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Thu May 30, 2013, 03:33 PM

Howard Dean Does The Unthinkable. Explains That Bears Actually DO S#!t In The Woods.

Leaves Joe Scarborough clutching his pearls.

Howard Dean has always been one of my heros, and I wish more Democratic Party politicians would be like him when it comes to stating the obvious and actually mentioning the stupid elephant in the room.

When asked what he thought of an editorial in The National Review, he basically said "Why the hell should I care what The National Review says? It's a right wing crackpot publication." 'NUFF SAID! Don't bother EXPLAINING. Don't bother DENYING. Just give them the credit they deserve...and move on.

GO DEAN!

Clutching his pearls and declaring he has 'the vapors' Scarborough then asks him "Well, I never.... What about The Daily Caller? Are THEY a right wing crackpot publication, too?"

Dean's answer: "Well, no. The Daily Caller is a right wing PROPAGANDA publication."

Calling all Democratic politicians: THIS IS THE EXAMPLE YOU SHOULD BE FOLLOWING.

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Reply Howard Dean Does The Unthinkable. Explains That Bears Actually DO S#!t In The Woods. (Original post)
TrollBuster9090 May 2013 OP
The Magistrate May 2013 #1
Scuba May 2013 #2
Mr Samuel Hain May 2013 #3
JDPriestly May 2013 #6
Left Coast2020 May 2013 #35
JDPriestly May 2013 #37
daleanime May 2013 #49
calimary May 2013 #50
Ed Suspicious May 2013 #4
whathehell May 2013 #9
JNelson6563 May 2013 #52
whathehell May 2013 #57
AsahinaKimi May 2013 #5
AnneD May 2013 #7
fredamae May 2013 #16
Ned_Devine May 2013 #30
fredamae May 2013 #31
MNBrewer May 2013 #21
Left Coast2020 May 2013 #36
AnneD May 2013 #38
calimary May 2013 #55
AnneD Jun 2013 #60
question everything May 2013 #8
msongs May 2013 #10
Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #11
calimary May 2013 #56
Half-Century Man May 2013 #12
Iwillnevergiveup May 2013 #13
rurallib May 2013 #14
zentrum May 2013 #15
abq e streeter May 2013 #17
hypergrove May 2013 #18
Fantastic Anarchist May 2013 #44
snappyturtle May 2013 #19
TrollBuster9090 May 2013 #22
lark May 2013 #45
snappyturtle Jun 2013 #59
CanonRay May 2013 #20
TrollBuster9090 May 2013 #23
We People May 2013 #33
Dawson Leery May 2013 #24
TrollBuster9090 May 2013 #25
blackspade May 2013 #26
EC May 2013 #27
TrollBuster9090 May 2013 #28
DFW May 2013 #29
bitchkitty May 2013 #32
eridani May 2013 #34
Dustlawyer May 2013 #39
raindaddy May 2013 #40
patrice May 2013 #41
patrice May 2013 #42
joanbarnes May 2013 #43
DFW May 2013 #47
harun May 2013 #46
bbgrunt May 2013 #48
Life Long Dem May 2013 #51
JNelson6563 May 2013 #53
Phlem May 2013 #54
harmonicon May 2013 #58

Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 03:40 PM

1. Kudos To Gov. Dean, Sir

"That's the stuff to give the Hun!"

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 03:40 PM

2. That's just not right!

 

I can only rec this once!

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 03:42 PM

3. Truth!

 

(Joe has a problem with it, like all Repubs.)

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Response to Mr Samuel Hain (Reply #3)

Thu May 30, 2013, 04:24 PM

6. The truth hurts, as they say.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #6)

Thu May 30, 2013, 11:57 PM

35. Dr. Dean as her VP

Do I hear an "AMEN" from the audience?

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Response to Left Coast2020 (Reply #35)

Fri May 31, 2013, 02:59 AM

37. I'd go for that!

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Response to Left Coast2020 (Reply #35)

Fri May 31, 2013, 01:19 PM

49. Warren and Dean?

I could live with that.

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Response to Mr Samuel Hain (Reply #3)

Fri May 31, 2013, 01:22 PM

50. Welcome to DU, Mr Samuel Hain!

Glad you're here! Good point you make, and scarborough has NEVER rehabilitated himself in my eyes. He's still deeply suspect, and damaged goods, and besides, he's still a republi-CON.

Heavens above, I LOVE Howard Dean. Still do! Since 2004!

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 03:48 PM

4. They sure are cackling on about how funny Dr. Dean is. Fuck them.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #4)

Thu May 30, 2013, 04:33 PM

9. That's nervous laughter -- They know he speaks his mind. n/t

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Response to whathehell (Reply #9)

Fri May 31, 2013, 02:12 PM

52. Yep, whistling past the graveyard.

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #52)

Fri May 31, 2013, 07:22 PM

57. I love the Dean Man.

He's a democrat with GUTS!...Wish he'd run for prez again.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 03:58 PM

5. I love me sum Howard Dean!

I really enjoyed working for his campaign a few years back. He inspired me to want to be active.

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #5)

Thu May 30, 2013, 04:24 PM

7. I never met Bill Clinton.....

but Howard Dean is certainly the smartest Dem with a capital D I ever met.

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Response to AnneD (Reply #7)

Thu May 30, 2013, 05:56 PM

16. The difference between

most Democrats (especially in leadership) and Dean? He IS one of the last from the Dem Wing.

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Response to fredamae (Reply #16)

Thu May 30, 2013, 09:18 PM

30. He IS the whole reason I started to care

 

...about politics. I know I should have been paying more attention before he came along, but I credit Dr. Dean with making me the true liberal democrat that I am now

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #30)

Thu May 30, 2013, 09:54 PM

31. I Like him too! n/t

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #5)

Thu May 30, 2013, 06:36 PM

21. He made me want to be a democrat again, after the bitter disappointment of Clinton and Wellstone

*DOMA*

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #5)

Fri May 31, 2013, 12:00 AM

36. I was honored to meet him too...

...after a fundraiser in San Francisco with Bonnie Rait and David Crosby. Sean Penn was even there, but he doesn't sing.

Will never forget it.

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Response to Left Coast2020 (Reply #36)

Fri May 31, 2013, 09:06 AM

38. It was a Democratic Party Fundraiser.....

here in Houston. No Hollywood types. But he laid out such a clear battle plan from the grass roots up that we needed to: retake control of the Democratic Party and retake the country back.

He went through the election results like a coroner through an autopsy. His command of the facts were stunning. It was at that time I understood why he was not selected to head up the Democratic Party or the DLC. He is a threat to the status quo.

In the words of the Who...and now the party on the right is now the party on the left.

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Response to AnneD (Reply #38)

Fri May 31, 2013, 05:28 PM

55. Well, he WAS eventually selected to chair the Democratic National Committee.

We-the-People practically had to hold the DNC at knifepoint to push that one through.

Back in 2005 they set up listening events in various cities around the country. The one in L.A. was downtown, and I went to it. Had to walk for blocks because there was no more parking. They were canvassing grassroots Dems to see who we wanted for DNC chair. They had a couple of flabby offerings including the guy from Colorado who's a so-called Dem but anti-choice. Tim Roemer I think it was. They were really pushing hard for one of these anointed ones, and our crowd wasn't having ANY of it. It was a packed room, standing room only along the sides, every seat in this auditorium taken, people squeezing through the doorway and spilling out into the hallway outside the door. Multitudes of more questioners than there was time provided, and everybody was allowed only two minutes each. I know. I was one of many for whom they didn't have time, and I think I recall they extended the meeting by an hour to try to accommodate the onslaught of people, and they still didn't get to MANY of us. They passed out these red cards and green cards and we were supposed to vote by holding up whatever color card was signified. The whole auditorium was awash with upstretched hands holding green cards when Dr. Dean's name was called. I think out of the hundreds who were there, there were maybe half-a-dozen cards that went up for the preferred candidates of the DNC panel up on stage, when their names were called. It was almost literally by acclamation. We were UNDETERRED, and we were NOT going to entertain any other DNC chair selection but Howard Dean. It was interesting to watch the reactions onstage - this was clearly not what they were expecting OR what they thought was the better way.

And it worked. Evidently every other listening event produced the same results. The DNC officials were overwhelmed. Their preferred candidates went NOWHERE. It was a total rout for the Good Doctor. And sure enough, he was selected. They couldn't afford to go against this tsunami of grassroots opinion, and it didn't matter what kind of little regard they had for us or how insignificant were our views and preferences. They were forced to cave. They didn't approve of his "50-State Strategy." Maybe they thought it was quaint. Or maybe they thought it should all be Beltway or NO way. Well, they didn't get their way this time!

And let's think back to the results of Dr. Dean taking the helm: the very next election cycle, in 2006, the Dems got the House back. In 2008, we kept the House and got the White House back. And then after that he stepped down. Unfortunately for all of us. I'm pretty certain that if he'd stayed, we might have been able to stave off the vomit surge of teabaggers that took over in 2010 and are still trying to drag us down into Hell. (Thanks DEBBIE... )

Dr. Dean ROCKS. Then, Now, and ALWAYS. His "50-State Strategy" WORKED. And we should have stayed with it.

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Response to calimary (Reply #55)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 09:25 AM

60. Want to know the real reason Rick Perry is still Governor of Texas....

We keep getting the DLC approved Marvin Milquetoast candidate. This is Texas. The GOP has out organized us and used their time in office to gerrymander the districts to their benefit. We have to do it from the ground up in this state and we have to have a candidate that has either son of God in his name or can go after these jokers with his gloves off.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 04:30 PM

8. I wish that DUers would follow

I often find posts here about RWers, including Faux saying this and saying that and my first reaction is: who cares?

One of the problem of 24 (more or less) cable news is that in order to fill their time they have to quote from dumb politicians and hateful pundits.

Would anyone had ever paid attention to Baba Walters program had it not been widely quoted by Leno and others, leading candidates to visit there?

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 04:36 PM

10. "I welcome their hatred" vs "If I beg and grovel they will love me". go Howard! nt

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 04:38 PM

11. A reminder about The Daily Caller...

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #11)

Fri May 31, 2013, 05:53 PM

56. Let's not forget that's little tucker carlson's little rag.

He failed out of CNN. He failed out of MSNBC. He even failed out of Pox Noise. So he set up his own little paper to give himself something to do and a letterhead to do it by. Only thing good about little tucker carlson is he finally gave up on the bowtie affectation. And I'm afraid that's about the best that can be said about him.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 05:15 PM

12. I swear

Politics is the only place where it is impolite to inform someone their fly is open.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 05:20 PM

13. Still a cool, refreshing breeze

Is Howard Dean. Meeting him got me big-time activated...seems like so long ago.

K&R

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 05:48 PM

14. marking to steal

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 05:55 PM

15. What a great...

......inconvenient Democrat he is.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 06:24 PM

17. Good thing Dr. Dean was there to restore the IQ points lost from a few seconds of the rest of those

pompous jackasses.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 06:24 PM

18. Howard says the left used to have 'the crazies'???

 

Who the hell is Howard talking about, the Black Panthers? Cut me a break Howard (and I still have your sign up) if you and fellow dems had listened to us "crazies" would we have global warming? would we have the absolute paralysis in our culture we have today? The miltarism? The addicts? The hungry? The medical insurance scammers?

Say the truth Howard, that the hippies were right all along and it's about time you showed courage and said so publicly.

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Response to hypergrove (Reply #18)

Fri May 31, 2013, 11:10 AM

44. I say basically the same thing:

... in this thread.

I liked it except for the last remark ...

"When I grew up, the Left had all the crazies, today, the Right has all the crazies." (Paraphrasing)

No, Governor, the Left has usually been spot on about things; throughout history, it's the Progressive Left that has more often than not been proven correct. The Left (and I'm talking about actual Leftists) have as their (and mine) moral imperative, the the good of society (and in an anarchist sense, the individual which is intertwined). The Right, historically speaking, has as its moral imperative, the good of the few, and the fewer, as profit, wealth, power, et cetera is their ultimate objective.

Sorry to nitpick that last statement.

The above, obviously, is a rough generalization; but I think is a good overview between goals of the Left vs. the Right.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 06:29 PM

19. I'd still like to see Dean run again....there's just something about him that

I think many can identify with. Dean/Warren? Anybody?

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Response to snappyturtle (Reply #19)

Thu May 30, 2013, 06:49 PM

22. I've always thought the same thing! I've always thought he at least belongs in the Senate, and the

the only reason he's NOT is because Vermont already HAS two great Progressive Senators, and he'd have to displace one of them to get in.

Buy yeah, maybe whomever wins the Democratic nomination in 2016 should pick him for VP. Or he should just run for the nomination again on his own. Howard Dean, Bill Richardson, and Wesley Clark are, in my opinion, the three biggest WASTED ASSETS in the Democratic Party.

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Response to snappyturtle (Reply #19)

Fri May 31, 2013, 11:27 AM

45. How about Warren/Dean

I think he'd make an exceptional VP, and then go on to be president after she has her 8 years.
What a beautiful dream, just think of all the changes these 2 could make. I think they are the real deal and wouldn't succumb to just wanting to be liked or held hostage by false ideas of bipartisanship as is this administration.

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Response to lark (Reply #45)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 08:23 AM

59. How about Dean/Warren?

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 06:34 PM

20. THIS guy should have been President

he'd have been a damn good one.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #20)

Thu May 30, 2013, 06:51 PM

23. I'm convinced that he WOULD have been, if not for Joe Leiberman.

Lieberman, fairly on in the 2004 primaries, took it upon himself to take out Dean, who was the front runner at the time.

Still, Dean could have come back, if only he'd asked Wesley Clark to drop out of the race in exchange for being his running mate if he won the nomination. So, it would have been a Dean/Clark ticket, which would have stood a better chance of winning than Kerry/Edwards. Just my opinion.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Reply #23)

Thu May 30, 2013, 11:03 PM

33. It's a tragedy, really, that he lost out on that nomination

He would have been a phenomenal president, absolutely phenomenal.

The RWers and "moderates" knew that, though, and would not have allowed it to happen.

He's still my favorite to this day because he's a genuine Democrat who isn't fuzzy about what that means.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 06:54 PM

24. 3 Facts:

1) That National Review has become a crackpot publication.
2) The Daily Caller is right wing propaganda.
3) Joe Scarborough had a dead intern found in his office.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 06:55 PM

25. Another example of Dean speaking common sense, and not giving a s#!t if somebody 'accuses' him of

being a liberal for speaking his mind.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 07:02 PM

26. Dean is awesome.

Joe looked like he was about to implode.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 07:09 PM

27. Oh dear, that's what it was....

I woke up late this morning and saw a shocked look on scar's face and Mica looking like she was choking on something...that must have been what it was.

Good for him. I remember when what's her name on the Cycle tried to use The Daily Caller as a source and they called her out and she hasn't used it since.

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Response to EC (Reply #27)

Thu May 30, 2013, 07:21 PM

28. Good for them. It always amazes me when a liberal/progressive common sense politician is presented

with one of these arguments, and they actually treat it as if it's SERIOUS. Something which only gives it a sense of legitimacy that it doesn't deserve.


I mean...did BUZ ALDRIN give a carefully crafted 'denial' when confronted with the conspiracy 'scandal' that he didn't really land on the moon?




I'd rather see a liberal politician do the FIGURATIVE version of this, which is what DEAN did here.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 08:00 PM

29. Howard has always spoken his mind on this subject

It drives the radical right bonkers, especially when he separates reactionaries from conservatives, as I do. Howard was called a crackpot by the whole right wing propaganda machine in 2003-2004, so he knows that script by heart.

Now that more of the public realizes that it's not he who was the crackpot, but the Cheney White House and its sycophantic fan club, he is much freer to call them that right back to their faces. Did Scarborough expect him to be timid or something? Howard isn't running for anything, and he isn't looking for his own show on Fox Noise, so what reason do they think he could possibly have to call them anything other than what they are? Just because hardly anyone else dares to? Whoever thinks that doesn't know Howard.

The only thing that surprises me is that the radical right even bothers to act surprised when Howard accurately describes them. What, Republicans don't own mirrors?

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 10:08 PM

32. Yes! Love Howard Dean. n/t

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2013, 11:28 PM

34. Yearrrgggghh! n/t

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2013, 09:15 AM

39. When he was the Head of the DNC he had a 50 state strategy that helped tremendously here

in Texas! Since then we have been abandoned! I believe a big push here, with the help of the Castro brothers could flip this state and send the Repugs into obscurity! The we could fight for COMPLETE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM (CCFR)!!!!! CCFR is the only thing that can save this country and take control of our government back from the corporations and the 1%! Howard Dean has said as much himself! Love the man!!!

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2013, 09:39 AM

40. Always Good to Hear From the Democratic Wing of the Democratc Party

Love it, Dean confronts the same corporate media that killed his bid for the Presidency. We'd not only be living in a different country of Howard Dean would've become president, we'd be looking at a Democratic party that actually represents the middle-class and the poor.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2013, 10:19 AM

41. Some friends & I went to Iowa for Dr. Dean. I later got his autograph on a biography of

my father that my family wrote and compiled into a book with lots of family photos.

For so very long I have listened to Democrats in interviews and such and have thought "Don't let that media whore get away with that! Say SOMETHING that challenges them. Expose their lies." always to be disappointed by insipid Democratic replies.

Dr. Dean is the cure for that disappointment, because he's his own man, not theirs.

..................

Did you notice how the blonde tried to giggle him into the "oh, that silly, Dr. Dean" role again, but when the others seemed to be listening to him, she adapted her response for closing the vignette?

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2013, 10:27 AM

42. BTW, all, the Dean for America meetups were some of the most awesome political actions I

have EVER been a part of.

Instead of sitting and just listening to some authority tell us stuff, we always actually did somekind of political work at each meetup: writing letters, organizing phone trees, hassling out the language for a petition, networking with community groups, etc. etc. etc. It was like being a real grown-up Democrat, not just some junior member who was to be kept out of the real decisions.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2013, 10:51 AM

43. As always, I pine for President Dean!

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Response to joanbarnes (Reply #43)

Fri May 31, 2013, 12:13 PM

47. Would THAT have been fun!

A president who has a decidedly outspokenly progressive agenda, and speaks out sanely, directly and forcefully on issues he feels strongly about. He'd have made some missteps in the beginning, but the country would have been SO much better off.

Plus--I would have gotten to jam on the 12 string guitar at the White House with the President of the United States. Can't forget the little things!

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2013, 11:39 AM

46. A True Progressive, God Bless Him

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2013, 01:09 PM

48. All I hear on even so-called left media is

defensive coverage of these right-wing inanities. It is a balm to my soul to hear an occasional truth-teller like Howard put it down like the cancer it is.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2013, 01:44 PM

51. Boom! In your face!

 

What about The Daily Caller? Are THEY a right wing crackpot publication, too?"

Dean's answer: "Well, no. The Daily Caller is a right wing PROPAGANDA publication."


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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2013, 02:23 PM

53. I love Howard Dean.

Always have, always will.

Julie

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2013, 03:32 PM

54. This

is how you talk to Republicans.

Period.



-p

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2013, 11:11 PM

58. Of course it's the example they SHOULD be following...

but they kicked him from party leadership because it was an example they didn't want to follow. Dean meant real change. Most of the people in power in the party wanted the status quo, and that's what they got.

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