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Related: About this forumDid the agent in question ever testify about the actions in the video below on 11/22/63?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=XY02Qkuc_f8&feature=endscreen The comments section predictably turned into a war of words, with no one asking the obvious question-what the hell was going on there?Bozvotros
(785 posts)The rear shooter doesn't have to hit the target (although it is OK if he does), their main purpose is to drive the target away and into the real killing zone. Usually a crossfire. The use of a patsy to pin the assassination on was also well rehearsed. CIA was very busy devising assassination techniques in these days and were most concerned with commies or those not sufficiently anti communist. Kennedy's "weakness" during the Bay of Pigs and vocalizing his intent to pull back our "advisors" in Vietnam probably helped set up what happened in Dallas.
After all Vietnam was going to be the place where we were going to put the fear of God into the commies once and for all, since Korea didn't do the job. The CIA's Chief of Station in the 60's was William Colby who was rewarded with a promotion to Director of the CIA after his famous "Phoenix" program failed to intimidate the Vietcong despite some 20,000 brutal murders. The CIA also had a working relationship with the mob and had even used them in a failed attempt to assassinate Castro. They also had access to tons of the finest heroin in the world in Southeast Asia so they wouldn't need money to purchase their services. But this is all just nonsense. Even though the most experienced assassination plotters in the world were down in Dallas, it was just that crafty sharpshooting Oswald that did it.
villager
(26,001 posts)...in the 60's, always killing someone who just happened to be standing in the way of the 1%.
But those repeating patterns, benefiting the same small political cabal and special interests, mean nothing!
marble falls
(57,080 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)...to get things "back on track."
LeafyGeneva
(8 posts)Oakenshield
(614 posts)Excuse me for being skeptical, but I don't think some internal assassination plot would have have been so easy to detect.
abq e streeter
(7,658 posts)Oops.....
kath
(10,565 posts)what the hell was going on there?????? Gives me the creeps.
Did this episode ever come up in any of the hearings?
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)In the Warren Commission Report, vol 25 p 787, there is an exhibit regarding a statement from another agent (Henry Rybka) which led some people to believe that Henry Rybka was the agent in the film. Apparently, the Warren Commission viewed Rybka's statement as being sufficient.
Some additional confusion has been caused by those who have since said that JFK, in advance, ordered that the agents not to stand on the back of the car so that he could be closer to the crowd. In their view, the body language indicating Don Lawton's surprise when being told to stand down, his standing down, and the clear shot thereafter, was just a coincidence.
It's odd how some people will disregard physical evidence. Lawton's body language shows that he didn't anticipate being told to stand down.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)The Warren commission was not interested I am sure.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)made their big power grab. In my opinion, they were terrified that JFK would become another popular FDR-style president (even if he wouldn't be able to run as many times as FDR, which the right made sure would never happen again). Their attempt at a coup in the '30s that was exposed by Smedley Butler didn't work and they weren't going to let that happen again with JFK.
I think they over-reached in their power grab with Vietnam and they didn't anticipate the popular rebellion of the counterculture. By the mid-'70s, they were on the ropes.
That's when a revived reaction occurred on the right (the Powell memo is an artifact of that reaction), and they successfully regained power with Reagan. Aside from a few occasional bumps along the way, they've maintained and solidified that power into what we're all living under now.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)There has been a constant anti-middle class, anti-worker fervor on the part of the plutocrats since FDR.
From the "Business Plot" (Gen. Butler) through Korea and Vietnam, the assassinations of the 1960s, Nixon's downfall, Reagan and Iran-Contra, the Clinton impeachment, and finally Bush v. Gore and "Citizens United", we have been subjected to the anti-democratic ideals of the oligarchs. And I don't see it getting better anytime soon.
One important change that occurred during these decades is the use of "character assassination." I read an article several years ago describing how "the powers that be" moved from assassination to "character assassination" as a means of controlling the people. After JFK, MLK, and RFK, character assassination became the tool of choice: it was safer and less messy. Why murder a popular political opponent when you can put a Rush Limbaugh or Glen Beck on the air 24/7 to spew lies about someone you want "disappeared?" This became prevalent during the Reagan era and now acts as the main force for controlling public opinion.
Add to the mix electronic voting machines using secret proprietary codes as well as recent developments involving:
1. Massive domestic spying
2. Overturning parts of the "Voting Rights Act"
3. The TransPacific Partnership
...and we can be assured the plutocrats will be in power for some time to come.
It's really an ancient struggle that goes back at least to Athens where the polis fluctuated between democracy and oligarchic dictatorship.
Rome had its struggles between the Optimates and the Populares, complete with the assassinations of the Gracchus brothers, Populares reformers whose deaths remind a lot of people of JFK/RFK. Other Populares were assassinated, too, including Julius Caesar. Parenti's "people's history" of his physical and character assassination gives a good alternate view of why Caesar was killed.
As you point out, the plutocrats have much more power and many more resources at their disposal today. I'm not optimistic at all that they'll lose their grip on power any time soon, but one never knows...
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Some Useful Links For Those That May Have Interest
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/powell_memo_lewis/
http://billmoyers.com/content/the-powell-memo-a-call-to-arms-for-corporations/
http://law.wlu.edu/deptimages/Powell%20Archives/PowellMemorandumTypescript.pdf
orpupilofnature57
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orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Poppy ever figure out where he was that day ?
Boomerproud
(7,952 posts)Maybe Bar could jog his memory...
Rollin
(12 posts)cpwm17
(3,829 posts)In any major event there will be seemingly strange incidents that may seem relevant. A lot of things happened that day. By the laws of probability, a number of them can be construed as being part of a larger conspiracy. There is no real evidence of any conspiracy that day.
It is proven that Oswald shot JFK. The only evidence produced so far (in 50 years) is that he acted alone.