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Bernie Sanders talks campaign's next steps after White House visit (Original Post) BeyondGeography Jun 2016 OP
I don't think he is going to be able to let it go. missingthebigdog Jun 2016 #1
I think it was about as much as you could hope for right now BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #4
The country dying is his concession speech. Just look around. One does what they can, but jtuck004 Jun 2016 #5
The country is not dying : we have full employment 4.75 from 16% lewebley3 Jun 2016 #10
Prior to the Civil War, most plantations had full employment too. That isn't saying much. jtuck004 Jun 2016 #21
It is 2016: Obama has done a great job: Hillary will be lewebley3 Jun 2016 #23
But maybe take us backwards. floriduck Jun 2016 #42
likely so roguevalley Jun 2016 #45
After the elections, WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2016 #73
I'm in Washington so I hear ya. I just want to run every state super delegate out of this state. floriduck Jun 2016 #106
We know the Clinton's they only move forward and are usually very lewebley3 Jun 2016 #47
Tell that to those single parents who lost welfare benefits because they couldn't work. And dont floriduck Jun 2016 #48
If, single parents lost welfare benefits: is because of the GOP: they do control lewebley3 Jun 2016 #49
I think if 1994 were to be revisited it says a lot turbinetree Jun 2016 #77
1993 Clinton budget was passed with out a single GOP vote: lewebley3 Jun 2016 #82
I will not agrue with you that is not my job discription------------------- turbinetree Jun 2016 #92
The Clinton Ad was one the most successful in history for the middle lewebley3 Jun 2016 #96
Not on my behalf. The repeal of Glass-Steagall snot Jun 2016 #102
It's Bush and GOP that crashed the economy, not Clinton's the country was just lewebley3 Jun 2016 #108
he did nothing for the poor and struggling.there are more struggling now. wendylaroux Jun 2016 #64
Don't you know, St. Hillary is going to turn her back on the wealthy that gave all of Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #52
there is more to health than the economy Wibly Jun 2016 #26
Again its 2016, not Germany under Hitler: you are just silly lewebley3 Jun 2016 #28
Comparing Clinton to Hitler, seriously? lark Jun 2016 #50
HILLARY OwlinAZ Jun 2016 #76
Don't think she's as paranoid as Nixon. lark Jun 2016 #95
Agreed. Our current presumptive candidates are super-wealthy. snot Jun 2016 #103
Oh Great! Half the pay... freebrew Jun 2016 #40
That is where Hillary will start: because Obama fixed things for her: lewebley3 Jun 2016 #44
minimum wage jobs wendylaroux Jun 2016 #53
The GOP are standing in the way to higher paid jobs: not Dem's lewebley3 Jun 2016 #75
Uber jobs for all!!! Yay! Until the driverless cars come out and they can elemintate that FighttheFuture Jun 2016 #66
Yes , the USA is dying OwlinAZ Jun 2016 #86
He's got a swelled head: The Fame got to him: Jane and Him attacked DWS lewebley3 Jun 2016 #6
Disgusting Wibly Jun 2016 #27
Its Sander campaign ex mangers that are telling people what Sanders lewebley3 Jun 2016 #30
something you read? oh my. wendylaroux Jun 2016 #58
Those comments were put out by the Hillary people OwlinAZ Jun 2016 #87
no,just disapointed that the powers that be made sure wendylaroux Jun 2016 #57
That's exactly what happened. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2016 #89
You are clueless about what he stands for... modestybl Jun 2016 #9
Hillary has never put corps first that Sanders propaganda:(total lie) lewebley3 Jun 2016 #13
Wrong on every count. modestybl Jun 2016 #15
It is who voted for him: Minorities vote for Hillary in huge numbers lewebley3 Jun 2016 #18
Huge numbers? Turn-outs were tiny in those states modestybl Jun 2016 #67
DNC has not been silent at all: it Dem's that have made an issue lewebley3 Jun 2016 #69
Hillary was vote in by millions Americans: She answers to them: lewebley3 Jun 2016 #25
Welfare "reform", repealing Glass-Stegal, NAFTA, Telcom deregulation... all worked so well for the FighttheFuture Jun 2016 #80
Correct on all points beltanefauve Jun 2016 #98
Grow up? missingthebigdog Jun 2016 #19
Hillary is a politician and said so: It is you who want St.hood for Sanders lewebley3 Jun 2016 #32
Did you mean to reply to me? missingthebigdog Jun 2016 #41
What is Hillary's vision for the country? modestybl Jun 2016 #62
He is not wrong about Hillary but neither he nor I have any right to judge her followers larkrake Jun 2016 #104
+1000 Bernie's campaign was about giving us hope. LongTomH Jun 2016 #29
We could have had from Bernie,what we thought we were getting from BO. wendylaroux Jun 2016 #63
Yep. Bernie has always been on our side. Not his. Not the wealthy. Ours. That is Bernie Sanders. The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #33
Wait Wibly Jun 2016 #24
Bernie never wanted to be president Geronimoe Jun 2016 #36
Hillary has not won OwlinAZ Jun 2016 #71
He has millions of American citizens supporting him. Why should he just give up. OwlinAZ Jun 2016 #84
And Hillary has millions more supporting her. missingthebigdog Jun 2016 #105
I don't think he is having trouble letting go at all. pangaia Jun 2016 #85
That was an excellent speech MariaThinks Jun 2016 #2
What a mensch. modestybl Jun 2016 #3
Its Sanders that has been self center: he was the one ordering lewebley3 Jun 2016 #7
You have so little confidence in your weak candidate... modestybl Jun 2016 #12
Hillary has not worked for her own political power; She has lewebley3 Jun 2016 #16
DU needs to check you Wibly Jun 2016 #31
So some comments you don't like BuddhaGirl Jun 2016 #37
This is not 2008 beltanefauve Jun 2016 #99
DU allowed smearing of Hillary: that should have been checked lewebley3 Jun 2016 #72
Think you posted to the wrong person... modestybl Jun 2016 #74
Pure fabrication Geronimoe Jun 2016 #38
This one needs to be just ignored. He sounds like he's very young and libdem4life Jun 2016 #54
Bernie ran to give us a choice. He would not have done it if we did not back him to run. The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #55
Bravo.. well said! mountain grammy Jun 2016 #60
According the people who worked on his campaign he has lewebley3 Jun 2016 #68
I believe that he was determined and he felt he could do it, but that description seems wrong. The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #78
You really don't know anything about Bernie Sanders.. mountain grammy Jun 2016 #59
I listen to him for years on the Hartman and Knew him before lewebley3 Jun 2016 #61
Wrong. The Clintons have made 100s of millions... modestybl Jun 2016 #90
You mean they ran a successful charity; in which every penny is accounted lewebley3 Jun 2016 #101
They have used the charity as a vehicle for political and financial ends... modestybl Jun 2016 #107
We who have been Democrats for decades know exactly what Hillary is. Not moral, greedy, entitled, OwlinAZ Jun 2016 #91
Hillary is very honest; she has been investigated and clear if everything lewebley3 Jun 2016 #100
Yeah, please stop deadchicken7 Jun 2016 #51
Delusional. FighttheFuture Jun 2016 #81
Both Hillary and Bernie have proven to be class acts MidwestTech Jun 2016 #39
I am so very proud of my candidate. SamKnause Jun 2016 #8
This is what real class looks and sounds like. nt valerief Jun 2016 #11
+ 1000 I am so proud of this excellent man. senz Jun 2016 #17
Keep bringing it, Bernie! rgbecker Jun 2016 #14
She has Politicub Jun 2016 #20
Could you please provide links to all these changes in her positions? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #35
Do your own research Politicub Jun 2016 #43
We don't need no stinking links... BBG Jun 2016 #97
They were not strong on her agenda in her 2008 run. Remember she was a hawk then and The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #93
Love this guy!!! muktiman Jun 2016 #22
yes indeed OwlinAZ Jun 2016 #83
Sounds like he is willing to work with the Party to thump Trump liberal N proud Jun 2016 #34
Really happy to hear that Politicub Jun 2016 #46
Of course he will! mountain grammy Jun 2016 #88
Great speech. It will be an incalculable benefit to have Senator Sanders and his movement help Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #56
I think it's great he's going through with the DC primary. nilram Jun 2016 #65
Thank you Bernie... midnight Jun 2016 #70
The primary ends at the convention. modestybl Jun 2016 #79
He's my man! lunatica Jun 2016 #94

missingthebigdog

(1,233 posts)
1. I don't think he is going to be able to let it go.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jun 2016

I am not a Bernie fan, but I feel bad for him. It is clear that he is struggling with this. He cannot bring himself to say that he did not win, or that Hillary won.

He is waiting for the final California tally, and expects it to be "much closer." That seems unlikely, but is irrelevant, given the fact that she has enough delegates even without the California win.

I do not think we should expect a concession speech from this man. Ever.

BeyondGeography

(40,065 posts)
4. I think it was about as much as you could hope for right now
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:10 PM
Jun 2016

He clearly is struggling with the reality of the situation. If he is still talking like this after DC, he will need to have his head examined, but this was a good step forward, imho.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
5. The country dying is his concession speech. Just look around. One does what they can, but
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:12 PM
Jun 2016

after awhile the garbage may just be stacked too high.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
21. Prior to the Civil War, most plantations had full employment too. That isn't saying much.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jun 2016

Most are losing their assets, which accounts for the increase among those in poverty and the working poor - of which there are more than there were 8 years ago. Feel free to hang on to your prejudice, or go look at the Census Bureau stats.

A few, notably those who are wealthy and donate more to political parties, are walking away with the bank.


Income among the middle class is plummeting
...

According to Pew Research, in 1970 $3 of every $10 in income went to upper-income households. Now $5 of every $10 goes to them. The Social Security Administration reports that over half of Americans make less than $30,000 per year. That's less than an appropriate average living wage of $16.87 per hour, as calculated by Alliance for a Just Society.
...
A new study finds nearly a 15-year difference in life expectancy between 40-year-old men among the richest 1 percent and the poorest 1 percent. The gap is 10 years for women. Much of the disparity has arisen in just the past 15 years.
...

In fact, it could be even more than half. The Wall Street Journal recently reported on a JP Morgan study's conclusion that "the bottom 80% of households by income lack sufficient savings to cover the type of volatility observed in income and spending." Fewer than one in three 25- to 34-year-olds live in their own homes, a 20 percent drop in just the past 15 years.

Renters are faring even worse. The number of families spending more than half their incomes on rent—the 'severely' cost-burdened renters—has increased by a stunning 50 percent in just ten years. Billionaire Steve Schwarzman, whose company Blackstone has been buying up tens of thousands of homes at rock-bottom prices and then renting them out at exorbitant rates while waiting out the housing market, recently said he finds the growing anger among voters "astonishing."
...


http://www.alternet.org/economy/once-middle-class-millions-are-joining-ranks-disposable-americans


The hurting economy still exists. Perhaps the most telling sign that the U.S. isn't back to normal is the 44.7 million Americans on food stamps. Joe is one of them, something else he never envisioned in his life.
Before the financial crisis there were only 26.3 million people on food stamps"



http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/26/news/economy/middle-class-to-homeless/index.html?sr=cnnmoneybin043016middle-class-to-homeless0900vodtop

---


Maybe those hungry kids can eat your hot air.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
23. It is 2016: Obama has done a great job: Hillary will be
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jun 2016

able to start from a good place.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
73. After the elections,
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jun 2016

will the revolution continue?

Will we just roll over, or will we fight back.

Here in Oregon there will be a land grab for Federal Lands to be turned over to the state and counties, so logging can be increased, that's what our future looks like.

The fight is just starting.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
106. I'm in Washington so I hear ya. I just want to run every state super delegate out of this state.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jun 2016

But I won't send them south to Oregon.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
47. We know the Clinton's they only move forward and are usually very
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jun 2016

successful on behalf the American people. ( I would included the
other Dem's)

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
48. Tell that to those single parents who lost welfare benefits because they couldn't work. And dont
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jun 2016

forget to tell that to the Iraqi and Libyan people who suffer today.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
49. If, single parents lost welfare benefits: is because of the GOP: they do control
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jun 2016

35 houses, and both chambers of congress: second: Iraqi was
Bushes choice he said so. The Clinton's made a different choice
when office concerning Iraqi

The Dem's and Clinton's fight tirelessly for the poor: its
the middle class is doesn't have help right now.


The reason the GOP are able to block everything is because
they have votes. We need to change that; that is why the election
is not just about Hillary is about the American people: She
is just the Captain of the ship only:

turbinetree

(25,420 posts)
77. I think if 1994 were to be revisited it says a lot
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:08 PM
Jun 2016

all one has to do is look and read what happened in Thomas Franks book Listen Liberal to see who, and why, this word "welfare"



 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
82. 1993 Clinton budget was passed with out a single GOP vote:
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jun 2016

it was very progressive and it worked.

turbinetree

(25,420 posts)
92. I will not agrue with you that is not my job discription-------------------
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jun 2016

the 1994 bill that was signed had cuts to social programs and 'welfare" programs and made it harder for human beings to qualify, and this was the beginning of a litmus test that has only grown as each year passes, one has to look no further than seeing a mother or a father on a street corner with a sign saying "Homeless". Or a mother and father not making enough and needing the government, you and me to help

My concept of progressive is that if you pay into the system , which we all do, then, those that get caught on that street corner, or not making enough deserve my society and country's help, not the other way around and this the word "welfare", should not have been used.

A person that was running the country in 1994 signed that bill-------that is a fact-------------it could have been vetoed---------------it was not

That was not, what Francis Perkins idea of what welfare stands for, and it did not mean to cut and gut a programs, she is the person that created the most of the social programs in this country---------------which are under attack.


Have a nice day---------------

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
96. The Clinton Ad was one the most successful in history for the middle
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jun 2016

class. The Clinton's pulled 7.4 million people out of poverty : The
snap program was cut under Bush and the GOP:

snot

(10,785 posts)
102. Not on my behalf. The repeal of Glass-Steagall
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:40 PM
Jun 2016

cost me 1/4 of my retirement savings, at point in life where I can't make up for the loss.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
108. It's Bush and GOP that crashed the economy, not Clinton's the country was just
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:43 PM
Jun 2016

fine when the left the white house.

Dustlawyer

(10,518 posts)
52. Don't you know, St. Hillary is going to turn her back on the wealthy that gave all of
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jun 2016

that money to her and Bill and fight for the middle class and the poor! She will fight for the 99%, not the 1% who she will go after, actually making them pay taxes, increase SS...

Sarcasm!

Wibly

(613 posts)
26. there is more to health than the economy
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:58 PM
Jun 2016

Germany had a great economy under Hitler. If your only gauge regarding a country's health is its economy, then you are sorely messed.
When the only people who can win nomination to the Presidency and other high office are the uber wealthy, then your country is indeed in serious trouble.

lark

(24,325 posts)
50. Comparing Clinton to Hitler, seriously?
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:45 PM
Jun 2016

Good grief! I can see comparisons of Hitler to Trump, absolutely, but Clinton? Watching Faux too much lately?

lark

(24,325 posts)
95. Don't think she's as paranoid as Nixon.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:56 PM
Jun 2016

He was a mixed bag, some good and some bad. He normalized relations with China, he supported some gun control and alternative energy. he's definitely not the worst Repug president we've had. That would be, to date, GW.

snot

(10,785 posts)
103. Agreed. Our current presumptive candidates are super-wealthy.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie wasn't.

We are in serious trouble.

I also agree that we're in serious trouble in non-economic ways.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
40. Oh Great! Half the pay...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jun 2016

for twice the work. And you can pretty much wipe your ass with that degree.
It will still cost you though, we're not letting go of any profits.

We don't have full employment. Just so many have given up.

Tired of your lies here.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
44. That is where Hillary will start: because Obama fixed things for her:
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:24 PM
Jun 2016

The infrastructure jobs will be highly paid: Hillary will able to work
on that right away since she doesn't have the mess Bush left for
Obama to contend with.

Econ 101 full employment is 5%: people who are not working because
of retiring and baby boomers.

But you are right we need to get the wages up and moving: that
cannot be done until we move the GOP out of the way.

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
66. Uber jobs for all!!! Yay! Until the driverless cars come out and they can elemintate that
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jun 2016

pesky human component, as so many other jobs have done via offshoring, cutbacks with those left taking on the additional work, etc.

That 4.75% is a very hollow claim.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
6. He's got a swelled head: The Fame got to him: Jane and Him attacked DWS
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:19 PM
Jun 2016

personally according to the article on politico. I thought he was
nice guy: It turns out he had a great ego.

Wibly

(613 posts)
27. Disgusting
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jun 2016

This is the sort of talk that will ultimately turn Sanders supporters away from the Democrats.
You need to check your lip, and your vitriol. You sound more like Trump than a Democrat.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
30. Its Sander campaign ex mangers that are telling people what Sanders
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jun 2016

was really about.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
57. no,just disapointed that the powers that be made sure
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jun 2016

of a clinton win.I feel sorry for all the struggling people out there,

who will be totally forgotten no matter who is elected.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
9. You are clueless about what he stands for...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jun 2016

...HRC's constitutents, first and foremost, will be the big money donors who have propped her up for years. Not us.

We've had the scales weighted months before the first vote was cast with the ~450 supers already behind HRC giving her an "insurmountable" lead. Those are the rules. But they don't vote until July 25. That's also the rules. You like the rules when it unfairly advantages your side, but throw tantrums and start calling names when they work against you.

What you and most HRC folks don't understand, is that the priority for Sanders and his supporters is to change are our whole rotten, money-soaked system. HRC's whole political career has centered around whatever increases her power. That's why she could voter for the Iraq War resolution, advocate for it and lie about the non-existent intelligence the she and Bill "saw"... If we couldn't beat her in a slanted field, we have to restrain her worst instincts if she is the nominee.

HRC supporters are a surly bunch when losing... they are even uglier when "winning". The adults who understand the real problems facing our country and planet will be undeterred by threats and intimidation, and will never stop working to change our politics. Many HRC supporters behave like school yard children whining about it being "her turn" and we should "go home".

Grow up.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
13. Hillary has never put corps first that Sanders propaganda:(total lie)
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jun 2016

The only ones that Sanders supported were rich white kids that
thought they were going get free college.

The Clinton's pulled 7.4m people out of poverty and
raise the taxes the rich 1% when office.

The Clinton's proved like Governor Brown in Cal that
Dem's ideas work: both have put the American people
in black and took care of the poor and elderly.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
15. Wrong on every count.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jun 2016

So, in your opinion, college only matters to "rich white kids"??

But if you are free to believe that defense contractors, fossil fuels industry, banking industry, Big Pharma, etc. are on your side ... because that's who HRC will have to answer to.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
67. Huge numbers? Turn-outs were tiny in those states
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jun 2016

....that she won with minority votes... probably explains why the DNC has been so silent on vote fraud since 2000... the suppression techniques the benefit Repubs in November, benefits incumbents and party favorites in primaries...

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
25. Hillary was vote in by millions Americans: She answers to them:
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jun 2016

when the Clinton's were in power the 1st time they put people
first. That's is why the GOP went after the Clinton's they helped
rebuild the middle class.

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
80. Welfare "reform", repealing Glass-Stegal, NAFTA, Telcom deregulation... all worked so well for the
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jun 2016

middle class. It is more robust than ever today!!!

The GOP went after Clinton because:
1) Bill pushed a tax increase in '94 to help balance the budget, which he did. Kudos to him on that.
2) They felt cheated thinking Bush Sr. should have won but didn't because of Perot.
3) each election the R's get meaner and more devious and venal in their behavior. It's a natural progression from the plans put in place back in the 70's and 80's.




beltanefauve

(1,784 posts)
98. Correct on all points
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jun 2016

I would add that the viciousness and vindictive behavior began after Nixon was forced to either resign or be impeached. Some Republicans, such as Dick Cheney, still seem to want to get even.

missingthebigdog

(1,233 posts)
19. Grow up?
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jun 2016

I am not the one that is having a hard time dealing with reality.

Part of being an adult is accepting that sometimes you are wrong about things. You are wrong about Hillary. You are wrong about her supporters.

It is insulting when you rail on about how disrespectful those who support Hillary are to your chosen candidate while advocating for the disenfranchisement of the millions of people who voted for her.

Are those millions of people just stupid? Are all of them the "big money donors?" Or is it possible that the majority of Democrats believe in Hillary's vision for the country? Maybe that's why she got more votes?

Nobody is asking you to go home. We would very much prefer it if you continued to advocate for a positive change. That means working to defeat Trump, and working to turn Congress blue. We can do those things together. But first we have to let go of the fantasy that it would be more fair to somehow give the nomination to the guy that came in second. That is the grown up thing to do.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
32. Hillary is a politician and said so: It is you who want St.hood for Sanders
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:05 PM
Jun 2016

and that is not real or earned. It is Sander people that ran a wish list:
the rest of the party were dealing with reality that is why they voted
for Hillary.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
62. What is Hillary's vision for the country?
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jun 2016

Continued low wages? Healthcare is NOT a right ("Never NEVER going to happen&quot ? The banks allowed to be "too big to fail"? Crushing student debt? (as Bill took $16M as a board member of a for-proft college raking in the cash from indebted students)? Fracking?

What vision of hers is more compelling than Sanders? Her only answer is No We Can't. Is that yours?

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
104. He is not wrong about Hillary but neither he nor I have any right to judge her followers
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jun 2016

as far as the public loving Hill, interpret it as you will. Her unfavorables belie that, I think more are just settling and live in fear of change, or they like war and corporations

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
29. +1000 Bernie's campaign was about giving us hope.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jun 2016

For the first time in years, young people saw someone who cared about the fact that they were loaded with a lifetime of debt peonage, with little prospect for decent jobs at middle-class wages.

American workers, of all ages, saw hope again of restoring decent jobs rather than seeing them outsourced.

Bernie's promise to expand Social Security restored hope for a dignified retirement, without having to push carts at Wally World.

Hillary adopted many of Bernie's issues; but, tell you the truth, she just isn't credible on any of them.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
63. We could have had from Bernie,what we thought we were getting from BO.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jun 2016

someone for the common man.

The Wielding Truth

(11,423 posts)
33. Yep. Bernie has always been on our side. Not his. Not the wealthy. Ours. That is Bernie Sanders.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:05 PM
Jun 2016

Wibly

(613 posts)
24. Wait
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jun 2016

She has not won anything yet.
Let's be honest here, and stop counting the chickens before they hatch.
Let due process continue.

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
36. Bernie never wanted to be president
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:12 PM
Jun 2016

He fights for policies and causes. These have not changed or gone away.

I suspect he is struggling with throwing support behind the Wall Street funded candidate.

 

OwlinAZ

(410 posts)
84. He has millions of American citizens supporting him. Why should he just give up.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jun 2016

He loves this country and its ideals. He's not just in this to enrich himself as is Hillary.

missingthebigdog

(1,233 posts)
105. And Hillary has millions more supporting her.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jun 2016

Why should he just give up? Because he has lost, and there is no prize for coming in second.

If his intentions are honorable, and what he really wants is to better the country, he will begin the healing process and work WITH the winning candidate to forward his goals.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
85. I don't think he is having trouble letting go at all.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:15 PM
Jun 2016

I think he is fighting for what he has always fought for, and it is much bigger than winning a presidential nomination or even election.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
2. That was an excellent speech
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:06 PM
Jun 2016

I thought it was respectful to his supporters, Hillary Supporters, Biden, Obama and the process.

He hates Trump - which is very clear.

Thank you Bernie.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
3. What a mensch.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:08 PM
Jun 2016

And a fighter. As sickening as it is to consider the Dem nominee may be a bought and paid for corporate shill, we can still fight against her own self-centered instincts and get her onto the right message.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
7. Its Sanders that has been self center: he was the one ordering
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jun 2016

the nasty attack against Hillary: He became drunk on fame an lost
his way: Hillary have given 30 years to this country. Sander
sat in the Senate yaking and accomplishing nothing.

Hillary is very far from self center: the poor vote went for her because
she has been reliable to them.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
12. You have so little confidence in your weak candidate...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:28 PM
Jun 2016

... you have to behave like a child throwing a tantrum.

There is such a thing as a sore "winner", and the HRC crowd exemplifies it.

HRC has 30 years working for her own political power. From being on the board of directors of Walmart (think that had nothing to do with her husband being Governor?), to her Iraq war vote, to her unwavering support of the big banks, she's just in it for herself.

But go on name-calling, the adults aren't moved by it, or intimidation or threats. We are pushing to change the whole corrupt, money-soaked system, not just getting "our guy" elected.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
16. Hillary has not worked for her own political power; She has
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jun 2016

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worked the Dem party and the American people. Just a fact!

The Clinton's didn't' have any real wealth until they were in the 50's:
they could both have been much richer if that was the goal.

She is at center the a kind moral person that believes the American
people are worth fighting for and she has done it most of her life.

Sander at 73 deiced for his ego to run President: he let Hillary and
other take the fight to the GOP years. He never put himself out
raise money or knock on doors.

Wibly

(613 posts)
31. DU needs to check you
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jun 2016

DU should really reconsider allowing you to post your vitriol. Posts like your are endangering the chances Sanders supporters will get on board with the Democrats. Why should they join a bunch of trash talking people like you?
Your hatred of Sanders, and your blind allegiance to Clinton, is not a good combination. It certainly does not promote democracy, or unity.
Read your own posts on this thread alone, and think about them.
You are not helping the Democratic Party's cause.

BuddhaGirl

(3,652 posts)
37. So some comments you don't like
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jun 2016

about Bernie from Clinton supporters might turn his supporters away from her and not work together to defeat Trump?

My, how shallow.

beltanefauve

(1,784 posts)
99. This is not 2008
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:51 PM
Jun 2016

Obama and Clinton were more similar than different, and it was much easier for the supporters of both candidates to come together for a common cause. In fact, many of Sanders supporters are people who voted for "Hope and Change ", which never really came. This time around, Hill and her supporters have repeatedly, through words and actions indicated that they don't need the Sanders supporters on board.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
74. Think you posted to the wrong person...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jun 2016

But I agree that HRC supporters feel they should get a pass on lying and swift boating techniques against Sanders.

I guess they feel they don't need the votes of Sanders supporters...

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
54. This one needs to be just ignored. He sounds like he's very young and
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:52 PM
Jun 2016

has never had an original thought. There is no conversing...he just flips through pages of pre recorded closed loop tape scripts.

The Wielding Truth

(11,423 posts)
55. Bernie ran to give us a choice. He would not have done it if we did not back him to run.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:53 PM
Jun 2016

He has little ego. He just wants to do what he has always done serve those of us who need representation. He has not pushed anything that would benefit himself or any already powerful entity.

Wow. You don't know him. He has marched with Martin Luther King Jr. Walked picket lines with unions and fought every day to better the lives of the working class. Really study him. You will be surprised.

He is a fine man who has high democratic and socialist ideals. Kind of what I was when I registered to be a Democrat in 1971. This is the only time when I would not have had to rationalize my vote if Bernie would have won the nomination.

Now I will vote for Hillary to keep out the truly despicable Republican crowd. I don't hate her. I like her. I just hope that she will remember that the people who brought her to the dance are not who she should be advocating for.They are in her face, but they already have enough power. We need her to fight for our welfare. We can't pick up and travel if we aren't happy like the 1%. We are the American people who live, work and die here in America.

That is who Bernie has always been working for.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
68. According the people who worked on his campaign he has
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jun 2016

huge ego. Read the politico article: the people close to him say
it was about him and Jane.

The Wielding Truth

(11,423 posts)
78. I believe that he was determined and he felt he could do it, but that description seems wrong.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:09 PM
Jun 2016

mountain grammy

(27,369 posts)
59. You really don't know anything about Bernie Sanders..
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:56 PM
Jun 2016

or the people who support him, and yet, you go on. Sad.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
61. I listen to him for years on the Hartman and Knew him before
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jun 2016

that: He was not the nice man he was before he ran.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
90. Wrong. The Clintons have made 100s of millions...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:21 PM
Jun 2016

... in the last several years, through their network of Clinton Foundation donors (who also had business in front of the State Department, who are big donors to HRC's campaign - and they are expecting something in return). They couldn't have been that rich without getting into the WH first... and her getting back into the WH is what continues to enrich them personally.

She's the kind of morally bankrupt person that could vote for the Iraq War resolution, promote that war and lie about the non-existent intelligence that she and Bill "saw". She has promoted every rotten trade deal that shipped factories overseas and gave multinationals the right to override our own environment and safety laws. She has supported all the repeals of FDR-era law that prevented big financial institutions from wreaking the kind of havoc that brought down the world economy in 2008.

She hasn't raised any money yet for state parties this year that didn't get filtered right back into her own campaign. She's in it for herself, not us.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
101. You mean they ran a successful charity; in which every penny is accounted
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jun 2016

for and they help millions of people. Hillary made millions in the private
sector that she is now spending to help the Dem party fight the GOP.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
107. They have used the charity as a vehicle for political and financial ends...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:33 PM
Jun 2016

BTW, my standard go-to site for charities is Charity Navigator... the BBB of these types of organizations. After putting a warning flag on the Foundation, they decided because of its unconventional organization and lack of transparency, they refused to rate it.

Not a good sign.

 

OwlinAZ

(410 posts)
91. We who have been Democrats for decades know exactly what Hillary is. Not moral, greedy, entitled,
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jun 2016

self aggrandizing, sneaky and dishonest.
You want someone like this as our country's leader? Well, you and your idiot friends just might get it.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
100. Hillary is very honest; she has been investigated and clear if everything
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jun 2016

she was been accused of ever.

deadchicken7

(7 posts)
51. Yeah, please stop
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jun 2016

Dude/Dudette,

Please stop. Between the bad syntax, grammar, and deliberately inflammatory comments which are occasionally outright lies, I would consider you a troll. This is literally the first or second comment I have ever made and I don't expect to do more, since I use this site as an aggregator, but after months of seeing you do this over and over I'm begging you to stop. If you really support Clinton, you're doing more harm than good.

PS:. I'm a registered socialist and I'm still voting for Clinton if she's the nominee (which, yes, I entirely expect to be the case) because them's the breaks. I would not suggest trying to attack me as a Sander's supporter (which I am) because, well, the last sentence.

MidwestTech

(170 posts)
39. Both Hillary and Bernie have proven to be class acts
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:15 PM
Jun 2016

Seriously throughout this entire primary both sides have done their level best to stick to the issues.
Hillarys victory speech was pleasantly conciliatory towards Bernie people.
being a gracious winner is a trait I want in my president.

Bernie's reaction has been honest and accepting.
Look at the crowds he was constantly pulling!
If you went to a gathering and had 2-5x the expected number every time, you'd be shaken by such a loss, especially with stories of falderall.

I'm not disputing that Hillary won, like Bernie I just want the ENTIRE populace the chance to vote.

He knows he's lost, but it's his right to take it to the convention.

Both candidates have proven to be better people than many of their most fanatical supporters.

we should all take the example of our chosen candidate and just... chill and let things settle.

hillary people need to clam down, bernie people need time to mourn... then we need to all work to beat the ever living piss out of trump and the entire gop!

SamKnause

(13,872 posts)
8. I am so very proud of my candidate.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jun 2016

He is a fine, passionate, trust worthy, honorable, humble man.

I only wish people could see him through my eyes.

I wish people could envision this country the way Bernie knows it can

be and should be.

His dreams are my dreams.









rgbecker

(4,877 posts)
14. Keep bringing it, Bernie!
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jun 2016

Why can't Clinton bring herself to reach out and adopt some of these straight forward ideas Sanders is continuing to put on the table? How could she be against taxing the rich and making public college's tuition free? Who is she courting by consistently refusing to listen to the young and disenfranchised who have latched on to Sanders call for Medicare for all, $15 MINIMUM WAGE and increasing Social Security benefits so grandma doesn't have to live on $1000/mo after 45 years of paying her share?

Politicub

(12,290 posts)
20. She has
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jun 2016

You're not paying attention if you believe that hasn't happened.

I knew little about Sanders before this primary. He seems to be having a hard time. Perhaps it's the stages of grief playing out.

Hillary will be a wonderful president and I'm thrilled to no end at the prospect of building on Obama's accomplishments and introducing innovative proposals of her own.

Politicub

(12,290 posts)
43. Do your own research
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jun 2016

Start by listening to her speech from Tuesday evening.

I'm not going to do the work for you.

The Wielding Truth

(11,423 posts)
93. They were not strong on her agenda in her 2008 run. Remember she was a hawk then and
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jun 2016

pushed her ready at 3am stance not social issues.Let's hope that the pressure of the Bernie run keeps her focused on us - the 99%.

From her past I can surmise that she will do her best to represent women's rights. keep the economy steady, satisfy her investors and try to calm the right wing. Elizabeth Warren, Bernie and all of us who have seen the our country slipping into serfdom would help her remember that we need to bolster the lower and middle classes and let business make it's way without all it's social welfare.

muktiman

(19 posts)
22. Love this guy!!!
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jun 2016

It's not about him and it is clear that he really cares about us. Too bad the Democratic "Politburo" does not see the train wreck that is the Clinton nomination.

I stand with Bernie; it's a movement revolution.

 

OwlinAZ

(410 posts)
83. yes indeed
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary will continue the murder of the middle class. After all, the's been paid nearly $100 million over the past few years? What
do you think all those speeches were about?

Politicub

(12,290 posts)
46. Really happy to hear that
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:24 PM
Jun 2016

It's clear that president Obama has a tremendous amount of respect about what Sanders has accomplished.

mountain grammy

(27,369 posts)
88. Of course he will!
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:19 PM
Jun 2016

and that is good! We could have a real Democratic sweep here and that's very good! Trump or no Trump, Republicans gotta go!

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
56. Great speech. It will be an incalculable benefit to have Senator Sanders and his movement help
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:53 PM
Jun 2016

defeat Donald Trump. The Democratic Party and the citizenry benefit from his leadership and ideas.

nilram

(3,006 posts)
65. I think it's great he's going through with the DC primary.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jun 2016

Just like in the 2008 campaign, every voter gets a choice for an active campaign.

I did not hear him say he would take the fight to the convention, though, and even though I'm a supporter, I think it's best for him to use his influence to move the party in the directions he indicates in the video.

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
79. The primary ends at the convention.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:09 PM
Jun 2016

And it won't be just the Sanders delegates that have to be convinced... there will be thousands of people in town demonstration for a progressive Democratic Party - and thousands who were locked out of the primary process this year.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
94. He's my man!
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jun 2016

I love Bernie! He cares about us. All of us.

And I want his revolution to take off and change the country. I hope all his hard work pays off.

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