Once Again, Death of the Liberal Class
http://www.nationofchange.org/reader/32141banned from Kos
(4,017 posts)Pass.
BouzoukiKing
(163 posts)And it was...
But Hedges has his place - albeit an impractical one. Such absolutism in the face of adversity is essentially the same as how the Republicans have spent thirty years moving the Overton Window - and there's value in moving it in the other direction.
cprise
(8,445 posts)then see if you can make the same statement.
In any case, we *will* get overt fascism if we keep smearing the center-Left as "absolutists" and "purists".
BouzoukiKing
(163 posts)Seriously?
mojowork_n
(2,354 posts)If you think in big picture, stand-way-back terms and don't mind that the word artist is using a pretty broad brush.
The Stranger
(11,297 posts)better organized, better coordinated, and fueled upon two of the most powerful forces in the world - fear and racism.
So let's say you try to "hold him accountable" and he doesn't come through. What then? Do you desert him and the power he has access to? And when next will anyone be able to effectively counter the better funded, better organized, better coordinated Right?
When Raphael had thus made an end of speaking, though many things occurred to me, both concerning the manners and laws of that people, that seemed very absurd, . . . yet since I perceived that Raphael was weary, and was not sure whether he could easily bear contradiction, remembering that he had taken notice of some, who seemed to think they were bound in honour to support the credit of their own wisdom, by finding out something to censure in all other mens inventions, besides their own, I only commended their Constitution, and the account he had given of it in general; and so, taking him by the hand, carried him to supper, and told him I would find out some other time for examining this subject more particularly, and for discoursing more copiously upon it.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)and see how accurately it describes his stance. Hedges seems to want a revolution against liberals, and I'm not sure he wouldn't see a fascist one as a slight improvement on liberalism.
mojowork_n
(2,354 posts)Stern, who? Howard? Isaac? National Basketball Association commissioner David? Avraham?
In any case, you may be trying to put Hedges in too narrow a frame. He's so far off the reservation that when he turns out to have been kind of prescient, it's worth a second look.
I remember reading a column or two of his, on the need for getting bodies into the street, as the only means of effective protest and getting real change. I was thinking, "yeah, right." That was a few months before the Occupy movement took off.
Maybe it's just me, but speaking of fascists, when I go back to Milton Mayer:
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html
http://www.buzzflash.com/hartmann/05/11/har05011.html
...and insert Hedges into that frame, what he's saying now is much easier to understand.
Thom Hartmann's former producer sort of does that (the other way around), referencing Mayer, in a spoof of Ann Coulter, here:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1220-20.htm
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)They attacked liberalism, Stern writes of the fascists emerging at the time in Germany, because it seemed to them the principal premise of modern society; everything they dreaded seemed to spring from it; the bourgeois life, Manchesterism, materialism, parliament and the parties, the lack of political leadership. Even more, they sense in liberalism the source of all their inner sufferings. Theirs was a resentment of loneliness; their one desire was for a new faith, a new community of believers, a world with fixed standards and no doubts, a new national religion that would bind all Germans together. All this, liberalism denied. Hence, they hated liberalism, blamed it for making outcasts of them, for uprooting them from their imaginary past, and from their faith.
The strange thing is that, back in 2005, Hedges was quoting Stern as a defender of liberalism, not "warn(ing) repeatedly of the danger of a bankrupt liberalism":
...
"There was a longing in Europe for fascism before the name was ever invented," he said. "There was a longing for a new authoritarianism with some kind of religious orientation and above all a greater communal belongingness. There are some similarities in the mood then and the mood now, although also significant differences."
HE warns of the danger in an open society of "mass manipulation of public opinion, often mixed with mendacity and forms of intimidation." He is a passionate defender of liberalism as "manifested in the spirit of the Enlightenment and the early years of the American republic."
"The radical right and the radical left see liberalism's appeal to reason and tolerance as the denial of their uniform ideology," he said. "Every democracy needs a liberal fundament, a Bill of Rights enshrined in law and spirit, for this alone gives democracy the chance for self-correction and reform. Without it, the survival of democracy is at risk. Every genuine conservative knows this."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7643.htm
Of course, Hedges spends a fair amount of time attacking atheists, writing books about it. You'd think he wouldn't be so quick to do so if he had listened to Stern on the subject of religion.
More on Stern, and how misleading the claim by Hedges that he "warns repeatedly of the danger of a bankrupt liberalism":
Today, Stern remains an outspoken liberal, tolerant in the face of intolerance on and off the campus, his life forever marked by the destruction of the liberal if flawed Weimar Republic in his native Germany. Five Germanys includes analyses of Weimar, the Third Reich, West and East Germany and united Germany and is a valuable recognition of the absolute necessity for democratic societies to accept and welcome open debate and the questioning of authority. Stern only hints at the possible similarity with the current breed of American policy and opinion makers who have created so much damage at home and abroad, though he is quite serious about their incompetence and intolerance, characteristics his family witnessed in the destruction of the short-lived democratic, if flawed Weimar Republic.
http://hnn.us/node/32206
Stern is a defender of liberalism; he doesn't think it's 'bankrupt'. That's Hedges putting his own views in Stern's mouth. I think Hedges is part of the radical left that Stern also warns about.
mojowork_n
(2,354 posts)I had read the article earlier in the week and not paid much attention to the source of the citation in it. What you've pasted up in the excerpts -- 'in defense of liberalism' -- looks like good stuff.
But this whole thread seems kind of circular to me, as in elements of a circular firing squad. Mayer, what I see above in Stern, Hedges and that last link I added, Thom Hartmann on 'myth of victimhood' are all either writing reminiscences about Germany in the 30's, or drawing direct parallels. In what appear to me to be very similar ways. But maybe using the same vocabulary in superficially conflicting ways.
jade3000
(238 posts)that is all.
(side note: 1 of 2 issues is better than 0)