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GoLeft TV

(3,912 posts)
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:56 PM Jun 2016

Hillary Must EARN Progressive Votes, No One Is Capitulating To The DNC



While Donald Trump needs to be stopped on his quest to be crowned the King of America, Hillary Clinton will not be given a free pass by Progressives. If she wants to win in November, she’ll have to prove that she is a REAL progressive and that she’ll fight against corporate special interests. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins discusses this.
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Hillary Must EARN Progressive Votes, No One Is Capitulating To The DNC (Original Post) GoLeft TV Jun 2016 OP
You obviously have a very thin definition of what a progressive is. She won't kiss your ass or beg, tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
Your rewriting of history is disturbing on many levels. peace13 Jun 2016 #5
"A hard working woman for the underdog"??? Stop, I'm laughing too much! Herman4747 Jun 2016 #11
Great pic. Exactly what progressives fear. bjobotts Jun 2016 #20
Hillary is progressive: and She was on the the progressive party's lewebley3 Jun 2016 #15
A progressive is one who works to advance the agenda of the working man and middle class & bjobotts Jun 2016 #17
I'm progressive, she's won my vote. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #2
Yeah...this time the proof, action must exist before she is elected. DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #3
So "your" politician Ineeda Jun 2016 #9
You want an honest answer? Do I think Bernie was perfect? DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #10
I never criticized your loyalty or admiration of Ineeda Jun 2016 #12
Yes but he's not a multimillionaire and doesn't hang around with lobbyists.Not influenced by big mon bjobotts Jun 2016 #18
AGAIN... Ineeda Jun 2016 #23
Behold the arrogance of the Bernie supporter Ohioblue22 Jun 2016 #4
She doesn't owe me anything, and I owe her nothing. peace13 Jun 2016 #8
All politicians DO owe you something mdbl Jun 2016 #13
Thanks for that. I stand corrected. peace13 Jun 2016 #16
I might be tempted to counter that with... chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #21
The form of this response is not surprising and typical of retorts from the Bernie supporters Ohioblue22 Jun 2016 #24
As it should be. jalan48 Jun 2016 #6
I agree she must earn progressives' support bluestateguy Jun 2016 #7
Like her husband said, "Where else they got to go".When she stands up against banks, wall street bjobotts Jun 2016 #19
^^^ This ^^^ chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #22
This old time socialist and progressive, happily voted for her! nt procon Jun 2016 #14
 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
1. You obviously have a very thin definition of what a progressive is. She won't kiss your ass or beg,
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:58 PM
Jun 2016

if that is what you are wanting. She will be as she always has been, a hard working woman for the underdog.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
11. "A hard working woman for the underdog"??? Stop, I'm laughing too much!
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jun 2016

An example of one of the "underdogs", Mr. Bankfein of Goldman Sachs:

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
17. A progressive is one who works to advance the agenda of the working man and middle class &
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jun 2016

not the wealthy moneyed interests of Wall street banksters or the oligarchs. Stands for income equality, civil rights for LGBT etc.. Trade policies that are good for union workers and the American economy over foreign economies. Clinton needs to stand up against the big bank's deregulation and wall street deregulation and trade policies which ship jobs overseas. She has yet to announce she stands for any of these things. Progressive means doing what is best for all of us and not just the wealthy which is what the DLC has stood for in the past as unions dwindled. She can be a good candidate by picking up some of the populist ideals...those ideals that a majority of Americans claim they want according to all the polls and 33% of democrats is not a majority of Americans. It's why Bernie is so popular among independents and this is what Cllinon needs to do to win. No one ask her to kiss ass or beg so why the trash talk? Listening and discussing to others viewpoints is the sign of a good leader...Unless you think we need to pay her like the banks did. See how pathetic trash talk is when it's not on your side.

 

DemMomma4Sanders

(274 posts)
3. Yeah...this time the proof, action must exist before she is elected.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jun 2016

Most progressives understand that politicians lie endlessly to get elected then turn around and keep subsidies and corporations littered with taxdollars.

How is she going to prove this before the GE? The only way I seeing this happen is if she releases her Wall Street speeches which she vowed to do.

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
9. So "your" politician
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:06 PM
Jun 2016

is the exception to your broad brush characterization?
Quoting you: Most progressives understand that politicians lie endlessly to get elected then turn around and keep subsidies and corporations littered with taxdollars.

 

DemMomma4Sanders

(274 posts)
10. You want an honest answer? Do I think Bernie was perfect?
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:11 PM
Jun 2016

Fuck no, but he said things, made people aware of things that would have saw a politician assasinated 50 years ago.

He was supporting gay marriage and national healthcare before it was popular, while Hillary was denouncing these things as unrealistic or unAmerican.

So forgive me for putting my faith in the one who remained constant instead of a wild card too closely connected to criminal banks.

More on point....How will Hillary prove shes going to do the things she says she will?

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
12. I never criticized your loyalty or admiration of
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:23 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie. Just commenting on your broad brush anti-politician comment -- a 'gentle' reminder that Bernie is a politician too, and has been one for a lot longer than the target of your criticism. I personally believe that there are many honest, unselfish, uncorrupted politicians (and have been mocked for that belief). I was not commenting on Hillary's OR Bernie's record, or even your opinion of either. Put your faith wherever you choose.

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
18. Yes but he's not a multimillionaire and doesn't hang around with lobbyists.Not influenced by big mon
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jun 2016

money. Very few politicians can say that. So yeah...Bernie is a big exception

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
23. AGAIN...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:39 PM
Jun 2016

not disputing the opinion, nor the conclusions reached -- only the way of presenting the flawed criteria DemMomma4Sanders expressed. Many politicians are just as virtuous as Bernie. Some are not. Try to actually read and not be so defensive.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
8. She doesn't owe me anything, and I owe her nothing.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:05 PM
Jun 2016

If she is proven to have broken laws and endangered people or taken money in exchange for immoral purposes then that is a matter for the courts. Those would be crimes against the people.

mdbl

(5,499 posts)
13. All politicians DO owe you something
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:23 PM
Jun 2016

That is the job they applied for. If anything, they OWE you integrity.

chwaliszewski

(1,528 posts)
21. I might be tempted to counter that with...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:09 PM
Jun 2016
Behold the ignorance of the Hillary supporter but I will not since it might be hidden. I can only speak for myself when I say, as a Bernie supporter, that I love Bernie, hate Trump, and I'm really trying to not dislike Hillary but it's hard. There are a lot of things about her that I can't get past. Obnoxiousness and callousness from her supporters doesn't help draw me in.
 

Ohioblue22

(1,430 posts)
24. The form of this response is not surprising and typical of retorts from the Bernie supporters
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jun 2016

Take the post and switch hillary's name with Bernie's change a few words in the body and voila instant retort. No offense but the hurt feelings of the Bernie supporters is not hillary's or ours to coddle. There was a race of 2 people on the same team one won and one lost but only lost the nomination however won in what wanted and that was to push this whole thing to the left and we are more to the left now then we would have been.
A movement has been started and it's up to the voter's to keep it going. Be sure to vote down ballot if nothing else.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
7. I agree she must earn progressives' support
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:05 PM
Jun 2016

(and she already has more than you think, btw)

But, while yes she has to earn that support, the door swings both ways, and there is at least an obligation to listen and give her a chance before stamping your feet and walking away.

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
19. Like her husband said, "Where else they got to go".When she stands up against banks, wall street
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jun 2016

then I'll call her a progressive. Saying yes to LGBT and equal pay for women does not make you a progressive...that's the easy part. Saying yes to paid maternity leave, $15 m wage, cancel all trade policies and bring factories back home through taxes and tariffs, regulate wall street banks, add a transaction tax, tax on carbon. start ending our dependence on fossil fuel and rely on renewable energy, rebuild infrastructure, Medicare for all while increasing SS benefits. Bring back the corporate death penalty, get the money out of politics and overturn Citizens United. Take your pick Hillary of at least 10
NOW you're a progressive and a populist bringing to the American people what they claim they want when polled.

chwaliszewski

(1,528 posts)
22. ^^^ This ^^^
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jun 2016

Listen up, Hillary supporters. This is what us Bernie supporters are talking about. Right there, in a nutshell. The threat of a Trump presidency won't cut it for me to vote for Hillary. Not gonna happen. But this suggestion, that will do it. Oh, and you can throw in there 'No more wars' for good measure. I'm tired of us dropping bombs and shooting missiles at other countries. If you don't think Hillary should follow any of these suggestions then we can't be on the same team.

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