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Hillary Clinton's Poll Numbers Falling AMONG DEMOCRATS (Original Post) circlethesquare Jun 2015 OP
When given the choice between a real democrat and a fake democrat... Fearless Jun 2015 #1
Absolutely no sense of irony BainsBane Jun 2015 #3
democrat and Democrat are different words. Yet you're still wrong on both counts. Fearless Jun 2015 #4
The Democratic Party is a political party, not an ideology BainsBane Jun 2015 #5
And real democrats abhore third way Democrats like Hillary. Fearless Jun 2015 #7
Harry Truman was a wise man, yes? :D roguevalley Jun 2015 #8
Let's assume for the sake of argument that Clinton wins the nomination. olegramps Jun 2015 #18
You assume a lot. How did 2008 turn out? Fearless Jun 2015 #19
Hilary lost the nomination and embraced Obama for the presidency. olegramps Jun 2015 #20
Hillary lost then and will lose this time. Fearless Jun 2015 #21
Read My Lips - The Reason for Hillary's Falling Poll Numbers is Bernie Sanders! panfluteman Jun 2015 #2
in the election one only needs about 52% of votes depending on electoral college nt msongs Jun 2015 #6
or 49% if you have a brother who's governor of a battleground state groundloop Jun 2015 #9
!!! stuffmatters Jun 2015 #15
All this 'fake Democrat' talk is getting ridiculous.... I get that many don't like Hillary groundloop Jun 2015 #10
Its the "Bernie" effect zebonaut Jun 2015 #11
Thank you , Jesus. Hoppy Jun 2015 #12
Here's the South Park reference at the end NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #13
Ooohhh, you better be careful…. MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #14
Not to mention post 7 includes the word "abhore". Divernan Jun 2015 #16
And… misconception is no defense, either! MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #17

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
3. Absolutely no sense of irony
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jun 2015

that you are referring to someone who isn't even in the Democratic Party as a "real Democrat," and a long-time Democrat as a fake one. I understand this is unacceptable to many here, but the party is not comprised of 200 people on the internet. Nor is it defined by your mirror. It is everyone who registers as a Democrat or regularly votes Democrat.

Now, if you mean liberal or leftist, you should say that, but "real Democrats" are members of the party. Sanders purposefully chose not to become a Democrat and therefore doesn't self-identify as such but rather calls himself a socialist.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
4. democrat and Democrat are different words. Yet you're still wrong on both counts.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 03:55 PM
Jun 2015

A democratic socialist is a democrat.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
5. The Democratic Party is a political party, not an ideology
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 04:06 PM
Jun 2015

I am not wrong on both counts. Yes, Democrat and democrat are different words; you have a point there. However that phrase is invoked often around here in ways that excludes the majority of the population from consideration as part of a party, a party some of the same people who use that phrase say they will not support if they don't get their way with the nomination. Real Democrats" do not support Third Party candidates like Nader or Jill Stein or Republicans like Rand Paul. Those are swing voters. Real Democrats are members of the party and reliable Democratic voters.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
18. Let's assume for the sake of argument that Clinton wins the nomination.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:49 PM
Jun 2015

It appears to me that Bernie Sanders could attract a significant number of write-in votes resulting in the election of someone, at this stage most probably Bush, as president. It could also result in a loss of senate and house votes. I wonder just what the reaction will be of all those who seem to be so opposed to Hilary Clinton. If this should be the scenario then you can kiss any hope for the middle class a long goodbye. The greatly feared ultra-capitalists will make mincemeat out of the unions and outsource every damn job that they can.

Lets say that Clinton is a so-called Third Way Democrat. Is everything concerning corporations evil? I would be inclined to say that unregulated corporations are a threat, but certainly were asset in the past when unions were able to provide them with compassion and fair play that restricts their determination to maximize profits at any cost. The repeal of regulations was a major blunder that neglected to comprehend their innate determination to maximize profits. I see Clinton as someone who has realized this and would not make the same choices. Remember that the repeal of the regulations came to the presidents desk with overwhelming Democratic support.

The many young workers who were entering the work force during this period were convinced that unions were their enemy rather that their only hope for fair treatment. The massive campaign by the corporations and local and national business organization stigmatized as unions as being corrupt and controlled solely by gangsters. A minority were guilty, but all were regarded as guilty.

I saw union membership plunge and the table set for so-called Right-to-Work laws enacted in state after state often in areas of the South where workers would within a decade were working for minimal wages. The workers bought the corporate propaganda hook, line and sinker that unions were evil and the were the actual protector of worker. The protected them alright. They sent the machinery along with their outsourced jobs to starvation wage countries, cut their pensions and cancelled their health care.

Good luck with the campaign to destroy Hilary. You may not cherish the results.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
20. Hilary lost the nomination and embraced Obama for the presidency.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:08 AM
Jun 2015

That's what happened. I would hope that every Democrat would pledge to support the Party's nominee. It certainly isn't an assumption that some progressives on this board have stated that if she is nominated that will not support her. The vitriol being spread on this board against Clinton certainly reveals that if she is chosen many would have a difficult time supporting her. I hope that isn't the case, but it is a distinct possibility given intensity of the hatred that has been displayed.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
21. Hillary lost then and will lose this time.
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 07:34 PM
Jun 2015

When less than 45% of independents like her, she cannot win a general election.

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
2. Read My Lips - The Reason for Hillary's Falling Poll Numbers is Bernie Sanders!
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 03:52 PM
Jun 2015

And Bernie's doing exactly what they said - he's showing Democratic and progressive independent voters that she's NOT the most progressive and populist candidate out there! This 2016 presidential race could turn out to be somewhat of a rerun of the 2008 duel between two candidates for the Democratic nomination - with Bernie taking the place of Barack Obama. That would give the lady who plays Hillary on Saturday Night Live a lot of good material! Poor Hillary - what is this strange and persistent bad karma she seems to have with presidential politics?

groundloop

(11,519 posts)
10. All this 'fake Democrat' talk is getting ridiculous.... I get that many don't like Hillary
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:30 PM
Jun 2015

I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter, but I'll say that Hillary has just as much right to run for the Democratic nomination as anyone. I refuse to tear down Hillary or any else running for the Democratic nomination - I think it's more productive to take the high road and state why I think Bernie will be the better nominee.

And as far as the OP, yes, it's perfectly logical that Hillary's share of the vote would be declining now that Bernie is gaining traction and getting more face time with the media. Whether he makes it past 50% remains to be seen, but it's a perfectly logical circumstance in any election cycle.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
14. Ooohhh, you better be careful….
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 06:35 PM
Jun 2015

That reference to a "douche" is going to somehow be interpreted to the point of ridiculousness…

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
16. Not to mention post 7 includes the word "abhore".
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:39 PM
Jun 2015

And you know what word that rhymes with! And misspelling the word is no defense!

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