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Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:15 PM

Programmer under oath admits computers rig elections

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Reply Programmer under oath admits computers rig elections (Original post)
Seedersandleechers Jun 2013 OP
NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #1
Coyotl Jun 2013 #55
midnight Jun 2013 #2
AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #3
Phlem Jun 2013 #9
99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #18
Sand Wind Jun 2013 #4
Tx4obama Jun 2013 #5
Enrique Jun 2013 #14
Tx4obama Jun 2013 #16
snot Jun 2013 #50
Coyotl Jun 2013 #56
Gin Jun 2013 #6
awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #17
Gin Jun 2013 #19
Cleita Jun 2013 #20
Gin Jun 2013 #21
midnight Jun 2013 #45
NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #26
KansDem Jun 2013 #7
Demeter Jun 2013 #11
Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #13
aquart Jun 2013 #24
AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #29
auntsue Jun 2013 #38
KansDem Jun 2013 #48
IdaBriggs Jun 2013 #46
KansDem Jun 2013 #47
IdaBriggs Jun 2013 #49
deutsey Jun 2013 #8
FreeBC Jun 2013 #10
jtuck004 Jun 2013 #36
usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #53
Javaman Jun 2013 #12
Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #15
Myrina Jun 2013 #22
Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #27
Myrina Jun 2013 #31
aquart Jun 2013 #23
penndragon69 Jun 2013 #25
AnnieK401 Jun 2013 #28
adieu Jun 2013 #30
Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #33
adieu Jun 2013 #37
eridani Jun 2013 #41
Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #43
MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #32
Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #34
MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #39
Cliff Arnebeck Jun 2013 #35
mckara Jun 2013 #40
Enthusiast Jun 2013 #42
NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #44
riqster Jun 2013 #51
Jenoch Jun 2013 #52
joanbarnes Jun 2013 #54
Wernothelpless Jun 2013 #57
cprise Jul 2013 #58

Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:21 PM

1. I love this story: Tom Feeney hired this programmer to write election fixing code in 2000...

 

Later on, in 2006, the code writer and witness in this clip, Clint Eugene Curtis, ran against Feeney.

Awkward!

Election fraud

Feeney's 2006 congressional opponent, Clint Curtis, has previously provided a sworn affidavit alleging that in October 2000, Feeney asked Curtis, then a computer programmer at Yang Enterprises, to design a computer program to falsify touch-screen voting results in Palm Beach County.[18][19] Curtis subsequently passed a polygraph test commissioned by a Washington, D.C. private investigator.[18] A Wired News story noted that Curtis had no direct knowledge of the vote counting software having been used in a public election.[20]

Feeney claimed that he has no recollection of even meeting Curtis; that he could not have engaged in such a scheme because Palm Beach County did not even consider obtaining touch screen machines until after the 2000 election; and that although Curtis wrote a book in the summer of 2004 accusing Feeney of a wide variety of misconduct, Curtis did not mention the alleged scheme to commit election fraud in the edition published prior to the 2004 election.[18]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Feeney#Election_fraud


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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 02:27 PM

55. Except for one thing, he did not make the admission asserted here.

 

There is no reason to bend the truth given the evidence!!!

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:25 PM

2. Source code needs to be written for all voters and not just the 1%.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:25 PM

3. Interesting story. It would be much more interesting if the elected officials would do something.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 04:11 PM

9. welcome to Murica

Where the rich get richer and the poor.......ah who gives a shit.

-p

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:26 PM

18. You mean "elected" officials I think

 

Gee, I wonder why they are not "doing something"

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:28 PM

4. Holly shit !,,,!

 

Not good to help people believe in the process, and for your Internationale reputation.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:28 PM

5. Video Published on YouTube on Apr 18, 2011 . I don't remember this being on the news.


When did the hearing take place?

Was it in Ohio or Florida?



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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:01 PM

14. in D.C>

it was a House of Representatives hearing.

This occurred in 2004. Curtis has run for office twice since then.

http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=9437

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Response to Enrique (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:13 PM

16. Thanks for the info :) n/t

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 01:54 PM

50. This & more info's been out there, but ignored by most DU'er's as well as the corp. media

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 02:28 PM

56. 2004 Conyers hearing. This is as old as Tamany Hall.

 

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:46 PM

6. With no paper trail.....a recount is not possible...

All they can do is run a report.

Disgusting.... VA uses touchscreen....easy to use....no paper trail. Grrrrrrrrrr


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Response to Gin (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:24 PM

17. Diebold makes cash registers and voting machines...

 

The difference? I can get a receipt when I buy tacos.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:29 PM

19. I agree.....when we first decided to use their machines I wrote and called all my

Legislators......they laughed at my concerns...grrrrrrrrr.



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Response to Gin (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:39 PM

20. Those were the days when we thought we could get our legislators to act responsibly and

with integrity. Nothing has been done in over a decade. They basically have laughed in our faces. I'm not hoping for anything these days.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:41 PM

21. Same here.....sometimes I think ignorance is bliss

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Response to Gin (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:15 AM

45. Gin, I bet they did- all the way to the bank...

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:58 PM

26. Even Gas Pumps and Postage Kiosks

 

can give a receipt, as well as a printed record of their transactions. So, you have to ask yourself...EVM's can't do this...careless design flaw, OR working as designed and intended? Seems pretty obvious to me.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:54 PM

7. Add this information...



When does the revolution begin?

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Response to KansDem (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 04:23 PM

11. If you look underneath the news---it already has

 

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Response to KansDem (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 04:38 PM

13. In Germany, if there is a difference of more than 1% b/w the actual vote and the exit polls they

will throw it out. So far they haven't had it happen yet as far as I know. The Bush IT guy was killed in his plane's crash before his deposition. He was the link b/w Rove/Bush and the Tn company that hacked the elections computers. They have been doing this and will keep doing it b/c mysteriously, the Democrats and Obama never complained and introduced measures to put the same safeguards as the credit card companies use.

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:44 PM

24. So many convenient accidents for BushCo.

Always wondered who did their wet work.

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Response to KansDem (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:07 PM

29. It's already over. They won.

 

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Response to KansDem (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:48 PM

38. Didn't I read that the Romney family

owned stock in voting machine companies????????????

And note the results are skewed in favor of Rep candidate Hmmmmmm ?

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Response to auntsue (Reply #38)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:41 AM

48. Here's a report from "Business Insider"

Here's The Truth About The Story About The Romneys Investing In The Company That Makes The Voting Machines

Conclusion:
But you've got to admit... The connection here is close enough that it creates, if not the appearance of impropriety, at least the appearance of the potential for impropriety.

Electronic voting machines are controversial. And in the past, at least, they have been blamed for some mysterious voting results, in Ohio and elsewhere.

The close connection between the Romneys, the Romney campaign, and the voting-machine company, therefore, looks bad, regardless of whether the Romney family-linked fund actually has a "direct or indirect" investment in the voting machine company.


Not the "appearance of impropriety" but the "appearance of the potential for impropriety."

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Response to KansDem (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:12 AM

46. I think this chart was what made me look at New Hampshire.

 

Isn't it from one of the old threads?

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Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #46)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:34 AM

47. Yes!



From November 5, 2004:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2612492

I've seen it a few times. Like on these sites:
http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1976.cfm
http://www.nogw.com/electionfraud.html

It's quite telling, yet no investigation?

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Response to KansDem (Reply #47)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:48 AM

49. We investigated New Hampshire (somewhat).

 

And, after talking to the Secretary of the State (who I think unofficially cleaned some stuff up), the entire state went "blue" the following election - in the case of the State House and State Senate, (I believe) it was the first time in over One Hundred Years.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 04:03 PM

8. Bookmarking

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 04:19 PM

10. All voting machine code should be open source

 

Open source code would not only be more transparent, it would be more secure.

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Response to FreeBC (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:44 PM

36. Oh hell no. You realize the election would never be held, right? There would be 47 different distros

 


new ones coming out during voting, and no one able to agree on anything, so everyone just goes off and does their own thing for free.

What government could contract for something like that?

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #36)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 02:27 AM

53. wouldn't matter, as long as they printed a voter verifiable ballot

 

and the code was open for all to see.

shoot, what do you think runs most of the internet?

and it runs pretty well, wouldn't you say.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 04:27 PM

12. I remember this well.

and sadly, nothing has changed.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:04 PM

15. Well, this is going to bring up some old mixed memories, thought I would be the first to post....

 

on what I see as a storm on the horizon here at DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x340188

Just to bring the newbies up to date.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:41 PM

22. Can you post the link please?

I would like to share this on FB but not savvy enough to find the actual link w/o searching all of youtube on my iphone.

Thanks!

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Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #27)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:21 PM

31. Thanks!!

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:42 PM

23. Duh.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:52 PM

25. This is old news

 

to everyone who has been paying attention since
electronic voting first started to be implemented.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:07 PM

28. This story was going around a lot last year

Although some people called me paranoid when I bought it up. And I'm talking about people on the left. There were those that said the Republicans (Rove) was too scared to try it again, or he was stopped by hackers. He did seem shocked that OH went for Obama, and the Republicans did seem very over confident.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:18 PM

30. There's a TEDTalk video

 

About a voting procedure that is hack proof. Conceptually, it works. It also helps to have all source code be open to inspection.

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Response to adieu (Reply #30)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:23 PM

33. Got a link?

 

My experience is that locks are only to keep honest people honest. Build a bigger mouse trap, then build a bigger mouse. Just saying.

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Response to adieu (Reply #37)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:21 AM

41. The very notion of an unhackable program is bullshit

The only way we can validate elections is by hand auditing of a paper trail. If Venezuela can do that, so can we.

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Response to eridani (Reply #41)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:42 AM

43. I concur eridani.

 

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:21 PM

32. My recent primary is suspect, and there is no paper trail

I recall this video.

This resulted in Florida having bubble in to be scanned, and it at least has a paper trail.

Meanwhile, where I am, we are stuck in this county having spent money (over my protest when the last county manager pushed it through) on iVotronic DRE's, which have NO PAPER TRAIL.

The question I have for anyone here is whether you've ever heard that a program can erase a candidate's name on the party's ticket (we have a closed primary, and there was a name that should have appeared, but didn't on "some" machine(s).

Anyone hear of a program that'll do that? I suspect some of what happened in different wards amounted to vote "flipping", but as I said, I've no real proof.

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Response to Rebellious Republican (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:07 AM

39. Thanks, RR... I put my question out there

I have had the book for years and didn't know they still had a board, so I'm putting it out there

This has been an even stranger 2nd decade, and I hope we'll get something out of "the fight" to understand why people stopped caring how they are led around not to vote, not to care if their vote counts, not to care who's representing them.

You get politically charged and run and no good deeds go unpunished sometimes... Maybe I'll figure it out.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:09 PM

35. Thanks for the memories . . .

Reverend Jesse Jackson asked US Rep John Conyers to convene a hearing on the 2004 election. Conyers asked where we wanted it, Washington or Columbus. I said, "In both places!"

The Washington hearing, December 6, 2008 I think, was covered by a great deal of media and C-Span with sterling representation from the Black Caucus in the House.

The Republicans controlling the Ohio Legislature would not permit Conyers ot conduct a heating at the Ohio State House, so a combination of Ohio Democrats from the state legislature and Columbus City Council arranged for us to use the Columbus City Council Chamber.

The next week Bob Fitrakis and I, accompanied by Rev. Jackson and Butch Wing, Rev. and Mrs. Bill Moss, our lead complainants filed the contest of the election at the Ohio Supreme Court. Ronnie Dugger convinced the PR person for the Ohio Supreme Court to let us use the Supreme Court press room for a press conference with the entire statehouse press corp. We then walked to City Hall, just down the street from the Ohio Supreme Court.

I announced that we had filed our contest and a motion to enjoin the scheduled meeting of the Ohio Electors. John Bonifaz gave a fiery speech, denouncing the scheduling of that meeting before the completion of the recount, as a blatant violation of law.

There was a long progression of witnesses before a joint panel of US House members, Ohio Legislators and Columbus City Council members. Then, Rev. Jackson asked me what happened to our dynamite witness. Conyers had informed his staff he would not preside over a hearing in which a member of the the US House Judiciary Committee, Tom Feeney, would be personally attacked. Rev. Jackson approached the dais and talked with the Chairman. Conyers then excused himself from the chair and the panel and was replaced by Charlita Tavaras, who is seen here in the video as chair of the hearing.

I called Clint Curtis and asked that he be sworn. The rest is what you see here: a pretty good and concise indictment of the regime of electronic voting machines in America.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:07 AM

40. How Can We Trust Anything?

 

When we know this is true.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:42 AM

42. Wake the fuck up, people!

Democracy is simply too dangerous to be trusted to the regular citizen. We might inadvertently elect the wrong person.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:05 AM

44. Moot point now but

 

I bet this was used to flip the Prop 8 vote in CA. I recall that polling just prior to the election showed Prop 8 losing 51 to 49, exit polling also showed it losing 51 to 49, and yet when the vote came in, miraculously it had passed 51 to 49. Just sayin'.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 02:27 PM

51. "Who votes, decides nothing."

"Who counts the votes, decides everything." (J. Stalin)

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:12 PM

52. This is why I am opposed to electronic voting.

 

Minnesota uses paper ballots. We have a tough enough time with those recounts because some people are too stupid to fill in an oval with an ink pen. A paper ballot leaves a trail.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 01:45 PM

54. This needs to go viral, though I knew it all along, the sheeple just don't want to believe it.

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 04:54 PM

57. Exactly what does "under oath" mean anymore? ...

I mean really ... our entire system of government is based on money and lies ...

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Response to Seedersandleechers (Original post)

Mon Jul 8, 2013, 12:47 AM

58. K&R

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