for the people couldn't allow victimization of many millions who happened to live in the wrong areas.

But to "if it happened," here's a little part of my guess: The reason prosperity and wellbeing are national characteristics is redistribution of wealth and values from the more prosperous, and blue, areas to the less. Accepting unity and some liberal requirements (voting laws, electrifying poor neighborhoods, educating all children) is usually the price attached.

Once cut off from redistribution of both wealth and imposition of liberal practices, under far-right government, the peeled off areas would become increasingly comparatively impoverished, unstable and riddled with crime. Remembering also that future catastrophes of disappearing fresh water and severe drought and heat will tend to affect geographic "red" areas to the south stronger than blue.

I'd expect that organized crime would become rampant, such as it is in conservative nations to the south. Much industry and other businesses would of course leave for more stable nations. Millions of anti-immigrant conservatives would become migrants themselves as they fled to the safety and prosperity of the liberal nation, over time many illiterate and unskilled.

And -- huge to my mind -- the blue happyland would be endangered by the government, criminal gangs, militias and terrorists of directly adjacent territories. What more probable than that a ruthless authoritarian RW government or governments would want to invade and conquer their wealthy enemy. and at all times encourage attacks by criminal organizations?

Btw, don't know how precise the figures given are, but if 25% of voters are Republicans, one out of five saying they want civil war would be 5% of the populace. Back to my first point: what is our democracy's duty to them and to the other 95% of us? I can come up with no happy fantasy that includes our betraying and abandoning many millions of citizens who have every right to continue to be citizens of the United States.

Probatim

(2,528 posts)
14. I saw that too and wondered wtf was that.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 11:44 PM
Sep 2022

It's no different than radical left or antifa or BLM baiting. Why use it unless you want to appeal to someone who is never going to read it?

keep_left

(1,783 posts)
16. It's the typical "punching down" that apparently comes naturally to wishy-washy libs like Harrop.
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 01:41 AM
Sep 2022

This must be the case because they do it so gratuitously. It's just the latest red-baiting nonsense, and when it comes from a female columnist, there's a large amount of "'pick me girl" energy going on as well--particularly when it comes to her use of snarl words like "woke fringe".

And yes, Harrop is trying to appeal to MAGA chuds who will never read her stuff and who don't matter. In fact, I remember the Freepers ridiculing her during the Obama years. They had a very "special" name for her: Froma Harlot. That's the kind of misogyny we're dealing with.

In addition to her wishy-washy lib views, Harrop is also a terrible writer. Ending her column with a Motley Crue song title?!

Aristus

(66,327 posts)
12. Man, oh man, would it be bad.
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 07:53 PM
Sep 2022

The Blue States would constantly be invaded by caravans of rapists, murderers, drug addicts, and losers from the red states looking for welfare benefits. And some, I suppose, would be good people.

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