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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,320 posts)
Mon May 1, 2023, 03:00 PM May 2023

Is it time to retreat from 'stand your ground'?

By Caroline Light / For The Conversation

In one key respect, Ralph Yarl was fortunate. The wounds the 16-year-old suffered after being shot twice on April 13, by the owner of the house whose doorbell he rang, thinking it was where he was due to pick up his two younger brothers, did not prove fatal.

Others who have made similar mistakes have died. Take Renisha McBride, who sought help after wrecking her car in a Detroit suburb in 2013, or Carson Senfield, who entered the wrong car in Tampa — thinking it was his Uber — on his 19th birthday. And then there is the case of 20-year-old Kaylin Gillis, a passenger in a car that turned around in a driveway in upstate New York two days after Yarl was shot. What these young people have in common is that they were killed in accidental encounters with armed property owners.

As a scholar who has studied America’s love affair with guns and lethal self-defense, I have explored the history of laws that selectively shield citizens from criminal responsibility when they use force and claim self-defense. Since 2005, these “stand your ground” laws have spread to around 30 states, transforming the United States’ legal landscape.

While preexisting laws regarding justifiable use of force allowed the use of lethal force for self-defense in some circumstances, they required that people first try to retreat from a perceived threat if it was safe to do so or to seek a nonlethal solution to a hostile encounter. Stand your ground laws, meanwhile, authorize defensive violence without a duty to retreat, wherever a person may legally be. Some also expand the circumstances in which someone could use lethal force to defend property.

https://www.heraldnet.com/opinion/comment-is-it-time-to-retreat-from-stand-your-ground/

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Is it time to retreat from 'stand your ground'? (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2023 OP
Have we had enough yet? Hope22 May 2023 #1
I would change one word in the post. spike jones May 2023 #2
stand your cowardice is more like it Skittles May 2023 #3
Nahhh...more like "Live Your Dream" ret5hd May 2023 #4
Stand your ground is not the same thing as the castle doctrine Kaleva May 2023 #5

Hope22

(1,890 posts)
1. Have we had enough yet?
Mon May 1, 2023, 03:07 PM
May 2023

It’s like the old saying, “ The beatings will stop when morale improves.” It is going to take an intervention to put the killing back in the box!

spike jones

(1,690 posts)
2. I would change one word in the post.
Mon May 1, 2023, 04:10 PM
May 2023

"What these young people have in common is that they were killed in accidental encounters with armed gun owners."
Almost 100% of the mass shooting are done by gun owners. It is time to disarm them.

Hell, I am a child of the fifties, let go with Total Worldwide Disarmament.

ret5hd

(20,534 posts)
4. Nahhh...more like "Live Your Dream"
Tue May 2, 2023, 12:11 AM
May 2023

Most of them have wet dreams about getting their chance at legalized murder.

Kaleva

(36,371 posts)
5. Stand your ground is not the same thing as the castle doctrine
Tue May 2, 2023, 08:24 AM
May 2023

"State castle doctrine laws assert that your home is your castle, and therefore, you may legally use all manner of force including deadly force to protect it and its inhabitants from attack.1

Some state laws say that you have a duty to retreat from an aggressor before you can legally act in self-defense. But with the castle doctrine, you do not have to adhere to this duty when in your home.2"

"Stand your ground states are states that apply a stand your ground rule, often in addition to the castle doctrine....

Further, the rule is not limited to self-defense in your home, but generally includes all places (for example, your home, place of work, vehicle, in public, etc.)."

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/castle-doctrine-vs-stand-your-ground/


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