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berniesandero

(96 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:17 AM May 2016

Man PROVES software stole votes in ALL 'Hillary won' counties

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Elliot Crown was one of a few citizens allowed to speak and used his time to point out PROOF of possible voter fraud considering ALL NYC counties hillary won were with THIS special black box...
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Man PROVES software stole votes in ALL 'Hillary won' counties (Original Post) berniesandero May 2016 OP
Desperation is not an honorable trait. tonyt53 May 2016 #1
Have you ever heard of 'strip and flip'? Land of Enchantment May 2016 #4
Here Ned_Devine May 2016 #7
Gotcha. Land of Enchantment May 2016 #8
More hard hitting investigating from our super sleuths. How do you find all this hidden secret data Ohioblue22 May 2016 #19
.. frylock May 2016 #23
Yep Ned_Devine May 2016 #26
it's disturbing as anything Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #12
Sanders has lost fair and square: lewebley3 May 2016 #15
first, he hasn't lost yet Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #18
Sanders has lost: he is lying to his supporters lewebley3 May 2016 #30
A huge number of people have rejected Sanders: Hillary has the votes lewebley3 May 2016 #73
when the republicans pull the same shit on $hillary Cheap_Trick May 2016 #45
You are sick, you would be laughing at the people that would be lewebley3 May 2016 #46
Funny coming from you. Hillary 840high May 2016 #57
Can't prove it.Not with these privatemachines counting votes.Not fair or square all over the country bjobotts May 2016 #59
yeah, why is Hillary so freaking desperate to win that she has to cheat? Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #13
Hillary would be last person to cheat: She ran great campaign: lewebley3 May 2016 #16
Is he? Just like Hillary in 2008? Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #17
The DNC kicked out Michigan and Florida to give Obama the win lewebley3 May 2016 #28
LOL! Plucketeer May 2016 #50
Go back and look at her last campaign with Obama.Then you'll get the picture bjobotts May 2016 #60
She had 700 pledged super delegates before campaigns ever started.Running for pres past 25yrs bjobotts May 2016 #62
And neither is ignorance. frylock May 2016 #22
PPP is not an honorable career choice. BillZBubb May 2016 #32
wow, thanny for moving the conversation forward! Onward soldier!! floppyboo May 2016 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author NowSam May 2016 #2
I really did not hear an explanation. JDPriestly May 2016 #3
This is exactly what I was thinking... metroins May 2016 #47
Neither did I. senz May 2016 #49
Kind of hard to prove something when Democracy is on a timer Joob May 2016 #74
True. That's why I asked. I thought there might be a blog somewhere that explains this. JDPriestly May 2016 #75
The shenanigans meter is pinning the scale at 6 times the level established by the State Department GoneFishin May 2016 #5
But who is going to prosecute them? zeemike May 2016 #21
No one. No one ever will because this is a partisan country and both sides do it. LiberalArkie May 2016 #27
I wish it were tin foil, but Kerry was the clear winner in 2004, and Gore in 2000 larkrake May 2016 #53
BSS need to adjust tin foil hats-they are getting too tight redstateblues May 2016 #6
You must wear yours over your eyes and ears bjobotts May 2016 #61
The correct term here is 'election fraud', not 'voter fraud'. The voter did nothing wrong. ViseGrip May 2016 #9
+1! Enthusiast May 2016 #64
Black Box------------------Brad Friedman - turbinetree May 2016 #10
He did not prove anything. He implied causation but he certainly did not prove it. LonePirate May 2016 #11
true, unfortunately he did not prove it Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #14
Keep that tinfoil hat tight, or the aliens get you with their mind ray. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #20
Yes because we know no election has ever been stolen. zeemike May 2016 #24
One requires proof of wrong-doing before jumping to conclusions. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #29
Climate change denier says what? BillZBubb May 2016 #33
There's proof of climate change, sir. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #35
Have you ever heard of a smoking gun? zeemike May 2016 #37
There is no smoking gun. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #38
Bullshit. zeemike May 2016 #39
Hillary won NY fair and square. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #41
Again, there is no proof if there is no invistagation. zeemike May 2016 #43
There is no proof because there is nothing. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #44
It's funny to see so-called Democrats mocking election fraud. frylock May 2016 #25
No one is mocking election fraud. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #31
Yeah, get over it. frylock May 2016 #40
There was fraud in FL in 2000. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #42
There was fraud in NY in 2016. Enthusiast May 2016 #65
Proof? nt Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #66
I don't need proof because you know it is true and I know it is true. Enthusiast May 2016 #67
No, proof is pretty much a requirement for claims of fraud. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #69
In a world of smoke and mirrors the paid obfuscators inhabit. Enthusiast May 2016 #70
In a world of science and reason, you mean. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #71
Bernie has way more hackers on his side if anybody is hacking the vote it's him MattP May 2016 #34
It does matter who or what party you support. The voting and counting in this country needs a major Skwmom May 2016 #36
did we really land on the moon? stonecutter357 May 2016 #48
:-) riversedge May 2016 #52
This is why Oregon has been voting by mail for decades. DrBulldog May 2016 #51
This sounds good. stillwaiting May 2016 #72
I find irony alive and well. 1) The MSM controls the media...who, what and when libdem4life May 2016 #54
The State Department considers 2% variance fraud? felix_numinous May 2016 #55
Reminds me of Shrodinger's cat - who observes the results? floppyboo May 2016 #58
I suspect as much and more. But we wouldn't want Trump! Enthusiast May 2016 #63
In 2009, Democrats in DC had an opportunity to protect our elections and voting rights. Scuba May 2016 #68
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #76

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
4. Have you ever heard of 'strip and flip'?
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:26 AM
May 2016

Is the 2016 election already being stripped & flipped?
by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman
MARCH 31, 2016

Disturbing signs of the time-tested “Strip and Flip” strategy for stealing elections have already surfaced in 2016. Will they ultimately decide the outcome, as they have in too many recent elections?

The core approach is to STRIP citizens of their voting rights, then FLIP the electronic vote count if that’s not enough to guarantee a win for the corporate 1%.

Historically, “stripping” has been based on race. It’s rooted in the divide-and-conquer strategies of slavery and Jim Crow segregation. Today it centers on racist demands for photo ID and other scams designed to prevent blacks, Hispanics, the young and the poor from voting.

“Flipping” is related to electronic voting machines, on which the vast majority of Americans will vote this fall. Nearly all these machines were bought with money from the 2002 Help America Vote Act, which came after the theft of the 2000 presidential election. Virtually all these machines are 10 years old or more, and can easily be hacked. Swing states Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Michigan, Iowa and Arizona, among others, have GOP governors and, except for Florida, secretaries of state who can easily flip the vote count once they are cast, without accountability or detection. Also, private partisan voting machine companies have unlimited access to the electronic poll books, voting machines and central tabulators.

Those who dismiss such warnings as “conspiracy theory” might confront this simple question: “How will the electronic vote count in the 2016 election be verified?”

The answer is simple: “It can’t be.” The vote count in 2016 for the offices of President, US Congress, governorships, state legislatures, county commissioners, dog catchers and thousands of others will come through electronic black boxes. The veracity of the outcomes will vary from state to state based on the whims and interests of those in charge of the electronic tallies.

In the meantime, we have already seen deeply disturbing signs of the “strip and flip” scam in the 2016 primaries. All, of course, have been to the detriment of the Bernie Sanders campaign:

· Despite the claim that Hillary Clinton, “won” the Iowa and Nevada caucuses, there’s clear evidence Bernie was the rightful winner in both states. In Iowa Clinton’s “victory” apparently turned on six coin tosses, all of which she allegedly won.

· There’s clear evidence that Bernie actually won the Massachusetts primary, which the corporate media and official vote count gave to Hillary. Analyst Richard Charnin has examined pre-election polls and post-election exit polls, both showing Bernie substantially ahead of Clinton prior to the voting. In a phenomenon we have seen elsewhere (most notably as George W. Bush “beat” John Kerry in New Mexico 2004), Bernie won all the precincts with hand-counted paper ballots but lost all the ones with electronic voting machines. Exit polls significantly “outside the statistical margin of error” are the international gold standard for determining election fraud. If the U.S. held the same standards as the European Union, the Clinton campaign would be investigated for election fraud not only in the Massachusetts primary but also in Missouri, Illinois and Ohio primaries.

· In Arizona we saw a re-run of Ohio 2004, where left-leaning Democratic urban areas were stripped of precincts and short-changed on voting machines and back-up paper ballots, resulting in long lines and thousands of citizens being deprived of their vote. African-Americans in Cleveland, Columbus, Toledo, Dayton and Cincinnati waited up to seven hours and more to vote in 2004, causing mass disenfranchisement that helped give Bush Ohio and a second term in the White House. In Arizona this year, thousands of citizens were also robbed of their vote due to the elimination of precincts, machine shortages and the failure to provide back-up paper ballots. Many were handed provisional ballots which regularly are discarded and never counted. It is quite likely that with reasonable access to voting, Bernie would have won the Arizona primary.

A wide range of irregularities in other states have also dogged this primary season. They could well be the determining factor in who gets the nomination in both major parties.

A recent study by Harvard and the University of Sydney, Australia found that the United States had the “worst elections of any long-established democracy.” The U.S. ranked 47th out of the 47 long-term democratic nations.

Something serious must be done. Without radical action, these carefully engineered precinct eliminations, ballot and machine shortages, mass disenfranchisements and too much more will not only determine who wins the presidency this fall, but also who controls the Congress, numerous governorships and state legislatures and the whole gamut of elective offices around the country.

In the long run, only universal automatic voter registration, a four-day national holiday for voting, universal hand-counted paper ballots and other reforms will guarantee us a fair and reliable vote count. Posted at www.freepress.org, we call it the “Ohio Plan.”

But none of that will be in place this fall. In our coming articles, and in two weeks with our book THE STRIP AND FLIP SELECTION OF 2016, we will discuss what we can do in the interim.


————————

Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman have co-authored six books on election protection, including the upcoming power point compendium THE STRIP & FLIP SELECTION OF 2016: FIVE JIM CROWS AND ELECTRONIC ELECTION THEFT. Bob’s FITRAKIS FILES are at www.freepress.org. Harvey’s AMERICA AT THE BRINK OF REBIRTH: THE ORGANIC SPIRAL OF US HISTORY will be published soon via www.solartopia.org.

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
8. Gotcha.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:39 AM
May 2016

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Ohioblue22

(1,430 posts)
19. More hard hitting investigating from our super sleuths. How do you find all this hidden secret data
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:24 AM
May 2016
 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
26. Yep
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:57 AM
May 2016

Member since: Fri Apr 29, 2016, 02:08 PM
Number of posts: 196
Number of posts, last 90 days: 196

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
18. first, he hasn't lost yet
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:16 AM
May 2016

second, a huge number of people would argue about the fair and square part if he loses

 

Cheap_Trick

(3,918 posts)
45. when the republicans pull the same shit on $hillary
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:37 PM
May 2016

you'll be crying like a child with a skinned knee. And I'll be laughing my ass off.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
46. You are sick, you would be laughing at the people that would be
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:41 PM
May 2016

hurt by a Trump election: there is nothing funny about people
losing health care or food stamps they need to survive with.


Your post just show Sanders people are self centered, and they
don't care about anyone but themselves.

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
59. Can't prove it.Not with these privatemachines counting votes.Not fair or square all over the country
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:51 PM
May 2016
 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
13. yeah, why is Hillary so freaking desperate to win that she has to cheat?
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:55 AM
May 2016

That's what you meant, right?

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
62. She had 700 pledged super delegates before campaigns ever started.Running for pres past 25yrs
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:02 PM
May 2016

Look who heads the DNC-Clinton supporter. Who runs the states primaries and caucuses...Clinton supporters. MSNBC in the bag for Clinton. Benen blogging at the Maddow blog never says anything negative about Clinton but every story on Sanders is negative and biased. It's the process not the moment. Forget Clinton and Sanders for a moment and look at what has happened to the Dem party and what it stands for today. It's why Bernie has been so successful bringing so many young people into the process...he stands for the people and is not a multimillionaire spokes person for the Money party.

Response to berniesandero (Original post)

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
3. I really did not hear an explanation.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:22 AM
May 2016

What is he talking about?

How does the black box steal votes?

What did the mathematician prove? How did he prove it?

metroins

(2,550 posts)
47. This is exactly what I was thinking...
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:42 PM
May 2016


I normally never watch videos, but the title got me I guess when I thought Proof. There was just some guy going on a rant.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
49. Neither did I.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:54 PM
May 2016

All he established is that the device was used on all voting machines on which Hillary won, but he didn't explain what it does.

If votes were stolen, it is very serious, despite how Hillary supporters might pooh pooh it. But we need better proof than this.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
5. The shenanigans meter is pinning the scale at 6 times the level established by the State Department
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:27 AM
May 2016

as a threshold for probable fraud. Compound that with similar recurrences happening all over the country always favoring Hillary and the statistical probability of fraud goes to virtually 100%.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
21. But who is going to prosecute them?
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:50 AM
May 2016

That's the catch.
The system is rigged by the big club, and the big club controls the watchdogs.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
53. I wish it were tin foil, but Kerry was the clear winner in 2004, and Gore in 2000
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:06 PM
May 2016

Obama was allowed just to pull the country out of bankruptcy, now Hill is favored for her neo-con tendencies- that and Bernie scares the be-jesus out of wall st and corporations

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
9. The correct term here is 'election fraud', not 'voter fraud'. The voter did nothing wrong.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:40 AM
May 2016

Just want to keep the topic on track.....

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
14. true, unfortunately he did not prove it
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:56 AM
May 2016

the format wasn't set up for that. But if what he says is true, it's pretty freaking huge. And he sounded fairly rational.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
24. Yes because we know no election has ever been stolen.
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:55 AM
May 2016

George Bush won fair and square...and anyone who says he did not has a tin foil hat.

Just listen and believe...it's that simple.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
35. There's proof of climate change, sir.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:05 PM
May 2016

Lots of it. I've never once denied it. There's no proof Hillary stole a state that everyone knew she was going to win due to the large support she has there.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
37. Have you ever heard of a smoking gun?
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:07 PM
May 2016

Which is not proof but leads one to investigate...probable cause.
That is how you get proof...investigate.
And there is one big smoking gun that is dismissed as tin foil hat so that no one will investigate.
That is the pattern that has been followed time and time again.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
38. There is no smoking gun.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:09 PM
May 2016

No probable cause. Hillary was expected to win NY based on her support there. She was a popular senator from that state. Of course she won it. No smoking gun. No probable cause.

Just unfounded claims.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
39. Bullshit.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:16 PM
May 2016

There are several smoking guns...and this guy pointed out one of them.
But you can stick your fingers in your ears and say bla bla bla and it all goes away.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
41. Hillary won NY fair and square.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:18 PM
May 2016

No amount of tinfoil will change that. The man offers zero proof, just conjecture.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
43. Again, there is no proof if there is no invistagation.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:25 PM
May 2016

And you argue against investigation to keep from seeing truth.
Tinfoil hat is your foil.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
44. There is no proof because there is nothing.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:35 PM
May 2016

She polled huge in NY, exit polling showed she won as well. Everyone knew she was going to win. And she did.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
25. It's funny to see so-called Democrats mocking election fraud.
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:56 AM
May 2016

It's like 2004 never happened. It will be quite entertaining watching these same folks flip their shit when it effects their candidate in the Fall.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
31. No one is mocking election fraud.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:02 PM
May 2016

We are mocking unfounded claims of election fraud with zero proof that anything was stolen. This guy is talking about NY. A state that was heavily weighted to Hillary, and that Hillary won due to that support.

Just because your guy didn't win, doesn't mean it was stolen.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
42. There was fraud in FL in 2000.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:21 PM
May 2016

There was not fraud in NY in 2016, and no amount of tinfoil will change that.

She polled ahead of him, she had a SOLID block of voters in a state that she was very popular in. They turned out, she won. Everyone knew she was going to take NY. Now a month later we're screaming conspiracy? I don't buy it.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
67. I don't need proof because you know it is true and I know it is true.
Thu May 19, 2016, 06:52 PM
May 2016

I know how they roll. I know what they are. And you do too. But I don't expect you to admit it.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
69. No, proof is pretty much a requirement for claims of fraud.
Fri May 20, 2016, 07:44 AM
May 2016

Without proof, you have nothing. That's kind of how the world works.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
71. In a world of science and reason, you mean.
Fri May 20, 2016, 08:04 AM
May 2016

Maybe up on Bullshit Mountain you can just make claims with nothing to back it up, but that doesn't work in the real world.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
36. It does matter who or what party you support. The voting and counting in this country needs a major
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:05 PM
May 2016

overhaul. To ignore how easy it is to rig the vote count says you don't care about accurate vote casting or vote counting.
 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
51. This is why Oregon has been voting by mail for decades.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:58 PM
May 2016

No waiting lines. Just voting in the quiet privacy of your home using a state-supplied voter's guide stating the backgrounds and positions and endorsements provided by every candidate.

Every voter's signature on the outer envelope containing the ballot is verified by trained clerks. An invalid signature process notifies the voter promptly if there is a question on the signature's authenticity. A deliberate act of forging a signature is a FELONY. A missing signature automatically invalidates the ballot, preventing it from ever being counted.

The ballot is usually mailed, but can also be directly dropped into a state ballot box at many drive-through polling places.

All votes are recorded ONLY on paper BY HUMAN HAND, always available and reliable in the future to carry out re-counts and appeals. Every ballot box is tracked by the state to insure it is processed correctly.

Election fraud is essentially impossible.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
72. This sounds good.
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:38 AM
May 2016

How do they prevent someone from throwing away/tossing ballots for a candidate they don't want to see getting votes?

Is there some safeguard employed to prevent that from happening?

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
54. I find irony alive and well. 1) The MSM controls the media...who, what and when
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:17 PM
May 2016

and IF we hear it. Self-censored. Biased toward any establishment idea or candidate. That's pretty much a given on this Board.

2) Thus, the only other outlets for anything other than that approved by the above, is garbage/trash/speculation or outright fraudulent.

3) Demanding a "link" ... well, see # 1 and 2.

No wonder there is such a FUBAR situation around here.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
58. Reminds me of Shrodinger's cat - who observes the results?
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:03 PM
May 2016

so you put a cat in a black box - is it dead or alive? And forget the many world theories where it can be both, but it can be either until observed. SuperPositions! That's what the vote in a box has become. And what does the vote have to say about all this observing?

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
68. In 2009, Democrats in DC had an opportunity to protect our elections and voting rights.
Fri May 20, 2016, 06:54 AM
May 2016

They passed.

Kinda like Florida 2000 never happened.

Kinda like Ohio 2004 never happened.







A more cynical person might conclude that Dems in DC don't give a shit about fair elections or voting rights.

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