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While Donald Trump needs to be stopped on his quest to be crowned the King of America, Hillary Clinton will not be given a free pass by Progressives. If she wants to win in November, shell have to prove that she is a REAL progressive and that shell fight against corporate special interests. Ring of Fires Farron Cousins discusses this.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)if that is what you are wanting. She will be as she always has been, a hard working woman for the underdog.
peace13
(11,076 posts)Words and deeds matter.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)An example of one of the "underdogs", Mr. Bankfein of Goldman Sachs:
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)nomination.
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)not the wealthy moneyed interests of Wall street banksters or the oligarchs. Stands for income equality, civil rights for LGBT etc.. Trade policies that are good for union workers and the American economy over foreign economies. Clinton needs to stand up against the big bank's deregulation and wall street deregulation and trade policies which ship jobs overseas. She has yet to announce she stands for any of these things. Progressive means doing what is best for all of us and not just the wealthy which is what the DLC has stood for in the past as unions dwindled. She can be a good candidate by picking up some of the populist ideals...those ideals that a majority of Americans claim they want according to all the polls and 33% of democrats is not a majority of Americans. It's why Bernie is so popular among independents and this is what Cllinon needs to do to win. No one ask her to kiss ass or beg so why the trash talk? Listening and discussing to others viewpoints is the sign of a good leader...Unless you think we need to pay her like the banks did. See how pathetic trash talk is when it's not on your side.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)DemMomma4Sanders
(274 posts)Most progressives understand that politicians lie endlessly to get elected then turn around and keep subsidies and corporations littered with taxdollars.
How is she going to prove this before the GE? The only way I seeing this happen is if she releases her Wall Street speeches which she vowed to do.
Ineeda
(3,626 posts)is the exception to your broad brush characterization?
Quoting you: Most progressives understand that politicians lie endlessly to get elected then turn around and keep subsidies and corporations littered with taxdollars.
DemMomma4Sanders
(274 posts)Fuck no, but he said things, made people aware of things that would have saw a politician assasinated 50 years ago.
He was supporting gay marriage and national healthcare before it was popular, while Hillary was denouncing these things as unrealistic or unAmerican.
So forgive me for putting my faith in the one who remained constant instead of a wild card too closely connected to criminal banks.
More on point....How will Hillary prove shes going to do the things she says she will?
Ineeda
(3,626 posts)Bernie. Just commenting on your broad brush anti-politician comment -- a 'gentle' reminder that Bernie is a politician too, and has been one for a lot longer than the target of your criticism. I personally believe that there are many honest, unselfish, uncorrupted politicians (and have been mocked for that belief). I was not commenting on Hillary's OR Bernie's record, or even your opinion of either. Put your faith wherever you choose.
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)money. Very few politicians can say that. So yeah...Bernie is a big exception
not disputing the opinion, nor the conclusions reached -- only the way of presenting the flawed criteria DemMomma4Sanders expressed. Many politicians are just as virtuous as Bernie. Some are not. Try to actually read and not be so defensive.
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)If she is proven to have broken laws and endangered people or taken money in exchange for immoral purposes then that is a matter for the courts. Those would be crimes against the people.
mdbl
(5,499 posts)That is the job they applied for. If anything, they OWE you integrity.
peace13
(11,076 posts)chwaliszewski
(1,528 posts)Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)Take the post and switch hillary's name with Bernie's change a few words in the body and voila instant retort. No offense but the hurt feelings of the Bernie supporters is not hillary's or ours to coddle. There was a race of 2 people on the same team one won and one lost but only lost the nomination however won in what wanted and that was to push this whole thing to the left and we are more to the left now then we would have been.
A movement has been started and it's up to the voter's to keep it going. Be sure to vote down ballot if nothing else.
jalan48
(14,508 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)(and she already has more than you think, btw)
But, while yes she has to earn that support, the door swings both ways, and there is at least an obligation to listen and give her a chance before stamping your feet and walking away.
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)then I'll call her a progressive. Saying yes to LGBT and equal pay for women does not make you a progressive...that's the easy part. Saying yes to paid maternity leave, $15 m wage, cancel all trade policies and bring factories back home through taxes and tariffs, regulate wall street banks, add a transaction tax, tax on carbon. start ending our dependence on fossil fuel and rely on renewable energy, rebuild infrastructure, Medicare for all while increasing SS benefits. Bring back the corporate death penalty, get the money out of politics and overturn Citizens United. Take your pick Hillary of at least 10
NOW you're a progressive and a populist bringing to the American people what they claim they want when polled.
chwaliszewski
(1,528 posts)Listen up, Hillary supporters. This is what us Bernie supporters are talking about. Right there, in a nutshell. The threat of a Trump presidency won't cut it for me to vote for Hillary. Not gonna happen. But this suggestion, that will do it. Oh, and you can throw in there 'No more wars' for good measure. I'm tired of us dropping bombs and shooting missiles at other countries. If you don't think Hillary should follow any of these suggestions then we can't be on the same team.