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Addison

(299 posts)
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:39 PM Dec 2013

Two Americas

America is a country that is now utterly divided when it comes to its society, its economy, its politics. There are definitely two Americas. I live in one, on one block in Baltimore that is part of the viable America, the America that is connected to its own economy, where there is a plausible future for the people born into it. About 20 blocks away is another America entirely. It's astonishing how little we have to do with each other, and yet we are living in such proximity.

There's no barbed wire around West Baltimore or around East Baltimore, around Pimlico, the areas in my city that have been utterly divorced from the American experience that I know. But there might as well be. We've somehow managed to march on to two separate futures and I think you're seeing this more and more in the west. I don't think it's unique to America.

I think we've perfected a lot of the tragedy and we're getting there faster than a lot of other places that may be a little more reasoned, but my dangerous idea kind of involves this fellow who got left by the wayside in the 20th century and seemed to be almost the butt end of the joke of the 20th century; a fellow named Karl Marx.

I'm not a Marxist in the sense that I don't think Marxism has a very specific clinical answer to what ails us economically. I think Marx was a much better diagnostician than he was a clinician. He was good at figuring out what was wrong or what could be wrong with capitalism if it wasn't attended to and much less credible when it comes to how you might solve that.

You know if you've read Capital or if you've got the Cliff Notes, you know that his imaginings of how classical Marxism – of how his logic would work when applied – kind of devolve into such nonsense as the withering away of the state and platitudes like that. But he was really sharp about what goes wrong when capital wins unequivocally, when it gets everything it asks for.

That may be the ultimate tragedy of capitalism in our time, that it has achieved its dominance without regard to a social compact, without being connected to any other metric for human progress.

We understand profit. In my country we measure things by profit. We listen to the Wall Street analysts. They tell us what we're supposed to do every quarter. The quarterly report is God. Turn to face God. Turn to face Mecca, you know. Did you make your number? Did you not make your number? Do you want your bonus? Do you not want your bonus?

And that notion that capital is the metric, that profit is the metric by which we're going to measure the health of our society is one of the fundamental mistakes of the last 30 years. I would date it in my country to about 1980 exactly, and it has triumphed.

Capitalism stomped the hell out of Marxism by the end of the 20th century and was predominant in all respects, but the great irony of it is that the only thing that actually works is not ideological, it is impure, has elements of both arguments and never actually achieves any kind of partisan or philosophical perfection.

It's pragmatic, it includes the best aspects of socialistic thought and of free-market capitalism and it works because we don't let it work entirely. And that's a hard idea to think – that there isn't one single silver bullet that gets us out of the mess we've dug for ourselves. But man, we've dug a mess.

After the second world war, the west emerged with the American economy coming out of its wartime extravagance, emerging as the best product. It was the best product. It worked the best. It was demonstrating its might not only in terms of what it did during the war but in terms of just how facile it was in creating mass wealth.

Plus, it provided a lot more freedom and was doing the one thing that guaranteed that the 20th century was going to be – and forgive the jingoistic sound of this – the American century.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/08/david-simon-capitalism-marx-two-americas-wire

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Two Americas (Original Post) Addison Dec 2013 OP
As I responded the last time this article was posted ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #1
You have a very limited view of this country's history. upaloopa Dec 2013 #2
Oh??? 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #3
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
1. As I responded the last time this article was posted ...
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:42 PM
Dec 2013

there has always been Two Americas ... it's just now more white folks are finding themselves in the less desirable half.

Which is a good thing ... because now I can build more allies.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. You have a very limited view of this country's history.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 06:35 PM
Dec 2013

There were two Americas all right but before the New Deal whites and every other color were one one side and the oligarchs were on the other side. They were not all socially equal on the poor side but all had the same chance of climbing out of poverty, very little.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
3. Oh???
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 08:01 PM
Dec 2013

There were laws that prohibited whites from owning property, prescribed where a white man could live, and courts that stood by the proposition that "there is no right of a Black man, that a white man is bound to respect"?

No ... I stand by my statement!

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