Harrop: If MAGAland secedes, imagine benefits for Blue States
With 1 out of 5 strong Republicans saying a civil war is very likely and part of the Trump base casually throwing around the word secession one suspects that many residents of MAGAland dont want to live under their elected national government. They want their own country.
No, I dont want the United States to break up. Im a left-leaning moderate living in a Democratic stronghold who truly likes other parts of the country: the rural South, Appalachia, the Great Plains, Texas. Lots of wonderful people there, including many who dont generally subscribe to my political views. And Ill go so far as to agree with them on certain items, for example, the ridiculousness of the woke fringe. Keep the United States united, I say.
On the other hand, lets consider the possibilities. Suppose we skip the war part and imagine an amicable divorce.
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The counties that voted for Joe Biden in 2020 accounted for 71 percent of the national economy. Trump voting counties represented only 29 percent. Biden country is subsidizing Trump country. Imagine what the Blue States could do with the federal taxes they now send to Washington.
https://www.heraldnet.com/opinion/harrop-if-magaland-secedes-imagine-benefits-for-blue-states/
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)they want OUR country.
onetexan
(13,037 posts)yankee87
(2,170 posts)I hear that Russia is a good place for all the MAGA morons to go. I mean they want to live under a dictator and according to polls, trust Putin more the our President Biden. I say we give them airfare and some money to move there. Heck, Ill even contribute.
Crowman2009
(2,494 posts)Buh-bye gun nuts!
llashram
(6,265 posts)what if. I love it. I wish they would disappear into their own MAGAtland. And then the hell with them
TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)It's fun to think that the cities by themselves could be self sufficient, but it is a fantasy.
Here in MN, they want to take ALL that land and go join the Dakotas.
I bet MAGAland would like nothing more than to squeeze Democrats into ghettos. Because I don't see Republicans in the North moving south- they would insist that States be divided.
PortTack
(32,762 posts)Faux pas
(14,672 posts)love the idea of them seceding. Think of all the good blue states can do if they weren't supporting the red states! Let them try to support themselves
EYESORE 9001
(25,932 posts)lees1975
(3,847 posts)that a Civil War would lead to the invasion of the United States and the dissolution of the whole country. We wouldn't survive intact.
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)imagine it would result in a happier blue nation than now. Fantasy. Once we gave up our commitment to protecting and serving The People by protecting our nation's democracy, though, would we even be the people who could create that happyland? We're talking two very different sets of values here. Government of, by and for the people couldn't allow victimization of many millions who happened to live in the wrong areas.
But to "if it happened," here's a little part of my guess: The reason prosperity and wellbeing are national characteristics is redistribution of wealth and values from the more prosperous, and blue, areas to the less. Accepting unity and some liberal requirements (voting laws, electrifying poor neighborhoods, educating all children) is usually the price attached.
Once cut off from redistribution of both wealth and imposition of liberal practices, under far-right government, the peeled off areas would become increasingly comparatively impoverished, unstable and riddled with crime. Remembering also that future catastrophes of disappearing fresh water and severe drought and heat will tend to affect geographic "red" areas to the south stronger than blue.
I'd expect that organized crime would become rampant, such as it is in conservative nations to the south. Much industry and other businesses would of course leave for more stable nations. Millions of anti-immigrant conservatives would become migrants themselves as they fled to the safety and prosperity of the liberal nation, over time many illiterate and unskilled.
And -- huge to my mind -- the blue happyland would be endangered by the government, criminal gangs, militias and terrorists of directly adjacent territories. What more probable than that a ruthless authoritarian RW government or governments would want to invade and conquer their wealthy enemy. and at all times encourage attacks by criminal organizations?
Btw, don't know how precise the figures given are, but if 25% of voters are Republicans, one out of five saying they want civil war would be 5% of the populace. Back to my first point: what is our democracy's duty to them and to the other 95% of us? I can come up with no happy fantasy that includes our betraying and abandoning many millions of citizens who have every right to continue to be citizens of the United States.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)Probatim
(2,528 posts)It's no different than radical left or antifa or BLM baiting. Why use it unless you want to appeal to someone who is never going to read it?
keep_left
(1,783 posts)This must be the case because they do it so gratuitously. It's just the latest red-baiting nonsense, and when it comes from a female columnist, there's a large amount of "'pick me girl" energy going on as well--particularly when it comes to her use of snarl words like "woke fringe".
And yes, Harrop is trying to appeal to MAGA chuds who will never read her stuff and who don't matter. In fact, I remember the Freepers ridiculing her during the Obama years. They had a very "special" name for her: Froma Harlot. That's the kind of misogyny we're dealing with.
In addition to her wishy-washy lib views, Harrop is also a terrible writer. Ending her column with a Motley Crue song title?!
Aristus
(66,327 posts)The Blue States would constantly be invaded by caravans of rapists, murderers, drug addicts, and losers from the red states looking for welfare benefits. And some, I suppose, would be good people.
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