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Nyan

(1,192 posts)
Wed May 11, 2016, 07:57 PM May 2016

Jon Stewart: "Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe a real person doesn't exist underneath there"




Kyle's rant following Jon Stewart's comments is nothing new if you subscribe to Secular Talk, but Jon Stewart's comments at the beginning of the clip are a must-see. This is exactly the kind of comment you'd expect from Jon Stewart regarding Hillary Clinton.

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Jon Stewart: "Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe a real person doesn't exist underneath there" (Original Post) Nyan May 2016 OP
The weird thing EdwardBernays May 2016 #1
I'm so old I remember 840high May 2016 #16
Expressed my sentiments exactly RufusTFirefly May 2016 #21
It's Authoritarian Adulation. nm rhett o rick May 2016 #42
missing Jon emsimon33 May 2016 #2
Me too beltanefauve May 2016 #8
Stopped watching after Trevor didn't improve emsimon33 May 2016 #18
I love Trevor. Android3.14 May 2016 #36
I have an all-encompassing descriptor Plucketeer May 2016 #3
Spot on. n/t chervilant May 2016 #4
Covers... kadaholo May 2016 #6
Perfect. 840high May 2016 #17
It's telling that some of the people who know her best ... RufusTFirefly May 2016 #28
Jon Stewart sees the same thing we see. senz May 2016 #5
I see it, and I wonder also. Duval May 2016 #7
Olbermann Joe Shlabotnik May 2016 #11
Perfect! nt Plucketeer May 2016 #15
Oh my, passiveporcupine May 2016 #19
Bill wasn't all bad for her....if she overlooked his "flaws" virtualobserver May 2016 #20
She didn't overlook his "flaws" arikara May 2016 #40
Clinton has a well connected clique of friends... JPnoodleman May 2016 #25
K&R Joe Shlabotnik May 2016 #9
damn jon. retrowire May 2016 #10
This guy names zentrum May 2016 #12
Right around the :15 mark is where Jon Stewart got banned from the Hillary Clinton group. Gene Debs May 2016 #13
OK, that was funny! passiveporcupine May 2016 #22
She's 100% politician 100% of the time mountain grammy May 2016 #14
It'll help me if she'd show them from time to time. Nyan May 2016 #23
You can't redeem sending children back into a war zone. Kalidurga May 2016 #27
OH I've Tried Not To Comment Here... But ChiciB1 May 2016 #24
I agree with Jon Stewart. There is no there to Hillary Clinton. JDPriestly May 2016 #26
Big ole bag of NOPE. Flatpicker May 2016 #29
Excellent commentary! And excellent clip of Jon Stewart! Peace Patriot May 2016 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author carolinayellowdog May 2016 #44
This should be an OP. Nyan May 2016 #45
Who the f&@k is that guy? Canoe52 May 2016 #31
Google him if you're curious. Nyan May 2016 #33
Of course I googled him, silly person, Canoe52 May 2016 #41
If I knew where she actually stood on the issues it'd be much easier to vote for her. PoliticalMalcontent May 2016 #32
Jon has it right as usual. BillZBubb May 2016 #34
Oh, why is the Hill like this? Dunno. This not only saddens me, but makes me just sick. However, downeastdaniel May 2016 #35
Kicked and recommended! I agree with everything he said. Enthusiast May 2016 #37
The frustrating part is that we sorely need a female president - TBF May 2016 #38
Time for HRC people to throw Jon Stewart under the bus. Feeling the Bern May 2016 #39
I think they've thrown everyone that dares speak truth to power, under the bus years ago. rhett o rick May 2016 #43

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
1. The weird thing
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:06 PM
May 2016

Is that everyone in the world that's paid even the slightest attention to her sees this easily. She could hardly be more inauthentic of inconsistent or... Well I'll stop there.

The point is - everyone sees this except her faithful. Which is weird.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
21. Expressed my sentiments exactly
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:53 PM
May 2016

It's what Larry Beinhart would call a "fog fact," something that most people know but no one reports on.

beltanefauve

(1,784 posts)
8. Me too
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:12 PM
May 2016

I'm fed up with Trevor Noah. He's all-Trump-all-the-time, which makes him no better than the gang at MSNBC.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
36. I love Trevor.
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:27 AM
May 2016

The guy is doing a great job and making the show his own while honoring the intent of Stewart's vision.

I laugh out loud several times each episode.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
28. It's telling that some of the people who know her best ...
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:24 PM
May 2016

... want to have nothing to do with her:

Robert Reich: Served in the Clinton cabinet and has known Hillary since they were both in college. He's a Bernie supporter

Marian Wright Edelman: Founder of the Children's Defense Fund and Hillary's "mentor" has unceremoniously distanced herself from Hillary's politics. Ouch!

It's sad, really. And I'd be inclined to be more sympathetic, except for the fact that she's selfishly dragging the whole country down with her. For once, it's not about Hillary. It's about the fate of the country.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
5. Jon Stewart sees the same thing we see.
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:41 PM
May 2016

So many people see it. Makes me wonder, how did she get so far on so little?

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
7. I see it, and I wonder also.
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:02 PM
May 2016

I miss Jon Stewart but it would be even better if we had Keith Olbermann, too.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
40. She didn't overlook his "flaws"
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:11 PM
May 2016

she enabled them. I think because it was all about Hillary and Bill was her route to get to where she is today.

JPnoodleman

(454 posts)
25. Clinton has a well connected clique of friends...
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:01 PM
May 2016

At the end of the day she is close friends with most of the DNC inner circle, the Clinton brand and dynasty is strong in the Democratic party and she has a lot of big donor, and media allies.

To put it lightly, she has a strong institutional support and the Clinton Dynasty at her back which is no small matter. Even to have so badly wounded her, and still have potential to win (However slim). She is...... well its hard to say what she is other than someone seeking power. In a sense I'd compare her to Petyr Baelish of the Song of Ice and Fire books. She understands power and what power brings and wants it.

But, her anemic performance reveals her inherent weakness with people not invested emotionally in the DNC. Her main appeal is she is a Clinton who has institutional support. Plus the fear of a Trump presidency and Republican government. Even with that and all she has she does poorly, winning Democrats largely on the "I am a Clinton," message. Which again, is no small thing.

Sanders has grievously wounded her, he may yet even best her, and that is a testament to her nature and how obvious it is to many people. Even with every possible advantage, and an opposition more reviled than most things, even cartoonishly hated, she still struggles.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
12. This guy names
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:26 PM
May 2016

…..every single issue I have with her. Throw in LIbya and what the Foundation did to Haiti—and her squirminess on social security and the indictment is complete.

mountain grammy

(26,472 posts)
14. She's 100% politician 100% of the time
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:39 PM
May 2016

But underneath I do believe she has redeeming qualities, at least that's what I hear from people who's opinions I respect and value.

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
23. It'll help me if she'd show them from time to time.
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:56 PM
May 2016

I don't doubt she must have redeeming qualities, and I don't think she's fundamentally dishonest like so many RW talking heads would have us believe. The problem is I don't know what kind of person she really is, because she wouldn't let it show.
But ultimately, it's not about her. You have to care most about the consequences of actions taken by people with a lot of power in their hands. Those consequences are what matters in the end, and that should speak volumes about a person's character -I have to assume that anybody who laughs about killing a leader of the country is unstable, and sick inside.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
24. OH I've Tried Not To Comment Here... But
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:56 PM
May 2016

Jon Stewart says it like no other person can. The powerful and THIS Democratic Party knows it too. I won't go on.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
29. Big ole bag of NOPE.
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:56 PM
May 2016

I don't get Hillary.
This Hillary in 2016 is the wrong person for where we need to be.

Her 1993 self was more forward thinking than the 2016 version.

She sold her soul so many times already that what may have been genuinely her has been lost.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
30. Excellent commentary! And excellent clip of Jon Stewart!
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:01 PM
May 2016

With Clinton, there is no there there.

It was Gertrude Stein who said that--"there is no there there"--when she was on a return visit to the Bay Area, and was looking for her childhood home in Oakland, CA, a home with lots of acreage, lawns and gardens, surrounded by orchards and farms. It was now covered over with new homes. The "there" of her childhood home was gone.

Clinton is not rooted to any place. She is not OF any place or its people or its critters. She is a transglobal jet setter who now hangs with people like Bush, Kissinger and Trump. She is, like them, now, a multi-billionaire. The 1% has made her and she is a member of their global non-country with loyalty to no one but this sky-born royalty that touches down on earth for business, luxury recreation and sketching out their plans, such as "The Project For a New American Century."

No there there. There is nothing to be discovered there of high ideals, of democratic principles, of good government, though quite a bit of substance can be found there, of greed and mass murder. But evil empties the soul, in the end.

I believed for awhile, through Bill Clinton's administration anyway, that as a citizen of a country doing evil in the world, it was perhaps best to have clever, wily, corrupt people running things, so long as they had some loyalty, some minimal feeling of obligation, to the rest of us, and provided some sops to us, like little incremental raises to the minimum wage. 25 cents an hour can mean a lot to the very poor. Simple, honest people couldn't handle the "Beltway" snake pit. It took the corrupt to handle the corrupt. It's also called "the lesser of two evils." But I mean a bit more than this. I mean the "lesser evil" needs to be smart and a real maneuverer and wheel-dealer and con man. Clinton was all of those things, so I voted for him (not having any choice), thinking of that 25 cents an hour more for the poorest of the poor.

I considered this thought about Hillary Clinton. While Bernie Sanders is far from simple, as an intellect, he does like simple living and is as honest as the clear blue sky. Could he snake his way through the vipers' nest of Washington DC, to get anything done? Could he survive it, let alone reform it? Hillary Clinton has these wily, conniving qualities I'm talking about. I could even maybe (maybe!) forgive her kissing Kissinger and begging from Bush donors, or at least put my scruples aside, if I thought she could become a good ruler--a sort of Queen Elizabeth I to Bill's 25 cents an hour presidency.

But I don't think she can. I think she has the soul of a corrupt and power-hungry courtier, not of a true monarch who actually loves her people. I think the connection--the 25 cents an hour connection--has been broken. No more sops to the poor. Greed for power and money have consumed her and her associates in the sky-born kingdom. They are going to inflict their final blows to our democracy, using her as their tool. We are going to see Social Security privatized and what little social safety net we have ripped from us. Our very sovereignty as a people will be shredded by TPP.

Her soul is empty--no there there. She is only interested in her own power in that uber circle. I may be wrong. She may be wily enough to disguise her own soul. Maybe she has some home that it would break her heart not to be able to find again. But my strong sense is that there isn't.

As for Bernie, I've grown strongly to believe that he is wiliest old guy who ever sat on a House subcommittee, and has somehow kept himself rooted to a place, Vermont, and to his ideals. He is best the leader we have ever been given a chance to vote for. And he will survive it, and he will reform it, with--as he requires--our help.

Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #30)

Canoe52

(2,941 posts)
31. Who the f&@k is that guy?
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:02 PM
May 2016

No not Jon Steward, the guy who went on talking for 7 minutes after Jon?

Canoe52

(2,941 posts)
41. Of course I googled him, silly person,
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

And I'm still confused.

But my statement was also a way to express some emotion, don't 'ch know?

32. If I knew where she actually stood on the issues it'd be much easier to vote for her.
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:10 PM
May 2016

Sadly, when I feel she does hold strong convictions I tend to be on the opposite side (See: willingness for war, fracking). It's not just that though. It's the lack of conviction anywhere else. She supports things only when it is politically safe and shows very little political courage otherwise.

I have no desire to vote for someone when they're just paying lip-service. I'd rather vote for something I believe in. That is currently not a choice I have been offered.

She's riding on the back of name recognition and lower information voters. She may very well win. That's fine, but it won't be a good day for the democratic party if/when she does. I foresee a lot of backlash come midterms as liberal democrats will not able to be rallied by Clinton, and many conservatives filled by hate will actively use that as motivation come midterms.

If her competition was anybody but Trump her electability would honestly not look very good, but you've got a historically terrible candidate on the right and people will be voting out of fear. When that happens, no one wins.

Sorry for dumping that bit of truth on you guys, and I hope I'm wrong for everyone's sake. Hopefully Clinton will turn out to be the best president ever, but seeing as how she doesn't seem to have those convictions... I'm skeptical.

Until then, let's drink and be merry and forget about the election come November for as long as we can. Shit is not good for my mental state.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
34. Jon has it right as usual.
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:29 PM
May 2016

To merely call her a flip-flopper doesn't accurately describe her. She flip-flops with the best of them, but something else is going on. The lack of convictions, or an honest advocacy of those she has, is what is missing. Of course, as Jon speculated maybe she just doesn't have any real convictions other than maximizing her wealth, status, and power. I really suspect the later.

downeastdaniel

(497 posts)
35. Oh, why is the Hill like this? Dunno. This not only saddens me, but makes me just sick. However,
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:03 AM
May 2016

Facts do not change, and at least Bernie, is true and sane...Why don't at least some of those for the Hill coming around to the facts?

TBF

(31,871 posts)
38. The frustrating part is that we sorely need a female president -
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:54 AM
May 2016

it has been far too long that the power in this country (both economically and politically) has been held by white males, but I really don't think she is the one to break through. Someone like Elizabeth Warren who has been pounding away at the banks after being elected Senator would have been my pick (and she didn't win her senatorial seat because of her husband - she did it on her own). My hope is that after the dust settles on this we take a good look at who we can catapult with our power of grass roots - now that Bernie has illustrated how to get it done. The younger women - Nina Turner, Tulsi Gabbard, Kshama Sawant - these women need our support. I found out about Nina on Twitter and have been following her. I would really like to see her run for a national seat.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
43. I think they've thrown everyone that dares speak truth to power, under the bus years ago.
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:36 PM
May 2016

I see the adulation as similar to those kids that always sided with the biggest bully. They didn't care that he beat up helpless kids.

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