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There is a lot of understandable disappointment among Bernie Sanders supporters after the latest string of primary defeats, but the movement will have only truly lost if the people who were energized by his campaign stop working. We CAN push the Democratic Party to the left, and most importantly, we have to work to make sure that Donald Trump does not win the White House. So we have to dust ourselves off and make sure that our voices continue to be heard so that we can save our Democracy.
valerief
(53,235 posts)OwlinAZ
(410 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Hillary.
You made your bed.
Tough.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Yes, blocking Trump is the most important thing in this election. However, Hillary Clinton is not going to turn into Elizabeth Warren by January 20.
We progressives -- let's not let Hillary hijack that word -- should flowchart our plans with a lot of decision boxes at given points in the future. Do we believe we can change the Democratic Party into the party whose heritage is the New Deal or must we strike out on our own to bring that party into existence? Interestingly, that will be a lot easier question to ask if Donald Trump leads the GOP into historical oblivion in November.
Hill Man
(15 posts)America (and the world) will still BE here after four years of a Clinton Administration!
DemMomma4Sanders
(274 posts)one real estate tycoon won't either. America is more than one man.
Hill Man
(15 posts)This is Fox News! FOX!
DemMomma4Sanders
(274 posts)This is the kind of bullshit rhetoric that is turning people away from the MSM.
Trumps a dolt on the environment and workers rights, he plays to his crowd....but there isn't a shred of evidence to support this nonsense.
I wish people would stick w the facts....theres enough bad about the candidates that we needent resort to fantasy.
Hill Man
(15 posts)Republican primary front-runner Donald Trump says North Korean communist dictator Kim Jong-un deserves credit for the cutthroat efficiency with which he disposes of his political foes.
If you look at North Korea, this guy, hes like a maniac, OK? Trump said at a rally in Ottumwa, Iowa, on Saturday.
And youve got to give him credit: How many young guys he was like 26 or 25 when his father died take over these tough generals and all of a sudden, you know, its pretty amazing when you think of it. How does he do that? he added.
Even though it is a culture, and its a culture thing, he goes in, he takes over, hes the boss. Its incredible.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/265353-trump-kim-jong-un-deserves-credit-for-taking-out-rivals
The only real difference is that a President Trump would have vastly more nukes than little Kim.
DemMomma4Sanders
(274 posts)Does Hillaries support for the Iraq war and Libyan invasion that decimated water, electricity infrastructure, schools, innocent civilians mean she is going to commit genocide if she wins the general?
Theres far more evidence of a historical precedent for one than the other.
If the news keeps up with what is obviously fantastic bs nonsense talk people are going to vote for Trump simply because its obvious the ELITES despise him.
Wanna turn people off of trump? Stick to talking about his support for poisonous coal, oil, and his anti-union sentiments.
840high
(17,196 posts)PatSeg
(47,427 posts)We barely survived eight years of GW Bush. I can't imagine surviving a Trump presidency.
What is important now is beating Trump and winning down ballot races, not beating one another up. Best put that energy to more constructive use.
OwlinAZ
(410 posts)Sorry, children
PatSeg
(47,427 posts)and Senate, we have a chance to improve the middle class. Dems have a bad habit of putting all the emphasis on the White house, often even skipping mid-term elections. FDR himself could not get anything progressive through our current congress.
surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)How likely is that?
If we had a truly inspiring presidential candidate this year, we could probably win a majority in the Senate. The House is another story entirely. Districts are so badly gerrymandered as to rule that out.
PatSeg
(47,427 posts)in the House from 2007 to 2011, under both GW Bush and Barack Obama. I know republicans cheat and gerrymander their districts, but if Democrats would actually turn out the vote, there is a good chance we can take back both the House and the Senate.
Republicans don't sit back and whine, they vote religiously every election. Democrats tend to get political in dramatic spurts, but if they don't have an inspiring candidate, they often take a "why bother" attitude. This is true especially of young voters. I know, I was a young voter once.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)He has been involved in just about every fiasco in terms of international affairs that this country has been involved in since at least the beginning of the Nixon years.
He is a horror story in and of himself -- and a friend and adviser of Hillary's.
No way will we "survive" a Hillary presidency in good shape.
videohead5
(2,172 posts)Hillary only listens to what Kissinger says?..just because she listens to different people on foreign policy does not mean she will use anything they say.Hillary will have her own people she will listen to.even Obama has talked to Kissinger.that does not mean he took his advice to do anything.this is nothing more than guilt by association.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Google it. She and some other actually vacationed with Kissinger.
No way will I vote for someone who socializes with Henry Kissinger and names him as an adviser. No way.
videohead5
(2,172 posts)Guilt by association...
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)In one of the debates, Hillary credited Kissinger as one of her advisers.
Bernie immediately stated that Kissinger was not one of his advisers.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Sorry gtv, I love your stuff, but at some point we have to draw the line.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)When are these people going to realize this?
Many Independents who registered as Democrats to vote for Bernie will probably re-register as Independents.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)of my favorites, runs as her vice president.
Hillary never released the transcripts of her Wall Street speeches. She counts Henry Kissinger as an adviser. If one of those facts did not eliminate her from consideration for the presidency, the other would.
Sorry. No Hillary for me.
840high
(17,196 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Voted for the war, takes money from wall street who devastated our middle class, approved TPP...
The list could go on and on and on... The truth is, she seems to have gotten coincidentally, an AWFUL lot of assistance lately... Obama inviting Sanders to the WH after chatting for a long time on the phone, Elizabeth Warren coming out with the 1-2 punch to Drumpf, and STILL....
We have a Democratic contender who overSHADOWS in leadership with a competent, HONEST record who is RIGHT THERE up to and including July 25th.
So, I'm just a little curious as to all of a sudden why so many have come out today, including the GoLeftTV mouthpiece.
Please...
demwing
(16,916 posts)Even if she were to put her hand yo thr bible and swear to pursue a true progressive agenda, how could she ever be trusted?
surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)... it doesn't mean that they will vote for anybody with a D next to their name. It just means they want to be able to vote in future primaries.
A lot of voters "join" a party for practical reasons, not as a matter of personal identity.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Just read the Wikipedia article on Henry Kissinger. You will probably understand.
videohead5
(2,172 posts)When Trump appoints 3 right wing judges to the supreme court...look in the mirror.when people lose their right to marry who they love...look in the mirror.when women lose the right to choose...look in the mirror.when citizens united does not get turned over...look in the mirror when people lose their healthcare...look in the mirror...don't say well it's the voters fault for voting for Hillary instead of Bernie they need to be punished for their vote.that is petty and childish.even if you get what you want in 2020 because Trump is a disaster those supreme court judges will be there for 40 years.trying to punish someone else for your bitterness and selfishness will come back to haunt you in spades.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)losing the November election, not those of us who voted for Bernie.
videohead5
(2,172 posts)That's pathetic.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)If you vote for someone then you are responsible for your vote and its consequences.
In the case of Hillary, a vote for her has consequences. The people who elected her to the Senate share the responsibility for her "mistaken" vote for the Iraq War.
On the other hand, those in Vermont who voted for Bernie share some of his credit for his wise vote on the Iraq War Resolution.
Voting is a responsibility. It has consequences.
I voted for Bernie because I know that I can trust him to do his best and to consider the possible long-range outcomes of his decisions.
I do not think that Hillary can be trusted to do likewise. Therefore I did not and will not vote for her.
And that is unfortunate because I would like to be able to vote for a woman for president in good conscience. But Hillary is not the one.
videohead5
(2,172 posts)Responsible.other Democrats voted for it.it would have passed without her vote.the bill was not a mandatory go to war document.it only gave the use of force if needed.we had weapons inspectors in Iraq and Bush pulled them out before they could finish the job.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)videohead5
(2,172 posts)Your vote will be needed anyway...
Peace and Love.
840high
(17,196 posts)PADemD
(4,482 posts)Response to GoLeft TV (Original post)
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