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Ukraine Spat: Poroshenko gets Humvees, Kolomoysky gets boot (Original Post) DeSwiss Mar 2015 OP
RT? Really? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #1
Love that picture Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #5
I thought it was so appropriate for this particular situation. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #6
Really??? That's all you have to argue your point, a little toon... mother earth Mar 2015 #10
If you think that's funny, you'll love this! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #16
I never thought it was funny, it is childish and so is this. You lack argument based on fact, so mother earth Mar 2015 #17
Maybe it's "being tolerated" because everyone but you is in on the joke? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #19
Yeah, keep drinking the kool-aid, you need to. nt mother earth Mar 2015 #21
TYT/Buzzfeed: "Russia's Online Troll Army Is Huge, Hilarious & Already Everywhere " Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #20
Or, you might just be paid opposition to RT. If they are so one-sided, you wonder why GoLeft TV or mother earth Mar 2015 #22
"Why GoLeft TV or Thom Hartmann continue to air their views there"? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #24
Sounds like your mantra. RT is no more evil or propagandist than our own MSM, plain and simple. mother earth Mar 2015 #27
Who's trying to "win you"? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #32
Yeah, I forgot, it's not about valid argument, it's about the TROLLING. nt mother earth Mar 2015 #33
Well, you probably know from "TROLLING" much better than me. Touche! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #35
No, I don't abuse posters, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit idly by and watch bullying for mother earth Mar 2015 #37
Oh, you haven't seen "abuse". Abuse is chronically posting from a well known Russian propaganda.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #39
This guy used to be an RT staple as well. Speaks to the quality of the network, doncha think? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #26
Score one. Perhaps there is hope. Now how about answering to the actual OP? Hey, Jones is a mother earth Mar 2015 #28
Ad hominems are what should be considered propaganda. Useful when the facts presented can not be argued. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #31
rt stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #2
That's the argument? Really? Thanks, stonecutter, you are too cute for words. nt mother earth Mar 2015 #11
that's all it is worth stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #44
It all just a game for them... MattSh Mar 2015 #48
Looks like you've been doing this too much... MattSh Mar 2015 #50
more RT bull Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #3
You agree with this I suppose? Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #4
I want to know if we are allowed to post RT videos or not? And if we are, why are those who do mother earth Mar 2015 #7
RT might actually have some good content Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #8
So, what does that actually mean? Is there a rule against posting RT, or is it mother earth Mar 2015 #9
so you are calling me a troll? Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #12
Are you participating in trolling? When you have nothing to offer in support of an actual argument mother earth Mar 2015 #13
nope nt Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #14
Not surprised, trolling is about disruption, nothing more, not ever. nt mother earth Mar 2015 #15
Of the 42 responses....... DeSwiss Mar 2015 #43
Of the 48 replies... MattSh Mar 2015 #49
Not one valid argument against the OP, all of it is childish attempts at preventing other DU'ers mother earth Mar 2015 #18
How does one effectively argue with propagandist bullshit? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #23
Have you ever heard of offering a valid countering argument based on fact? Your words only continue mother earth Mar 2015 #25
I'll take my propanganda homegrown, thank you. I don't need it imported from behind an iron curtain. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #29
Again, you are blowing smoke, at least you admit you like propaganda, and prefer it. nt mother earth Mar 2015 #30
Have a good one! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #34
No, don't go away, win this one, or are you going for some homegrown propaganda viewing? mother earth Mar 2015 #36
Yup, I'm off to do some "viewing". I'll let you know what I find out. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #38
You are just as bad as your toon, bullying at DU over RT is so pathetic, that is what mother earth Mar 2015 #40
We agree one thing, "abusers" should be shown the door. You've called several posters "trolls" Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #41
I'm so happy. Putin must be winning, otherwise he wouldn't be seen as a threat with RT, even mother earth Mar 2015 #42
fuck Putin. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #45
"Putin must be winning"? What exactly? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #46
Sadly... MattSh Mar 2015 #47

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
17. I never thought it was funny, it is childish and so is this. You lack argument based on fact, so
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:30 PM
Mar 2015

therefore, you are simply trolling. I don't understand why this is being tolerated, but have at it.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,254 posts)
19. Maybe it's "being tolerated" because everyone but you is in on the joke?
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:38 PM
Mar 2015


RT (founded as "Russia Today&quot is a Russian state-funded television network which runs cable and satellite television channels, as well as Internet content directed to audiences outside the Russian Federation. RT International, which is based in Moscow, presents around-the-clock news bulletins, documentaries, talk shows, and debates, as well as sports news and cultural programs about Russia.[3] RT operates as a multilingual service with channels in three languages; the original English language channel was launched in 2005. The Arabic language Rusiya Al-Yaum was launched in 2007, while its Spanish language channel RT Actualidad was launched in 2009. RT America (since 2010),[4] and RT UK (since 2014) offer some locally based content for those countries.

RT is a brand of "TV-Novosti", an "autonomous non-profit organization", founded by the Russian news agency RIA Novosti on April 6, 2005.[1][5] During the economic crisis in December 2008, the Russian Government included ANO "TV-Novosti" in the list of core organisations of strategic importance of Russia.[6][7][8]

RT has been called a propaganda outlet for the Russian government[9][10][11][12] and its foreign policy,[9][10][13][14][15][16][17][18][19] by former Russian officials,[20][21][22] and by news reporters,[23] including former RT reporters.[24][25][26] It has also been accused of spreading disinformation.[20][27][28][29][30] The United Kingdom media regulator Ofcom has threatened RT with sanctions because of repeated violations of its rules on impartiality.[31] The network states that RT offers a Russian perspective on global events.[32]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)

Tarheel_Dem

(31,254 posts)
20. TYT/Buzzfeed: "Russia's Online Troll Army Is Huge, Hilarious & Already Everywhere "
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:41 PM
Mar 2015


"Moscow is financing legions of pro-Russia Internet commenters. But how much do they matter?"

"Russia's campaign to shape international opinion around its invasion of Ukraine has extended to recruiting and training a new cadre of online trolls that have been deployed to spread the Kremlin's message on the comments section of top American websites.


This may be another reason for the cynicism directed at RT and its devotees?

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
22. Or, you might just be paid opposition to RT. If they are so one-sided, you wonder why GoLeft TV or
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:43 PM
Mar 2015

Thom Hartmann continue to air their views there. But, hey, have another glass of Kool-Aid, if that's what gets you through your trolling agenda here.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,254 posts)
24. "Why GoLeft TV or Thom Hartmann continue to air their views there"?
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:49 PM
Mar 2015

I would answer that, but I'd probably get banned. Ever hear the saying..."any port in a storm"?

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
27. Sounds like your mantra. RT is no more evil or propagandist than our own MSM, plain and simple.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:54 PM
Mar 2015

I truly wish it were otherwise. But the OP's I see posted here have valid worth. You don't win favor by acting like little hitlers carrying pitchforks.

I'd be far more inclined to be won over by a valid argument, guess you don't have one, specifically to the actual OP.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
37. No, I don't abuse posters, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit idly by and watch bullying for
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:04 PM
Mar 2015

enjoyment. Those posters who bully for sport should be ousted.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,254 posts)
39. Oh, you haven't seen "abuse". Abuse is chronically posting from a well known Russian propaganda....
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:07 PM
Mar 2015

outlet. That's "abuse". Ever wonder why RT isn't allowed in LBN?

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
28. Score one. Perhaps there is hope. Now how about answering to the actual OP? Hey, Jones is a
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:55 PM
Mar 2015

guest on many MSM channels...so I guess, there goes that little win.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
31. Ad hominems are what should be considered propaganda. Useful when the facts presented can not be argued.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:57 PM
Mar 2015

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
48. It all just a game for them...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 02:08 PM
Mar 2015

Who the hell cares about the truth or how many people die, just as long as Obama gets to look good.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
7. I want to know if we are allowed to post RT videos or not? And if we are, why are those who do
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 02:26 PM
Mar 2015

subjected to constant and unrelenting harassment?

I don't want any trolling answers or further harassment for this honest question.

This is beyond sickening and I want to know why it is tolerated.

Please let DU'ers know if we are going against any kind of rule on discussion here by posting RT videos.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
8. RT might actually have some good content
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:39 PM
Mar 2015

Rarely but they are off the chart propaganda and actually do not come close to the truth on most Ukrainian stories. So bad in fact it is not a reputable sourse for LBN. People are just calling out the crap they post and have many stories discredited in the past like all of the MH17 stories.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
9. So, what does that actually mean? Is there a rule against posting RT, or is it
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:29 PM
Mar 2015

that there is just a faction here who believe they are not reliable?

If there is no rule against RT, there should not be a trolling effect. The fact that these OP's are generally latched onto by the same posters speaks volumes.

I think, if you believe something is unreliable, it is incumbent upon you to produce the proof that is such.
Otherwise, you should shut up or put up.

There is such a thing as freedom of speech, but here it seems intolerable to allow for differing opinions.
I am left wondering why that is so.

Produce the real proof that each RT video you so deem as propaganda, is so. Otherwise, the propaganda is in the trolling of these OP's.

If rules are being broken, show us the rule, if not, then you are trolling because of a belief you hold, which may not be based on fact.
Show me the proof. Too many are tired of these antics, and so far, that is all they are, little doggies laughing? Seriously, dudes, you need to get a grip and have an argument, or we'll have to drag out the little kitties laughing back.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
12. so you are calling me a troll?
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:52 PM
Mar 2015

there is no such rule as far as I know for this group. There is also no such rule for what you state "if you believe something is unreliable, it is incumbent upon you to produce the proof that is such."

There is such a thing as freedom of speech


I agree, why do you want to prevent our speech?

We can post as long as it meets the SOP's and DU standards, correct?

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
13. Are you participating in trolling? When you have nothing to offer in support of an actual argument
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:56 PM
Mar 2015

that differs from an OP, than that is EXACTLY what you are doing, trolling. Look it up the definition. It's a no brainer.
If you have an opposing and factual argument, back it up and and offer it, or just avoid these OP's you feel are offensive for whatever your reasoning is. It's just a point of fact, nothing new under the sun. If the argument is misguided, show us where it is so.

Otherwise, you look like a group of drive by trolls, sorry if you find that offensive. But it is what it is, and what is actually being observed in your total lack of a viable argument.

I don't want to prevent your freedom of speech, but I'm not into innuendo and bullying for the sake of lack of actual fact based argument. Get me?

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
43. Of the 42 responses.......
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:13 PM
Mar 2015

...yours is the only ones I see.

That's the answer. Ignoring ignorance and inappropriate behavior is one of the first lessons I learned as a parent in child-rearing and it worked equally as well many years before that, when I was as a counselor for troubled youths in the correction system.

I don't reward people who have a singularly limited perspective by feeding into their delusions of grandeur and supposed superior perspectives. I used to do that a long time ago but I finally realized its a waste of time trying to communicate with some people. The programming is hardwired-in and will require a complete wipe before they can be retrained in the art of humanity.

When I developed PN, I knew I had to ''Ignore'' these people or leave. My nervous system can no longer take the stupidity and narrow mindedness because it physically pains me to do so. Such ignorance and limited vision. Gah! It's like trying to explain something to a toddler who keeps asking ''Why?'' Because nothing's getting through.

The funny thing is, I couldn't care less about Putin anymore than Obama and his antics. What I do care about is the fact that Russia is a huge block in the road for the assholes running this planet into the ground. And so I applaud the fact that Putin is giving us the time we need for people to wake the fuck up. If we don't, then fuck it is how I feel about it. Like the dinosaurs, we will have had our shot and it didn't stick.

- At least we had a choice.........

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
18. Not one valid argument against the OP, all of it is childish attempts at preventing other DU'ers
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:34 PM
Mar 2015

from posting anything from RT. When is this going to be realized for the disruptive bullying it is?

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
25. Have you ever heard of offering a valid countering argument based on fact? Your words only continue
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:51 PM
Mar 2015

this joke that RT has no validity? Reality check...you offer no valid arguments, you have no validity or credibility. RT is not all propaganda, our MSM does offer propaganda, are they less valid to you? I'm thinking no, so you really do need a reality check.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
40. You are just as bad as your toon, bullying at DU over RT is so pathetic, that is what
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:08 PM
Mar 2015

you are completely oblivious to. So SAD.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,254 posts)
41. We agree one thing, "abusers" should be shown the door. You've called several posters "trolls"
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:11 PM
Mar 2015

just in this thread, and we love you for it. Don't ever change.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
42. I'm so happy. Putin must be winning, otherwise he wouldn't be seen as a threat with RT, even
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:14 PM
Mar 2015

when RT is airing US journos, make sure you look under the bed tonight, his paid spies are everywhere according to what I've learned from you.

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
47. Sadly...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 02:02 PM
Mar 2015

DU is a microcosm of 'Merica these days. Disruptive bullying is all the rage, from both the right and the so-called left.

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