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(1,233 posts)I am not a Bernie fan, but I feel bad for him. It is clear that he is struggling with this. He cannot bring himself to say that he did not win, or that Hillary won.
He is waiting for the final California tally, and expects it to be "much closer." That seems unlikely, but is irrelevant, given the fact that she has enough delegates even without the California win.
I do not think we should expect a concession speech from this man. Ever.
BeyondGeography
(40,065 posts)He clearly is struggling with the reality of the situation. If he is still talking like this after DC, he will need to have his head examined, but this was a good step forward, imho.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)after awhile the garbage may just be stacked too high.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Most are losing their assets, which accounts for the increase among those in poverty and the working poor - of which there are more than there were 8 years ago. Feel free to hang on to your prejudice, or go look at the Census Bureau stats.
A few, notably those who are wealthy and donate more to political parties, are walking away with the bank.
Income among the middle class is plummeting
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According to Pew Research, in 1970 $3 of every $10 in income went to upper-income households. Now $5 of every $10 goes to them. The Social Security Administration reports that over half of Americans make less than $30,000 per year. That's less than an appropriate average living wage of $16.87 per hour, as calculated by Alliance for a Just Society.
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A new study finds nearly a 15-year difference in life expectancy between 40-year-old men among the richest 1 percent and the poorest 1 percent. The gap is 10 years for women. Much of the disparity has arisen in just the past 15 years.
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In fact, it could be even more than half. The Wall Street Journal recently reported on a JP Morgan study's conclusion that "the bottom 80% of households by income lack sufficient savings to cover the type of volatility observed in income and spending." Fewer than one in three 25- to 34-year-olds live in their own homes, a 20 percent drop in just the past 15 years.
Renters are faring even worse. The number of families spending more than half their incomes on rentthe 'severely' cost-burdened rentershas increased by a stunning 50 percent in just ten years. Billionaire Steve Schwarzman, whose company Blackstone has been buying up tens of thousands of homes at rock-bottom prices and then renting them out at exorbitant rates while waiting out the housing market, recently said he finds the growing anger among voters "astonishing."
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http://www.alternet.org/economy/once-middle-class-millions-are-joining-ranks-disposable-americans
The hurting economy still exists. Perhaps the most telling sign that the U.S. isn't back to normal is the 44.7 million Americans on food stamps. Joe is one of them, something else he never envisioned in his life.
Before the financial crisis there were only 26.3 million people on food stamps"
http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/26/news/economy/middle-class-to-homeless/index.html?sr=cnnmoneybin043016middle-class-to-homeless0900vodtop
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Maybe those hungry kids can eat your hot air.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)able to start from a good place.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)will the revolution continue?
Will we just roll over, or will we fight back.
Here in Oregon there will be a land grab for Federal Lands to be turned over to the state and counties, so logging can be increased, that's what our future looks like.
The fight is just starting.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)But I won't send them south to Oregon.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)successful on behalf the American people. ( I would included the
other Dem's)
floriduck
(2,262 posts)forget to tell that to the Iraqi and Libyan people who suffer today.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)35 houses, and both chambers of congress: second: Iraqi was
Bushes choice he said so. The Clinton's made a different choice
when office concerning Iraqi
The Dem's and Clinton's fight tirelessly for the poor: its
the middle class is doesn't have help right now.
The reason the GOP are able to block everything is because
they have votes. We need to change that; that is why the election
is not just about Hillary is about the American people: She
is just the Captain of the ship only:
turbinetree
(25,420 posts)all one has to do is look and read what happened in Thomas Franks book Listen Liberal to see who, and why, this word "welfare"
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)it was very progressive and it worked.
turbinetree
(25,420 posts)the 1994 bill that was signed had cuts to social programs and 'welfare" programs and made it harder for human beings to qualify, and this was the beginning of a litmus test that has only grown as each year passes, one has to look no further than seeing a mother or a father on a street corner with a sign saying "Homeless". Or a mother and father not making enough and needing the government, you and me to help
My concept of progressive is that if you pay into the system , which we all do, then, those that get caught on that street corner, or not making enough deserve my society and country's help, not the other way around and this the word "welfare", should not have been used.
A person that was running the country in 1994 signed that bill-------that is a fact-------------it could have been vetoed---------------it was not
That was not, what Francis Perkins idea of what welfare stands for, and it did not mean to cut and gut a programs, she is the person that created the most of the social programs in this country---------------which are under attack.
Have a nice day---------------
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)class. The Clinton's pulled 7.4 million people out of poverty : The
snap program was cut under Bush and the GOP:
snot
(10,785 posts)cost me 1/4 of my retirement savings, at point in life where I can't make up for the loss.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)fine when the left the white house.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,518 posts)that money to her and Bill and fight for the middle class and the poor! She will fight for the 99%, not the 1% who she will go after, actually making them pay taxes, increase SS...
Sarcasm!
Wibly
(613 posts)Germany had a great economy under Hitler. If your only gauge regarding a country's health is its economy, then you are sorely messed.
When the only people who can win nomination to the Presidency and other high office are the uber wealthy, then your country is indeed in serious trouble.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)lark
(24,325 posts)Good grief! I can see comparisons of Hitler to Trump, absolutely, but Clinton? Watching Faux too much lately?
is like Nixon
lark
(24,325 posts)He was a mixed bag, some good and some bad. He normalized relations with China, he supported some gun control and alternative energy. he's definitely not the worst Repug president we've had. That would be, to date, GW.
snot
(10,785 posts)Bernie wasn't.
We are in serious trouble.
I also agree that we're in serious trouble in non-economic ways.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)for twice the work. And you can pretty much wipe your ass with that degree.
It will still cost you though, we're not letting go of any profits.
We don't have full employment. Just so many have given up.
Tired of your lies here.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)The infrastructure jobs will be highly paid: Hillary will able to work
on that right away since she doesn't have the mess Bush left for
Obama to contend with.
Econ 101 full employment is 5%: people who are not working because
of retiring and baby boomers.
But you are right we need to get the wages up and moving: that
cannot be done until we move the GOP out of the way.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)pesky human component, as so many other jobs have done via offshoring, cutbacks with those left taking on the additional work, etc.
That 4.75% is a very hollow claim.
OwlinAZ
(410 posts)But the low information voters do not care
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)personally according to the article on politico. I thought he was
nice guy: It turns out he had a great ego.
This is the sort of talk that will ultimately turn Sanders supporters away from the Democrats.
You need to check your lip, and your vitriol. You sound more like Trump than a Democrat.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)was really about.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)OwlinAZ
(410 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)of a clinton win.I feel sorry for all the struggling people out there,
who will be totally forgotten no matter who is elected.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)We can't forget what really went down.
modestybl
(458 posts)...HRC's constitutents, first and foremost, will be the big money donors who have propped her up for years. Not us.
We've had the scales weighted months before the first vote was cast with the ~450 supers already behind HRC giving her an "insurmountable" lead. Those are the rules. But they don't vote until July 25. That's also the rules. You like the rules when it unfairly advantages your side, but throw tantrums and start calling names when they work against you.
What you and most HRC folks don't understand, is that the priority for Sanders and his supporters is to change are our whole rotten, money-soaked system. HRC's whole political career has centered around whatever increases her power. That's why she could voter for the Iraq War resolution, advocate for it and lie about the non-existent intelligence the she and Bill "saw"... If we couldn't beat her in a slanted field, we have to restrain her worst instincts if she is the nominee.
HRC supporters are a surly bunch when losing... they are even uglier when "winning". The adults who understand the real problems facing our country and planet will be undeterred by threats and intimidation, and will never stop working to change our politics. Many HRC supporters behave like school yard children whining about it being "her turn" and we should "go home".
Grow up.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)The only ones that Sanders supported were rich white kids that
thought they were going get free college.
The Clinton's pulled 7.4m people out of poverty and
raise the taxes the rich 1% when office.
The Clinton's proved like Governor Brown in Cal that
Dem's ideas work: both have put the American people
in black and took care of the poor and elderly.
modestybl
(458 posts)So, in your opinion, college only matters to "rich white kids"??
But if you are free to believe that defense contractors, fossil fuels industry, banking industry, Big Pharma, etc. are on your side ... because that's who HRC will have to answer to.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)modestybl
(458 posts)....that she won with minority votes... probably explains why the DNC has been so silent on vote fraud since 2000... the suppression techniques the benefit Repubs in November, benefits incumbents and party favorites in primaries...
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)when the Clinton's were in power the 1st time they put people
first. That's is why the GOP went after the Clinton's they helped
rebuild the middle class.
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)middle class. It is more robust than ever today!!!
The GOP went after Clinton because:
1) Bill pushed a tax increase in '94 to help balance the budget, which he did. Kudos to him on that.
2) They felt cheated thinking Bush Sr. should have won but didn't because of Perot.
3) each election the R's get meaner and more devious and venal in their behavior. It's a natural progression from the plans put in place back in the 70's and 80's.
beltanefauve
(1,784 posts)I would add that the viciousness and vindictive behavior began after Nixon was forced to either resign or be impeached. Some Republicans, such as Dick Cheney, still seem to want to get even.
missingthebigdog
(1,233 posts)I am not the one that is having a hard time dealing with reality.
Part of being an adult is accepting that sometimes you are wrong about things. You are wrong about Hillary. You are wrong about her supporters.
It is insulting when you rail on about how disrespectful those who support Hillary are to your chosen candidate while advocating for the disenfranchisement of the millions of people who voted for her.
Are those millions of people just stupid? Are all of them the "big money donors?" Or is it possible that the majority of Democrats believe in Hillary's vision for the country? Maybe that's why she got more votes?
Nobody is asking you to go home. We would very much prefer it if you continued to advocate for a positive change. That means working to defeat Trump, and working to turn Congress blue. We can do those things together. But first we have to let go of the fantasy that it would be more fair to somehow give the nomination to the guy that came in second. That is the grown up thing to do.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)and that is not real or earned. It is Sander people that ran a wish list:
the rest of the party were dealing with reality that is why they voted
for Hillary.
missingthebigdog
(1,233 posts)You and I seem to be in agreement.
modestybl
(458 posts)Continued low wages? Healthcare is NOT a right ("Never NEVER going to happen" ? The banks allowed to be "too big to fail"? Crushing student debt? (as Bill took $16M as a board member of a for-proft college raking in the cash from indebted students)? Fracking?
What vision of hers is more compelling than Sanders? Her only answer is No We Can't. Is that yours?
larkrake
(1,674 posts)as far as the public loving Hill, interpret it as you will. Her unfavorables belie that, I think more are just settling and live in fear of change, or they like war and corporations
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)For the first time in years, young people saw someone who cared about the fact that they were loaded with a lifetime of debt peonage, with little prospect for decent jobs at middle-class wages.
American workers, of all ages, saw hope again of restoring decent jobs rather than seeing them outsourced.
Bernie's promise to expand Social Security restored hope for a dignified retirement, without having to push carts at Wally World.
Hillary adopted many of Bernie's issues; but, tell you the truth, she just isn't credible on any of them.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)someone for the common man.
The Wielding Truth
(11,423 posts)She has not won anything yet.
Let's be honest here, and stop counting the chickens before they hatch.
Let due process continue.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)He fights for policies and causes. These have not changed or gone away.
I suspect he is struggling with throwing support behind the Wall Street funded candidate.
OwlinAZ
(410 posts)for all her lying and cheating
OwlinAZ
(410 posts)He loves this country and its ideals. He's not just in this to enrich himself as is Hillary.
missingthebigdog
(1,233 posts)Why should he just give up? Because he has lost, and there is no prize for coming in second.
If his intentions are honorable, and what he really wants is to better the country, he will begin the healing process and work WITH the winning candidate to forward his goals.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I think he is fighting for what he has always fought for, and it is much bigger than winning a presidential nomination or even election.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)I thought it was respectful to his supporters, Hillary Supporters, Biden, Obama and the process.
He hates Trump - which is very clear.
Thank you Bernie.
modestybl
(458 posts)And a fighter. As sickening as it is to consider the Dem nominee may be a bought and paid for corporate shill, we can still fight against her own self-centered instincts and get her onto the right message.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)the nasty attack against Hillary: He became drunk on fame an lost
his way: Hillary have given 30 years to this country. Sander
sat in the Senate yaking and accomplishing nothing.
Hillary is very far from self center: the poor vote went for her because
she has been reliable to them.
modestybl
(458 posts)... you have to behave like a child throwing a tantrum.
There is such a thing as a sore "winner", and the HRC crowd exemplifies it.
HRC has 30 years working for her own political power. From being on the board of directors of Walmart (think that had nothing to do with her husband being Governor?), to her Iraq war vote, to her unwavering support of the big banks, she's just in it for herself.
But go on name-calling, the adults aren't moved by it, or intimidation or threats. We are pushing to change the whole corrupt, money-soaked system, not just getting "our guy" elected.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:17 PM - Edit history (1)
worked the Dem party and the American people. Just a fact!
The Clinton's didn't' have any real wealth until they were in the 50's:
they could both have been much richer if that was the goal.
She is at center the a kind moral person that believes the American
people are worth fighting for and she has done it most of her life.
Sander at 73 deiced for his ego to run President: he let Hillary and
other take the fight to the GOP years. He never put himself out
raise money or knock on doors.
Wibly
(613 posts)DU should really reconsider allowing you to post your vitriol. Posts like your are endangering the chances Sanders supporters will get on board with the Democrats. Why should they join a bunch of trash talking people like you?
Your hatred of Sanders, and your blind allegiance to Clinton, is not a good combination. It certainly does not promote democracy, or unity.
Read your own posts on this thread alone, and think about them.
You are not helping the Democratic Party's cause.
BuddhaGirl
(3,652 posts)about Bernie from Clinton supporters might turn his supporters away from her and not work together to defeat Trump?
My, how shallow.
beltanefauve
(1,784 posts)Obama and Clinton were more similar than different, and it was much easier for the supporters of both candidates to come together for a common cause. In fact, many of Sanders supporters are people who voted for "Hope and Change ", which never really came. This time around, Hill and her supporters have repeatedly, through words and actions indicated that they don't need the Sanders supporters on board.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)modestybl
(458 posts)But I agree that HRC supporters feel they should get a pass on lying and swift boating techniques against Sanders.
I guess they feel they don't need the votes of Sanders supporters...
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)Please delete this nonsense.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)has never had an original thought. There is no conversing...he just flips through pages of pre recorded closed loop tape scripts.
The Wielding Truth
(11,423 posts)He has little ego. He just wants to do what he has always done serve those of us who need representation. He has not pushed anything that would benefit himself or any already powerful entity.
Wow. You don't know him. He has marched with Martin Luther King Jr. Walked picket lines with unions and fought every day to better the lives of the working class. Really study him. You will be surprised.
He is a fine man who has high democratic and socialist ideals. Kind of what I was when I registered to be a Democrat in 1971. This is the only time when I would not have had to rationalize my vote if Bernie would have won the nomination.
Now I will vote for Hillary to keep out the truly despicable Republican crowd. I don't hate her. I like her. I just hope that she will remember that the people who brought her to the dance are not who she should be advocating for.They are in her face, but they already have enough power. We need her to fight for our welfare. We can't pick up and travel if we aren't happy like the 1%. We are the American people who live, work and die here in America.
That is who Bernie has always been working for.
mountain grammy
(27,369 posts)The Wielding Truth indeed. I agree with everything you said there.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)huge ego. Read the politico article: the people close to him say
it was about him and Jane.
The Wielding Truth
(11,423 posts)mountain grammy
(27,369 posts)or the people who support him, and yet, you go on. Sad.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)that: He was not the nice man he was before he ran.
modestybl
(458 posts)... in the last several years, through their network of Clinton Foundation donors (who also had business in front of the State Department, who are big donors to HRC's campaign - and they are expecting something in return). They couldn't have been that rich without getting into the WH first... and her getting back into the WH is what continues to enrich them personally.
She's the kind of morally bankrupt person that could vote for the Iraq War resolution, promote that war and lie about the non-existent intelligence that she and Bill "saw". She has promoted every rotten trade deal that shipped factories overseas and gave multinationals the right to override our own environment and safety laws. She has supported all the repeals of FDR-era law that prevented big financial institutions from wreaking the kind of havoc that brought down the world economy in 2008.
She hasn't raised any money yet for state parties this year that didn't get filtered right back into her own campaign. She's in it for herself, not us.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)for and they help millions of people. Hillary made millions in the private
sector that she is now spending to help the Dem party fight the GOP.
modestybl
(458 posts)BTW, my standard go-to site for charities is Charity Navigator... the BBB of these types of organizations. After putting a warning flag on the Foundation, they decided because of its unconventional organization and lack of transparency, they refused to rate it.
Not a good sign.
OwlinAZ
(410 posts)self aggrandizing, sneaky and dishonest.
You want someone like this as our country's leader? Well, you and your idiot friends just might get it.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)she was been accused of ever.
deadchicken7
(7 posts)Dude/Dudette,
Please stop. Between the bad syntax, grammar, and deliberately inflammatory comments which are occasionally outright lies, I would consider you a troll. This is literally the first or second comment I have ever made and I don't expect to do more, since I use this site as an aggregator, but after months of seeing you do this over and over I'm begging you to stop. If you really support Clinton, you're doing more harm than good.
PS:. I'm a registered socialist and I'm still voting for Clinton if she's the nominee (which, yes, I entirely expect to be the case) because them's the breaks. I would not suggest trying to attack me as a Sander's supporter (which I am) because, well, the last sentence.
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)MidwestTech
(170 posts)Seriously throughout this entire primary both sides have done their level best to stick to the issues.
Hillarys victory speech was pleasantly conciliatory towards Bernie people.
being a gracious winner is a trait I want in my president.
Bernie's reaction has been honest and accepting.
Look at the crowds he was constantly pulling!
If you went to a gathering and had 2-5x the expected number every time, you'd be shaken by such a loss, especially with stories of falderall.
I'm not disputing that Hillary won, like Bernie I just want the ENTIRE populace the chance to vote.
He knows he's lost, but it's his right to take it to the convention.
Both candidates have proven to be better people than many of their most fanatical supporters.
we should all take the example of our chosen candidate and just... chill and let things settle.
hillary people need to clam down, bernie people need time to mourn... then we need to all work to beat the ever living piss out of trump and the entire gop!
SamKnause
(13,872 posts)He is a fine, passionate, trust worthy, honorable, humble man.
I only wish people could see him through my eyes.
I wish people could envision this country the way Bernie knows it can
be and should be.
His dreams are my dreams.
valerief
(53,235 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)rgbecker
(4,877 posts)Why can't Clinton bring herself to reach out and adopt some of these straight forward ideas Sanders is continuing to put on the table? How could she be against taxing the rich and making public college's tuition free? Who is she courting by consistently refusing to listen to the young and disenfranchised who have latched on to Sanders call for Medicare for all, $15 MINIMUM WAGE and increasing Social Security benefits so grandma doesn't have to live on $1000/mo after 45 years of paying her share?
Politicub
(12,290 posts)You're not paying attention if you believe that hasn't happened.
I knew little about Sanders before this primary. He seems to be having a hard time. Perhaps it's the stages of grief playing out.
Hillary will be a wonderful president and I'm thrilled to no end at the prospect of building on Obama's accomplishments and introducing innovative proposals of her own.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,383 posts)Thanks
Politicub
(12,290 posts)Start by listening to her speech from Tuesday evening.
I'm not going to do the work for you.
BBG
(2,991 posts)No changes in position so no need for the links.
The Wielding Truth
(11,423 posts)pushed her ready at 3am stance not social issues.Let's hope that the pressure of the Bernie run keeps her focused on us - the 99%.
From her past I can surmise that she will do her best to represent women's rights. keep the economy steady, satisfy her investors and try to calm the right wing. Elizabeth Warren, Bernie and all of us who have seen the our country slipping into serfdom would help her remember that we need to bolster the lower and middle classes and let business make it's way without all it's social welfare.
muktiman
(19 posts)It's not about him and it is clear that he really cares about us. Too bad the Democratic "Politburo" does not see the train wreck that is the Clinton nomination.
I stand with Bernie; it's a movement revolution.
Hillary will continue the murder of the middle class. After all, the's been paid nearly $100 million over the past few years? What
do you think all those speeches were about?
liberal N proud
(60,972 posts)This is good!
Politicub
(12,290 posts)It's clear that president Obama has a tremendous amount of respect about what Sanders has accomplished.
mountain grammy
(27,369 posts)and that is good! We could have a real Democratic sweep here and that's very good! Trump or no Trump, Republicans gotta go!
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)defeat Donald Trump. The Democratic Party and the citizenry benefit from his leadership and ideas.
nilram
(3,006 posts)Just like in the 2008 campaign, every voter gets a choice for an active campaign.
I did not hear him say he would take the fight to the convention, though, and even though I'm a supporter, I think it's best for him to use his influence to move the party in the directions he indicates in the video.
midnight
(26,624 posts)modestybl
(458 posts)And it won't be just the Sanders delegates that have to be convinced... there will be thousands of people in town demonstration for a progressive Democratic Party - and thousands who were locked out of the primary process this year.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I love Bernie! He cares about us. All of us.
And I want his revolution to take off and change the country. I hope all his hard work pays off.