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(5,902 posts)It's pretty safe to say that by now they just look and laugh.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
appalachiablue
(41,399 posts)Yallow
(1,926 posts)No guarantee she won't switch once she is nominated if elected.
It is us.
Not Bernie.
appalachiablue
(41,399 posts)have been courageous inspirers of this movement which will continue on.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)If Hillary wins the GE...we most definitely need to take a stand to fight for change and push Hillary for change, no matter how much she may want to ignore us.
Don't let Bernie's defeat (and I pray that does not happen), be our defeat.
We need to push Hillary to the left on every issue, as much as she will resist it... and we all know she will.
We have to keep up the fight that Bernie started! We have to make a difference, or otherwise, what was the fucking point of all this?
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)We'll just be f'in retards again who have nowhere else to go, and should be grateful to not have a Republican in the White House.
That movie is tired, got tired of it over 20 years ago.
Now we have extreme cliimate change, a ticking clock on our future. No sign from the establishment Democrats that they are up to the challenge, or even all that interested in it, since their donors aren't.
And they certainly won't be pushed into serious action about corporate campaign money, they're addicted to it and it's the only way they know to get elected.
I agree that if she wins we have to be more determined than ever to push back on the triangulation and the corporatism that will follow, but she hasn't won yet, let's not construct a fantasy of holding her accountable, because we know how that goes.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)that we can't let all of this go to waste if Bernie doesn't win.
As much as we all love Bernie, I don't think this was ever about him, it's about getting representaion for populist left positions, which we never have.
We should be thinking and talking about how to sustain it outside of the Bernie campaign. Running or supporting other clean candidates, forming a new caucus inside the Democratic Party? One that swears off corporate money? Open to ideas...
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)See this post below, I glossed over what was perhaps your main point. Peace.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017308571#post15
MasonDreams
(756 posts)It can happen! We must make it so!
Like a Phoenix from the ashes.
ALL TOGETHER NOW ALLTOGETHERNOW ALL TO GE THER NOW
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)the big money bribes and if we don't support him we all lose, and we have to be careful about the Senators and Representatives as well there are already left libertarians in Congress as Democratic.
You can identify them by their web pages. Take a look at Wyden in Oregon versus Merkel. One a liberal Democratic Merkel, one a new lefty libertarian Democratic, Wyden.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Some of the best I have seen. I hope they are used in Bernie's campaign ads.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)We sure could use some of that vibrant democracy stuff instead of a stolen election that will result in decades of destruction. Just a guess. I know it hasn't been decades......yet.
azmom
(5,208 posts)He WILL fight for our causes.