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antigop

(12,778 posts)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:50 AM Oct 2015

Democracy Now: A CIA tie to JFK Assassination? Book on Ex-Director Allen Dulles Questions

Agency's Role
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/10/19/a_cia_tie_to_jfk_assassination

David Talbot, author of "The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government," re-examines what happened in Dallas on November 22, 1963, and looks at John F. Kennedy’s relationship with his former CIA director. "The weekend of Kennedy’s assassination, Allen Dulles is not at home watching television like the rest of America," Talbot said. "He’s at a remote CIA facility, two years after being pushed out of the agency by Kennedy, called The Farm, in northern Virginia, that he used when he was director of the CIA as a kind of an alternate command post." Talbot also asks why the agency has refused to publicly release travel documents of CIA officials officials who have been identified for having a possible role in Kennedy’s death.
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Democracy Now: A CIA tie to JFK Assassination? Book on Ex-Director Allen Dulles Questions (Original Post) antigop Oct 2015 OP
Well, the problem with JFK assassination theories is the forensic evidence. longship Oct 2015 #1
Who was Lee Harvey Oswald? Downwinder Oct 2015 #2
I think that was addressed by Gerald Posner in "Case Closed" longship Oct 2015 #3
Falsified info, and info that is simply dead wrong. Archae Oct 2015 #4
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longship

(40,416 posts)
1. Well, the problem with JFK assassination theories is the forensic evidence.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:29 AM
Oct 2015

Which pretty much shows that Lee Harvey Oswald was the only shooter in Dallas who shot JFK and Governor Connelly. There might have been a thousand shooters elsewhere, but the shots that made the difference came from the Texas Book Depositary building.

There is no doubt that Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK and Connelly. If one has a conspiracy theory that disputes that one must first falsify the forensic evidence, which is fairly characterized as indisputable. That is unless one just makes shit up.

I read Mark Lane's Rush to Judgement when it was first published in the 60's. He made, what appeared to be a compelling argument. But, what I learned by studying these kind of JFK arguments over the years is that there really is no coherent argument that Oswald was not the sole shooter on that day, and all of the forensic and circumstantial evidence points to only Oswald.

Now many claim that Oswald was part of a grand conspiracy -- his death by the hand of Jack Ruby certainly seemed like a silencing. However, if one looks closely at Oswald and Ruby, one sees not two people part of a grand conspiracy, but a couple of real losers.

One cannot put forth a JFK assassination grand conspiracy without responding to both the indisputable forensic evidence and the psychology of Oswald and indeed Ruby.

Historic events are often messy affairs. However, when one analyses such things, one should not make shit up. There is no doubt that Oswald shot JFK. Whether he was a part of a conspiracy may very well be a question. However, the JFK conspiracy theorists seem to see shooters from all sides, e.g., the grassy knoll, when it is clear that no such thing happened.

Let's start with the indisputable fact that Oswald was the only shooter and move forward.

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. I think that was addressed by Gerald Posner in "Case Closed"
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 12:16 PM
Oct 2015

He focussed on Oswald in order to find the truth. As he said, when one pitches a book to ones publisher about the JFK assassination, spends a couple of years on it and what one determines is that the Warren Commission basically got it right, that might not be the best strategy to take.

But Posner does get it right. He follows the forensic evidence which is indisputable. And he delves deeply into Oswald, and why he might have done this. Yup! Ruby's action does seem like a silencing. But then one has to connect Oswald with other influences. Posner's argument is that Oswald was the iconic loner, as has often been the assassin.

Plus, a lot of the JFK conspiracy arguments are based on falsified info.

Archae

(46,326 posts)
4. Falsified info, and info that is simply dead wrong.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 03:09 PM
Oct 2015

The most notorious being the "magic bullet" theory, based on a drawing of a normal 1950's or 1960's 4-seat car.

Except the drawing is false.
Connoly was sitting in a removable "jump seat," which was lower than the back seat.

And from the Zapruder film itself, Kennedy's and Connoly's positions can be clearly seen, and the bullet path lines up.

And the bullet is not only not "magic" it's not "pristine."
It's flattened on the side, the way a bullet that was tumbling and hit sideways would do.

It does sound implausible, at first.
If someone said to me in 1976, that the President elected in 1980 would get shot and badly wounded by a nutcase, who had been in and out of mental hospitals, with a cheap pawnshop gun, I'd say that's crazy. It just couldn't happen.
But it did.

Just as in 1963 a loser who had grandiose visions of himself and hated Kennedy due to being a die-hard ultra-leftist, killed Kennedy.

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