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Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)napoleon_in_rags
(3,991 posts)His explanation, his words. A lot in there.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)This could prove interesting.
rtracey
(2,062 posts)You won't....you will be in prison. Sometimes good intentions backfire. You have outed something that is used to protect our citizens. Yes we may need to give up a little freedom, but I can't believe the founders could ever predict what terrorist want to do to this country when they wrote the 4th....
When I hear that our govt stopped terrorist plots because of this,and how many lives may have been saved...dude, you were wrong...good luck
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)surrounded by people loyal to Britain who sided with the British.
Adams did indeed estimate in another letter of that year that in the American Revolution, the Patriots had to struggle against approximately one-third of the population, while they themselves constituted about two-thirds of it; he did not mention neutrals.[29] In 1968 historian Paul H. Smith estimated there were about 500,000 Loyalists, or 16% of the white population.[30][31]
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As a result of the looming crisis in 1775 the Royal Governor of Virginia, Lord Dunmore, issued a proclamation that promised freedom to servants and slaves who were able to bear arms and join his Loyalist Ethiopian Regiment. About 800 did so; some helped rout the Virginia militia at the Battle of Kemp's Landing and fought in the Battle of Great Bridge on the Elizabeth River, wearing the motto "Liberty to Slaves", but this time they were defeated. The remains of their regiment were then involved in the evacuation of Norfolk, after which they served in the Chesapeake area. Eventually the camp that they had set up there suffered an outbreak of smallpox and other diseases. This took a heavy toll, putting many of them out of action for some time. The survivors joined other British units and continued to serve throughout the war. Black colonials were often the first to come forward to volunteer and a total of 12,000 African Americans served with the British from 1775 to 1783. This factor had the effect of forcing the rebels to also offer freedom to those who would serve in the Continental Army; however, such promises were often reneged upon by both sides.[35]
About 400 to 1000 free blacks went to London and joined the free black community of about 10,000 there. About 3,500 to 4,000 more went to the British colonies of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, where the British promised them land. Over 2,500 settled in Birchtown, Nova Scotia, instantly making it the largest free black community in North America. However, the inferior grants of land they were given and the prejudices of white Loyalists in nearby Shelburne, who regularly harassed the settlement, made life very difficult for the community.[36] In 1791 Britain's Sierra Leone Company offered to transport dissatisfied black Loyalists to the British colony of Sierra Leone in Africa, with the promise of better land and more equality. About 1,200 left Nova Scotia for Sierra Leone, where they named the capital Freetown.[36] After 1787 they became Sierra Leone's ruling elite.[citation needed]
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The Loyalists rarely attempted any political organization. They were often passive unless regular British army units were in the area. The British, however, assumed a highly activist Loyalist community was ready to mobilize and planned much of their strategy around raising Loyalist regiments. The British provincial line, consisting of Americans enlisted on a regular army status, enrolled 19,000 loyalists (50 units and 312 companies). Another 10,000 served in loyalist militia or "associations." The maximum strength of the Loyalist provincial line was 9,700 in December 1780.[42][43] In all about 50,000 at one time or another were soldiers or militia in British forces, including 15,000 from the main Loyalist stronghold of New York.[44] The majority of Loyalists fought in the southern and middle colonies and few were from the north.[citation needed] In addition, a large number of Americans served in the regular British army and in the Royal Navy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalist_%28American_Revolution%29
The American Revolution was far more violent and dangerous than the presence of terrorists in the US.
I am more worried about the number of utterly insane people who have guns and use them for crazy rampages as well as the amount of gang violence in my community than I am about terrorists from other countries. In my little corner of America, crazed gun-owners and gangs are much more dangerous.
"Yes we may need to give up a little freedom..."
Wow, really???
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)"We may need to give up a little freedom..."
Then a little more...then a little more...
Where do you draw the line at what is "enough?"
"For a safe and secure society..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Lo4cFViNLes
PDJane
(10,103 posts)Because they are lies, for the most part. It does, however, give them a handy reason to continue spying on you. I don't believe the "terrorist plot stopped" here, either. But here, it's a fine excuse for Harper to continue to ramp up the police state and pursue his bigoted and misogynist and corporatist agenda.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)We are paying a private corporation to gather data on us.
Fucking fascism isn't it?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Godspeed Mr. Snowden. I don't know if you're on he level or not, but you've opened so many eyes.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)For STANDING on your priniciples. Maybe our leaders in Washington, D.C. need to learn how to do the SAME DAMN THING!!
We Stand With Ed Snowden Facebook Page:
https://www.facebook.com/WeStandWithEdwardSnowden
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Mr. Snowden. I wonder if this topic came up in the talks between Obama and the Chinese. What do you want to bet it did. I wonder how much Obama offered for Snowden's life.
This situation is going to reveal Obama's character as no other could. We are about to see who Obama is.
This is an ultimate test for him as a human being.
Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)JoeyT
(6,785 posts)Want to talk about cowardice? Prosecuting whistleblowers while letting war criminals walk is cowardice.
drynberg
(1,648 posts)Edward Snowden is very patriotic, I admire him greatly and think his convictions are what may be our saving...if there's enough Patriots.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)Whistleblowing on something they claim doesn't exist?
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)and a very complex story. What I would like to see happen is a dozen more people coming forward to tell what they know. It would make it more difficult for Holder to deal with those numbers. Such an incestuous relationship between the government and contractors...and what are they protecting? American lives or American/global business interests? Methinks the latter.