European far-right backs Putin over Crimea
Last edited Sat Apr 5, 2014, 01:33 AM - Edit history (1)
Russia has accused the West of organising a fascist plot in Ukraine. All those masked men in black hanging around Kiev, looking sinister. When I was in Crimea a few weeks ago, at exactly the point of the Russian takeover, the local state TV channel suddenly switched from covering normal news to running endless documentaries about Hitler and how the Soviet armies defended Ukraine from Nazism.
And it is certainly true that there are some hardline right-wing elements in Kiev and western Ukraine, though it appears some steps are being taken to get them out of the picture if the new government there is going to get the European Union to take it seriously.
But heres something interesting thats just started to emerge: across western Europe, where hardline right-wing, ultra-nationalist parties are in the ascendency in opinion polls, its turning out that many of them are hugely supportive of what Putins organised in Crimea.
To the naked eye it appears parties often accused of being neo-fascist are supporting a Russian plan which is ostensibly designed to stop fascism.
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ETA: If for some reason you are unable to watch the video, please try post #12 in this thread. to Petrushka!
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,989 posts)It is YouTube, it should be available. It is a short report, but interesting.
Igel
(35,359 posts)Well, Texas, but that's typically considered part of the US.
Behind the Aegis
(53,989 posts)Can you not see the video either? I don't know why since it is on YouTube. Is it possible there is a setting on your computer that won't all ow it? I know mine will block videos from certain sites, unless I turn it off.
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)"The uploader has not made this video available in your country."
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,989 posts)I am sorry for the trouble. I am unsure as to why it wouldn't play for you, and apparently some others here. I am going to update my OP with a reference to your post.
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Daniel537
(1,560 posts)But their probably too busy blaming everything on Jews, Communists and Russians.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Of the anti-LGBT crap going on in Russia. When the far (religious) right in the US starts thinking that a former KGB officer / Communist (of all things) is a neat guy because of his country's anti-LGBT position, you know there is some fucked-up thinking in the far-right heads.
Behind the Aegis
(53,989 posts)The article claims it is because Russia is "standing up to" the EU, which these groups hate and want their individual countries to withdraw. Of the nations mentioned, I have only followed France's and Hungary's recent political right-wing swing, and much of it is based on nationalism, xenophobia, and anti-Semitism. A similar situation is occurring in Greece.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)That is why I said some. I would guess maybe 10% of it is because of the anti-LGBT crap.
Behind the Aegis
(53,989 posts)I doubled checked, and one of the provisions of the Copenhagen criteria used to join the EU can be used to protect the right's of GLBT persons. Were a nation to violate this, say with a Russian style anti-gay law, it is possible they could face actions or lose their status (though it appears it would be very long and drawn out). So, it is very possible that homo/transphobia is also a mitigating factor in the actions of these nationalist parties. I can't imagine they are very LGBT-friendly.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)Hence his Roosotrudnichestvo initiative for Russian jews in Israel. Kind of makes your anti-Semitic line fall apart as he is putting millions of dollars into promoting the history of Russian jews in Israel and establishing more direct partnerships with the Israeli government. Why would he be anti-Semitic and set up an organization that promotes the history of Russian jewish people?
http://rcctelavivnews.wordpress.com
http://innovation.jinr.ru/news_details.aspx?id=152&language=eng
Behind the Aegis
(53,989 posts)This is known as a "strawman fallacy." Your links demonstrate nothing. BTW, you do realize that "Jews" and "Jewish" are both capitalized words, right?
go west young man
(4,856 posts)between Putin and the Far Right. One could easily do the same with former President Bush and far right groups. It doesn't hold water however unless the leader themselves backs those groups. That is the point of my post. Those groups are primarily anti-Semitic however, Putin is not, and my links on his jewish initiatives back this up. He's funneling millions of dollars into a program that seeks to highlight the history of Russian and Israeli jewish people. As far as my spelling goes, thanks for the didactic and petulant correction.
Behind the Aegis
(53,989 posts)The article is about the far-right groups of other countries and why they are supporting Putin, not why is Putin supporting far-right groups. Your links prove nothing as to whether Putin has anti-Semitic leanings or not. The reason for correcting your spelling, which I see you didn't correct, is because using lowercase when talking about Jews or Judaism is disrespectful, but as I stated, you continue to do so.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)Why would he fund a pro jewish initiative otherwise? As far as respect goes...you may want to separate yourself from representing the Jewish (or jewish) community overall because with admonishments over spelling you are certainly not doing the community any favors. I wasn't aware that Jews as a whole lost it when you didn't capitalize their ethnicity correctly. Talk about a persecution complex. I'm an agnostic brit but I couldn't give a shit whether someone uses capitalization when referring to who or what I may be. Your sensitivity to the ridiculous hurts your own advocacy for your cause.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I suggest you reconsider your attitude if you want to keep posting here.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)But what do I know, right?
go west young man
(4,856 posts)Heck if DU wants to get rid of me for those simple points then maybe it needs a name change. I certainly hope that's not the case as I've been posting controversial thought provoking things here for ages. If what I write is too outside the accepted norms at this point, then maybe it's not the DU I thought it was.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)But don't mind me, carry on.
Behind the Aegis
(53,989 posts)You may not want to tell me as a Jew, what I can can't find offensive to me.
"Talk about a persecution complex."
Now, that's some good irony!
The rest of your post is as ridiculous as your first one, its claims, and the subsequent posts you created. And to think, you have the audacity to "tut-tut" me about what should and shouldn't be offensive to me, all the while your entire sub-thread is in defensive of someone who isn't even under "attack".
go west young man
(4,856 posts)the Far right hoodlums you seem to be backing. http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.584292
As Jews flee unrest, new figures show sharp rise in immigration from Ukraine
Number of new immigrants from Ukraine registered at the ministry in the first three months of the year totaled 557, an increase of 43 percent over the same period last year.
Shakhar, who formerly served as the Jewish Agency emissary in Kiev, said that based on the number of Ukrainian Jews who have registered for flights to Israel this month, the upward trend appears to be continuing. The April figures indicate, she said, that Jews from Kiev, the capital, are now also leaving the country in growing numbers.
But she said it was difficult to predict how long this immigration wave would last.
In addition to an increase in the numbers of Jews leaving the country and registering for flights to Israel, Shakhar said an upward trend was also evident in the number seeking advice about immigration to Israel at Jewish Agency offices around Ukraine.
Behind the Aegis
(53,989 posts)Ukraines Jews Dismiss Claims of Anti-Semitism
NIPROPETROVSK, Ukraine From his office atop the worlds biggest Jewish community center, Shmuel Kaminezki, the chief rabbi of this eastern Ukrainian city, has followed with dismay Russian claims that Ukraine is now in the hands of neo-Nazi extremists and struggled to calm his panicked 85-year-old mother in New York.
Raised in Russia and a regular viewer of Russian television, she calls every day to ask, Have the pogroms happened yet?'? Rabbi Kaminezki said. He tells his mother that they have not, and that she should stop watching Russian TV. It is a total lie, he said. Jews are not in danger in Ukraine.
Russias president, Vladimir V. Putin, added his own voice to the scaremongering in a speech at the Kremlin on March 18, when he described the ouster of President Viktor F. Yanukovych of Ukraine as an armed coup executed by nationalists, neo-Nazis, Russophobes and anti-Semites who continue to set the tone in Ukraine to this day.
But instead of reeling in panic at any fascist resurgence, the Jewish community of Dnipropetrovsk, one of the largest in Ukraine, is celebrating the recent appointment of one of its own, a billionaire tycoon named Ihor Kolomoysky, as the regions most powerful official.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/world/europe/ukraines-jews-dismiss-claims-of-anti-semitism.html
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Still has jack shit to do with your claims, or more importantly, the OP.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)which is hypocritical, to say the least. In some posts your support Jews and in others you argue on behalf of right wing extremists that regularly incite violence against Jews. My information is based upon official immigration statistics coming out of Ukraine (as cited by Haertz). Your info is based upon a small group of individuals in a certain area and a few opinions. Here's some definitions for you.
Subjective information or writing is based on personal opinions, interpretations, points of view, emotions and judgment. It is often considered ill-suited for scenarios like news reporting or decision making in business or politics. Objective information or analysis is fact-based, measurable and observable.
Behind the Aegis
(53,989 posts)I support the Jews. PERIOD. You, however, support the Jews who support YOUR POSITION. It is that, GWYM, that is hypocritical and disingenuous. I have a long history of confronting anti-Semitism; how's about you? no? Only when it serves a purpose? Again, we see you, a non=Jew, telling me, a Jew, what is and isn't important to me. These type of arguments would be slaughtered were you to say this about gays, AA, or women, of which you belong to none of those groups either.
The OP was about RIGHT WING SUPPORT from other European nations, NOT PUTIN, which YOU have attempted to make it about. When that failed, you tried to make it about the Jews. It has failed as well.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)Your supporting certain Ukrainian Jews to fit your argument. If you were supporting all Jews then of course you would be supporting the Jews in East Ukraine as well. The ones that Haaertz cites above as leaving Ukraine in numbers twice greater than last year at this very same time. What say you of those people?
Behind the Aegis
(53,989 posts)What I don't support is those who use us a pawn in their agendas.