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" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>Elliot Crown was one of a few citizens allowed to speak and used his time to point out PROOF of possible voter fraud considering ALL NYC counties hillary won were with THIS special black box...
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)Is the 2016 election already being stripped & flipped?
by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman
MARCH 31, 2016
The core approach is to STRIP citizens of their voting rights, then FLIP the electronic vote count if thats not enough to guarantee a win for the corporate 1%.
Historically, stripping has been based on race. Its rooted in the divide-and-conquer strategies of slavery and Jim Crow segregation. Today it centers on racist demands for photo ID and other scams designed to prevent blacks, Hispanics, the young and the poor from voting.
Flipping is related to electronic voting machines, on which the vast majority of Americans will vote this fall. Nearly all these machines were bought with money from the 2002 Help America Vote Act, which came after the theft of the 2000 presidential election. Virtually all these machines are 10 years old or more, and can easily be hacked. Swing states Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Michigan, Iowa and Arizona, among others, have GOP governors and, except for Florida, secretaries of state who can easily flip the vote count once they are cast, without accountability or detection. Also, private partisan voting machine companies have unlimited access to the electronic poll books, voting machines and central tabulators.
Those who dismiss such warnings as conspiracy theory might confront this simple question: How will the electronic vote count in the 2016 election be verified?
The answer is simple: It cant be. The vote count in 2016 for the offices of President, US Congress, governorships, state legislatures, county commissioners, dog catchers and thousands of others will come through electronic black boxes. The veracity of the outcomes will vary from state to state based on the whims and interests of those in charge of the electronic tallies.
In the meantime, we have already seen deeply disturbing signs of the strip and flip scam in the 2016 primaries. All, of course, have been to the detriment of the Bernie Sanders campaign:
· Despite the claim that Hillary Clinton, won the Iowa and Nevada caucuses, theres clear evidence Bernie was the rightful winner in both states. In Iowa Clintons victory apparently turned on six coin tosses, all of which she allegedly won.
· Theres clear evidence that Bernie actually won the Massachusetts primary, which the corporate media and official vote count gave to Hillary. Analyst Richard Charnin has examined pre-election polls and post-election exit polls, both showing Bernie substantially ahead of Clinton prior to the voting. In a phenomenon we have seen elsewhere (most notably as George W. Bush beat John Kerry in New Mexico 2004), Bernie won all the precincts with hand-counted paper ballots but lost all the ones with electronic voting machines. Exit polls significantly outside the statistical margin of error are the international gold standard for determining election fraud. If the U.S. held the same standards as the European Union, the Clinton campaign would be investigated for election fraud not only in the Massachusetts primary but also in Missouri, Illinois and Ohio primaries.
· In Arizona we saw a re-run of Ohio 2004, where left-leaning Democratic urban areas were stripped of precincts and short-changed on voting machines and back-up paper ballots, resulting in long lines and thousands of citizens being deprived of their vote. African-Americans in Cleveland, Columbus, Toledo, Dayton and Cincinnati waited up to seven hours and more to vote in 2004, causing mass disenfranchisement that helped give Bush Ohio and a second term in the White House. In Arizona this year, thousands of citizens were also robbed of their vote due to the elimination of precincts, machine shortages and the failure to provide back-up paper ballots. Many were handed provisional ballots which regularly are discarded and never counted. It is quite likely that with reasonable access to voting, Bernie would have won the Arizona primary.
A wide range of irregularities in other states have also dogged this primary season. They could well be the determining factor in who gets the nomination in both major parties.
A recent study by Harvard and the University of Sydney, Australia found that the United States had the worst elections of any long-established democracy. The U.S. ranked 47th out of the 47 long-term democratic nations.
Something serious must be done. Without radical action, these carefully engineered precinct eliminations, ballot and machine shortages, mass disenfranchisements and too much more will not only determine who wins the presidency this fall, but also who controls the Congress, numerous governorships and state legislatures and the whole gamut of elective offices around the country.
In the long run, only universal automatic voter registration, a four-day national holiday for voting, universal hand-counted paper ballots and other reforms will guarantee us a fair and reliable vote count. Posted at www.freepress.org, we call it the Ohio Plan.
But none of that will be in place this fall. In our coming articles, and in two weeks with our book THE STRIP AND FLIP SELECTION OF 2016, we will discuss what we can do in the interim.
Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman have co-authored six books on election protection, including the upcoming power point compendium THE STRIP & FLIP SELECTION OF 2016: FIVE JIM CROWS AND ELECTRONIC ELECTION THEFT. Bobs FITRAKIS FILES are at www.freepress.org. Harveys AMERICA AT THE BRINK OF REBIRTH: THE ORGANIC SPIRAL OF US HISTORY will be published soon via www.solartopia.org.
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Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)fuck just fuck
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)second, a huge number of people would argue about the fair and square part if he loses
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Cheap_Trick
(3,918 posts)you'll be crying like a child with a skinned knee. And I'll be laughing my ass off.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)hurt by a Trump election: there is nothing funny about people
losing health care or food stamps they need to survive with.
Your post just show Sanders people are self centered, and they
don't care about anyone but themselves.
840high
(17,196 posts)doesn't care about anyone but herself.
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)That's what you meant, right?
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Sanders is just a sour loser
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Here's hoping they do the same for Bernie!
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)Look who heads the DNC-Clinton supporter. Who runs the states primaries and caucuses...Clinton supporters. MSNBC in the bag for Clinton. Benen blogging at the Maddow blog never says anything negative about Clinton but every story on Sanders is negative and biased. It's the process not the moment. Forget Clinton and Sanders for a moment and look at what has happened to the Dem party and what it stands for today. It's why Bernie has been so successful bringing so many young people into the process...he stands for the people and is not a multimillionaire spokes person for the Money party.
frylock
(34,825 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)floppyboo
(2,461 posts)Response to berniesandero (Original post)
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JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)What is he talking about?
How does the black box steal votes?
What did the mathematician prove? How did he prove it?
metroins
(2,550 posts)I normally never watch videos, but the title got me I guess when I thought Proof. There was just some guy going on a rant.
senz
(11,945 posts)All he established is that the device was used on all voting machines on which Hillary won, but he didn't explain what it does.
If votes were stolen, it is very serious, despite how Hillary supporters might pooh pooh it. But we need better proof than this.
Joob
(1,065 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)as a threshold for probable fraud. Compound that with similar recurrences happening all over the country always favoring Hillary and the statistical probability of fraud goes to virtually 100%.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)That's the catch.
The system is rigged by the big club, and the big club controls the watchdogs.
LiberalArkie
(16,028 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)Obama was allowed just to pull the country out of bankruptcy, now Hill is favored for her neo-con tendencies- that and Bernie scares the be-jesus out of wall st and corporations
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Just want to keep the topic on track.....
turbinetree
(25,042 posts)LonePirate
(13,805 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)the format wasn't set up for that. But if what he says is true, it's pretty freaking huge. And he sounded fairly rational.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)George Bush won fair and square...and anyone who says he did not has a tin foil hat.
Just listen and believe...it's that simple.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)This man offers no proof.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Lots of it. I've never once denied it. There's no proof Hillary stole a state that everyone knew she was going to win due to the large support she has there.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Which is not proof but leads one to investigate...probable cause.
That is how you get proof...investigate.
And there is one big smoking gun that is dismissed as tin foil hat so that no one will investigate.
That is the pattern that has been followed time and time again.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)No probable cause. Hillary was expected to win NY based on her support there. She was a popular senator from that state. Of course she won it. No smoking gun. No probable cause.
Just unfounded claims.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)There are several smoking guns...and this guy pointed out one of them.
But you can stick your fingers in your ears and say bla bla bla and it all goes away.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)No amount of tinfoil will change that. The man offers zero proof, just conjecture.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And you argue against investigation to keep from seeing truth.
Tinfoil hat is your foil.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)She polled huge in NY, exit polling showed she won as well. Everyone knew she was going to win. And she did.
frylock
(34,825 posts)It's like 2004 never happened. It will be quite entertaining watching these same folks flip their shit when it effects their candidate in the Fall.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)We are mocking unfounded claims of election fraud with zero proof that anything was stolen. This guy is talking about NY. A state that was heavily weighted to Hillary, and that Hillary won due to that support.
Just because your guy didn't win, doesn't mean it was stolen.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Where have I heard that before?
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)There was not fraud in NY in 2016, and no amount of tinfoil will change that.
She polled ahead of him, she had a SOLID block of voters in a state that she was very popular in. They turned out, she won. Everyone knew she was going to take NY. Now a month later we're screaming conspiracy? I don't buy it.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I know how they roll. I know what they are. And you do too. But I don't expect you to admit it.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Without proof, you have nothing. That's kind of how the world works.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Maybe up on Bullshit Mountain you can just make claims with nothing to back it up, but that doesn't work in the real world.
MattP
(3,304 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)overhaul. To ignore how easy it is to rig the vote count says you don't care about accurate vote casting or vote counting.
stonecutter357
(12,756 posts)riversedge
(71,991 posts)DrBulldog
(841 posts)No waiting lines. Just voting in the quiet privacy of your home using a state-supplied voter's guide stating the backgrounds and positions and endorsements provided by every candidate.
Every voter's signature on the outer envelope containing the ballot is verified by trained clerks. An invalid signature process notifies the voter promptly if there is a question on the signature's authenticity. A deliberate act of forging a signature is a FELONY. A missing signature automatically invalidates the ballot, preventing it from ever being counted.
The ballot is usually mailed, but can also be directly dropped into a state ballot box at many drive-through polling places.
All votes are recorded ONLY on paper BY HUMAN HAND, always available and reliable in the future to carry out re-counts and appeals. Every ballot box is tracked by the state to insure it is processed correctly.
Election fraud is essentially impossible.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)How do they prevent someone from throwing away/tossing ballots for a candidate they don't want to see getting votes?
Is there some safeguard employed to prevent that from happening?
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)and IF we hear it. Self-censored. Biased toward any establishment idea or candidate. That's pretty much a given on this Board.
2) Thus, the only other outlets for anything other than that approved by the above, is garbage/trash/speculation or outright fraudulent.
3) Demanding a "link" ... well, see # 1 and 2.
No wonder there is such a FUBAR situation around here.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)If this is true, this is a place to start.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)so you put a cat in a black box - is it dead or alive? And forget the many world theories where it can be both, but it can be either until observed. SuperPositions! That's what the vote in a box has become. And what does the vote have to say about all this observing?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)They passed.
Kinda like Florida 2000 never happened.
Kinda like Ohio 2004 never happened.
A more cynical person might conclude that Dems in DC don't give a shit about fair elections or voting rights.
Uncle Joe
(59,640 posts)Thanks for the thread, berniesandero.