TJDS - Hillary Camp Using Insults & Name-Calling To Win Over Bernie Supporters

[phazed0]

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Are you people listening?

[villager]

1. Going by posts on this board, insults and name-calling are all they have.

What other potential gear is there for them to even shift into?

[MrMickeysMom]

19. Oh, no-no-no...

They also have developed extra large fonts showing the math that defines what we should see and nothing else.

[villager]

20. Well, true, you can never go wrong with extra large fonts.

[onecaliberal]

76. I know all about their math.

The same math that says she won California while they fail to count 2 million + votes.

[choie]

79. Spot on MMM!

[bkkyosemite]

31. Yes my ass has to look for a hole in the ground .....geeze...am a liar...scum...liar...pathetic

Yep you seem to be right on.

[captainarizona]

2. no iraq war voters

She and her supporters can call me a peace monger all they want. I mourn the 5.000 dead americans in iraq who died needlessly.

[Feeling the Bern]

3. peace monger is an insult? Wanting peace is now an insultable trait to have?

WTF happened to my country?

[captainarizona]

4. what has happened to the democratic party?

When people who voted for the iraq war are now running it.

[thomservo]

5. Wanting peace is...

"pie in the sky"

[Jopin Klobe]

82. It went thataway ...

[OnyxCollie]

22. Don't forget to mention the 100,000-1,000,000 Iraqis who died

so the petromilitary industrial complex would be guaranteed natural resources and big profits for decades.

Iraqi Lives Matter.

[jhart3333]

30. +1,000,000

[bkkyosemite]

34. Or the gas that killed thousands of children..........guess...

[tecelote]

62. +1 as another that believes her war record should disqualify her.

But, it seems, few care about the needless deaths.

Gotta support the status quo so our corporate citizens can continue to profit unhindered.

[jalan48]

6. The Hillary crowd has made clear they don't want or need our votes.

Honestly, it's a liberating feeling.

[sangfroid]

9. Sure.

The latest meme from the Hill crowd is:

1. Trump is falling apart on his own so they don't need Bernie's supporters anymore; and

2. That means Bernie has no influence anymore, so we all can eff right off.

Gosh, ain't she grand!

[Ford_Prefect]

13. Kinda gives "Love It Or Leave It" a whole new meaning.

1968 Redux (or was that 1999?) - in a brand new shiny wrapper. You be a patriot or we don't want you. Too many terrorists (Russians, Tyrants, Insert Favorite Villain Here...) left to kill for liberals and peace-niks to have a voice.

[bkkyosemite]

36. Trump and that call from Clinton...billy boy ....

[niyad]

99. would you care to cite any actual examples of this "latest meme" from an legitimate,

reliable source?

[sangfroid]

108. Not to Worry

Just a little more time and all questions will disappear. Well, at least until November.

[Jack Rabbit]

11. Since they like to do the math . . .

They are dismissing 47% of voters in Democratic primaries who chose Bernie Sanders. Do they really feel they can win without us?

[LiberalArkie]

12. And they say under their breath "We control the voting machines"

[Jack Rabbit]

14. Third Way Democrats have come a long way since the 2000 selection

Every step of it the wrong way.

[LiberalArkie]

15. Just good ol machine politics. Arkansas Democratic machine, Louisiana "Huey Long" machine

the Illinois Daley machine, can't forget the Tammany Hall machine in New York. All still there, they never left. All operated like the Mafia. We do not know who the Godfather of all of them are.

[Ford_Prefect]

18. They only wanted the White House. They have no viable plans to elect new Dems to House and Senate.

This is what happens when both sides of the equation are run by Big Money. Money buys the Campaign and Candidate they want and rigs the rest to fail. Hence Trump and other Repubs not worth the vote who are now at the top of their party. It worked before, just ask Deep Throat: "Look at who they're running against!"

Big Money now owns so much of Congress it doesn't matter who is in or out party-wise. They get what they want to regardless, hobble the regulators, privatize the services for the tax flow and continue the money laundering through the Arms deals for MIC contracts.

[Peace Patriot]

49. Yes, excellent analysis!

Thanks!

[glinda]

61. Same Masters.

[phazed0]

64. You got it!

[stopbush]

28. 43%.

[Johnny2X2X]

50. 43.3%

Bernie got 43.3% of the vote, not 47%. Hillary got 56.7% of the vote, but I guess that means Hillary has to bow down to Bernie demands.

[Gore1FL]

71. She can can go right to get Republican voters who are anti-Trump if she wants.

It's her choice who she "bows down to."

I guess it's too optimistic to assume she'd choose the Democrats?

[OnyxCollie]

80. She'll tack right.

It's what Bill did with his "tough on crime" stance.

[pansypoo53219]

66. sounds "brilliant" to me. she is ASSUMING she already is IN the white house.

[stopbush]

26. We don't and we don't.

You have that right.

[jalan48]

29. No Ralph Nader whining now....

[bkkyosemite]

37. The thing is we don't and we won't.

[stopbush]

60. Who cares? It will make no difference in the outcome

no matter how self-aggrandizing the BSers act.

[bkkyosemite]

35. Yes they keep bragging they don't need us or we are just a little teeeny tinnny group.

[jalan48]

38. Their Gaia change of world consciousness will wind up in the dust bin of history.

[OnyxCollie]

57. "43.3%"

Put 56.7% of Democrats who voted for Hillary against 90+% of Republicans who will vote against Hillary and see how that works out.

[Squinch]

106. 72% of BS supporters are already saying they will vote for Hillary. And no one had to

give them candy or anything. They are simply reasonable and understand how elections work.

It's just the BoBers who are still hanging on to the illogical "we're going to the convention" stuff. (You're going to the convention? Good on you! So are a lot of other people. Why do you keep telling us?)

And I'm guessing the 72% will increase. So the 43% number is moot at this point.

[NastyRiffraff]

110. Glad you're liberated!

No, really, I am! Because, you see, we don't need your vote. Let me repeat that, slowly, so you can understand: We. don't. need. your. vote. You (the BernieBros, the Bernie or Busters, etc.) are a very tiny minority. You really ought to get out more to see the big, wide world out there. The world where people can actually see that real change doesn't come overnight, or that a president isn't a dictator who can pass whatever laws he or she wants (remember Congress? Ask Obama about that). Or, in fact, just because you want something and kick and scream and pound a high chair tray with a spoon that means you will get it.

In short, grow up. When you hit the mental age of, oh, about 14, you may be able to understand how things work. And that's not necessarily the way you want.

[jalan48]

112. Wow-you got a really strong dose of Kool-Aid today.

[NastyRiffraff]

115. LOL!!!

You're so funny!

[840high]

111. They will not get my vote. EVER.

[NastyRiffraff]

114. Excellent!

We don't want your vote.

[turbinetree]

7. K&R

Couldn't have said it any better




Honk---------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[Ned_Devine]

8. Love it

[yallerdawg]

10. Unwatchable when it starts with a false premise.

From wiki:

Within a week after the November 4, 2008, presidential election, President-elect Obama and Clinton discussed over telephone the possibility of her serving as U.S. Secretary of State in his administration.

Obama and Clinton held a meeting on the subject on November 11. When the possibility became public on November 14, it came as a surprising and dramatic move, especially given the long, sometimes bitter battle the two had waged during the 2008 Democratic Party presidential primaries

Where did this bullshit about an Obama/Clinton deal for her to endorse come from?

I do hear it on Fox News when they wonder why "Hillary can't get Bernie to endorse her."

Why do we have to hear it here?

[ConservativeDemocrat]

27. Yes, it's an anti-Democratic lie

The question is.... why is this being hosted on the DemocraticUnderground?

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[DLCWIdem]

69. dO THEY REALISE THAT THEY ARE ALSO INSULTING OBAMA WHEN THEY USE THAT LIE

[yallerdawg]

77. It's a two-for-one special!

I don't know if they ever met a Democrat they liked!

[DLCWIdem]

91. well they like Tulsi Gabbard who

criticizes Obama for not saying we are at war with "Islamic fundalmentalists" and wants to bar Syrians from coming into the country. She is the Fox news darling and her father was a repug, now democrat. So I will say they still do not like any democrats.

[yallerdawg]

93. Like her like this? And despise that "other Democrat."

[skylucy]

78. Thank you yallerdawg! I agree and appreciate that you posted the FACTS

to counter the Right Wing Fox News crap that keeps stinking up what is meant to be a forum for Democrats!

[pnwmom]

16. Dore is an expert on insults and name-calling, so I guess he would know. n/t

[bkkyosemite]

39. Is there any body any of you support their opinion...because ANY opinion about Clinton

and criminal investigations and so much more is all crap to your group...any thing is not legit no matter who, if it isn't about the crowning of your candidate..so one sided.

[phazed0]

70. Don't bother with pwnmom..

He/She just resorts to logical fallacies such as this one, an Ad-Hominum attack.

ad ho·mi·nem
ˌad ˈhämənəm/
adverb & adjective
1.(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

[Squinch]

104. I'm guessing you don't see the irony in your post...

[phazed0]

113. It's not ironic...

I'm not responding to that person (Pwnmom). If I were though, calling out logical fallacies in a debate is not an attack on the person, it is a statement of fact(or not) that can end erroneous thinking. You may contend that I am wrong with the Ad Hominem charge but need to provide arguments that back that claim.

Presumably, Pwnmom charges that because Jimmy Dore is a comedian/host that on occasion calls people names that his premise is incorrect. But of course someone can be a name-caller or comedian and still have a valid argument.

[Squinch]

117. Uh huh. As I suspected.

[ReRe]

17. Doesn't make a lick of sense to me either!

... and the reason, just like Jimmy said, is because they really are a bunch of Republicans calling themselves Democrats. I never knew genuine Democrats could behave so nastily.

[bkkyosemite]

40. We need to flip a coin....or wait a minute I think the same a bunch of Republicans but

a different group in my minds eye.

[MFM008]

21. Hopefully Monday

Will put an end to the endless sniping.

[bkkyosemite]

44. In other words all Bernie Supporters will either have to shut up or go away so you all

can be so happy in your coronation celebration...because us half of the dem party just needs to go away and stop speaking up for their choice of candidate...the campaign is still going.........all the way to the convention....

[MFM008]

58. from everyone

[niyad]

100. perhaps a level of civility will return-now that would be refreshing.

[nikto]

24. I find it disturbing ...

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When Democrats (i.e. centrist/neocon) are actually Republicans.

[bkkyosemite]

45. I'm sorry to hear that about you and yours...because this is about democracy right?

[nikto]

55. Not sure what you mean

I come from a family of longtime, New Deal Democrats.

We don't cotton to this Reaganesque
"centrism" garbage snuck into the Democratic Party,
Trojan-Horse style, over the last 25 years.

I have read your posts and you are very intelligent, and apparently pro-Bernie,
so surely, you don't either, right?


I am an old-school Democrat, and I fear the Party may go totally "centrist"/neocon under Hillary,
even though I fear Trump more.

With no Bernie, this election sucks, IMO.

[upaloopa]

25. I have never seen so many people post so much self serving crap

since the primary began

[jhart3333]

32. So you thought you would just join in?

[bkkyosemite]

51. Your right ....me either........from my viewpoint which is not yours.

[redstateblues]

52. Victimhood and sour grapes in abundance

Get it all out.

[CherokeeDem]

81. Agreed, upaloopa...

denial is strong in these people. I love how they accuse Clinton supporters... Democrats... of slurs and lies while doing the exact same thing. Perhaps, they are simply looking at reflections of themselves.

There have been negative things uttered on both sides, and those involved should be ashamed. However, I am damn tired of being told I am not a Democrat by people supporting someone who isn't one at all.

Silly....

[Don Draper]

97. I doubt anyone has told you that you are not a democrat

You were probably told that you weren't a progressive because you support a candidate who is not a progressive. Most people don't care about stupid party labels; they care about a politician's ideology. Just because someone is a democrat doesn't make them a progressive. I could care less that Bernie was previously an independent and is now a democrat. He has always been a true progressive. $Hillary, on the other hand, is a center right corporatist "third way" democrat. As a progressive, voting for her is about as appealing as drinking a garlic & onion milk shake.

[CherokeeDem]

105. No... you'd be wrong....

I've been told I'm not a Democrat because I'm not a progressive and not being progressive makes me a Repub. Wrong on both counts, I have been a Democrat and a liberal/progressive all my life. I also care about a politician's ideology but those who support Bernie only see their way. Blinders are never attractive.

Bernie is not a Democrat. He took advantage of the Party and was allowed to run as a Democrat, a mistake in my book. His whining about the rules when he didn't win, then admitting later they were well aware of them is appalling. He's a superficial candidate who talks a big game but never won the big one.

Bernie's fans love to throw labels about, so I have one for him... loser.

[bravenak]

88. Seriously

[felix_numinous]

33. They want complicity and not consent

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that has been obvious from the start. Winning at all costs=democracy.

The lack of attention on election fraud being used against HRC by the Republicans is a red flag as well.

Amazing to see someone claiming to be a feminist FORCING her way into office, and using verbal abuse as a policy for suppression. Ruthless cruelty is not evidence of power, it is evidence of being fear driven.

edited for clarity

[johnp3907]

41. Have a nice weekEND.

[bkkyosemite]

46. You too

[Ned_Devine]

118. This is their new "silly"

"Look at me! I said 'weekEND'. Aren't I clever?"

They're being funny with their condescension. They can't wait until we stop telling the truth about their conservative and flawed candidate.

[Laser102]

42. This is from the Hillary camp? What a crock. If we mentioned some of the stuff the Bernie

supporters have said about her, that would NOT be from the Bernie camp. It would be a handful of his ardent supporters, right? Stop the smearing with that broad brush. Anyone can compile a list of insults from both sides. As far as wooing Bernie supporters goes, it's difficult to reach out when there is no acknowledgment that she won. None. Bupkis. By the way, I have heard Hillary congratulate Bernie on his campaign and bringing new voters into the fold. See, something like that.

[SaschaHM]

53. "Be nice to us."

I'm sure that after the 100s of times that they said they were going to vote for Jill Stein or write in Bernie that one compliment or concession will bring them over to our side. Honestly, I don't see how all this "Bernie or bust" nonsense doesn't hurt Bernie's bargaining hand. If he has nothing to offer in terms of votes, why on earth would anyone give him meaningful things that may alienate centrist voters?

[DLCWIdem]

75. Thats because he and his supporters seem to have no class IMO. Losers in every sense of the word.

[radical noodle]

43. He starts out with a lie and goes from there...

President Obama did not promise her anything to bring her voters on board. If he had, it would have been illegal. I didn't bother to listen to the rest. If he's willing to lie to start with, he's willing to lie about all of it.

[phazed0]

65. Thanks for posting a reply

That basically says "I didn't watch it".

[radical noodle]

83. Why should I bother to take the time to watch something

that starts with an outright lie? How could I possibly believe what he says in the remainder of the video?

[phazed0]

84. You took the time to respond..

The rest of the video doesn't hinge on that that statement, so your reply is quite perplexing - or shall I say, almost makes Jimmy Dore's point.. but you wouldn't know that since you didn't bother to watch it. But OK! Have at it Haas.

[radical noodle]

94. It was indeed a waste of time

I decided to accept your belief in the so-called truth in this video and watched it all the way through. After starting out with a lie, and a headline that's misleading (because it sounds like her campaign rather than simply random supporters) we find that Mr. Dore himself tweeted

VOTE FOR US YOU FUCKING SELFISH SEXIST ASSHOLES

followed by the implication that Hillary, her campaign and her supporters are trying to woo Sanders' supporters with that sort of attitude.

Then he quotes a handful of tweets in response that are equally as nasty as his post was, and he's surprised by that? I think that sort of tactic is like a push poll. Say something that gets the response you want.

There is nothing here but a guy trying to stir up trouble. In fact, it's been reported that the meeting between Hillary and Bernie was very cordial.

I have supported Hillary from the beginning but I have never called Sanders' supporters names, however I have been called all sorts of names many times. I am just one of millions. I guess it's normal to try to find things that shore up your beliefs, but this sure isn't it.

I hope you will vote for our candidate. There are some who will never vote for her and many who will. It's your decision to make, of course. It is what it is.

Peace!

Note to jurors: I was quoting something from the video that was posted. It was not aimed by me at anyone.

[johnp3907]

47. I want spend my summer at Hillary Camp!

[bkkyosemite]

48. Have fun..............I'm having a lot more fun

[Johnny2X2X]

54. 56.7% to 43.3%

This was not all that close of a primary. Wish people would realize that Hillary and Bernie are about as close policy wise as two candidates can be. They disagree on basically no issues save for the degree to which they support an idea.

Bernie lost and he lost soundly. In Hillary, we're about to get by far the most Liberal President in US history. The fact that people think she's moderate will work to her advantage in getting more progressive laws passed.

[Gore1FL]

74. It is her choice if she wants to unify to he party or not.

Is that the point you are making?

[immoderate]

95. I don't think she will be the most liberal. I don't think she's liberal.

At all.

FDR was pretty liberal. The last few (including Hilary) are Reaganites. That's really not liberal.

--imm

[WhiteTara]

56. who is TJDS?

[Vote2016]

59. She only needs to be nice to the Sanders in Ohio and Florida if she wants to win. She only has to be

nice to all of them if she wants to unite the party.

Obama was able to unite the party, Shrub was able to unite his party, even Reagan picked a VP who called his revenue and budget plan "voo doo economics" to unite his party.

It takes a leader to make the compromises necessary to unite a party. Not sure we picked a leader.

[charin]

72. This Ohioan will give her a chance.

If she will embrace a progressive agenda, I might vote for her. If she triangulates, I'll vote for a progressive, to send a message.

[Laser102]

92. She set a good example when she conceded and endorsed Obama. That's a leader. She United the

party back in 2008. Bernie should do the same for her.

[Vote2016]

103. You think that was "given" and not negotiated? Lol! I've got a few blocks from her hq to sell you

[shenmue]

63. You lost

[stuffmatters]

67. Yikes, "waiting for Monday"... Sore winners'd better stop alienating the 46% that voted for Bernie.

At some point it becomes very counterproductive to both Hillary's campaign and the Democratic Party to keep insulting
Bernie supporters. Seems a no brainer to me.

Hillary has national majority "unfavorable" among (all) voters. Simply relying on "fear of Trump" to deliver voters is probably not going to work. Hillary needs every Democratic vote and majority of Independents.

Keep in mind that Hillary would probably lose against Kasich or maybe even Paul Ryan, or any of the "silvertongued"
anti choice, voter suppressing, austerity sadists that the Repub establishment reveres.

The work is Hillary's, she needs to start taking definitive stances on economic and environmental issues (eg. be clearly against Citizens United, not just "undisclosed" money in politics, stand vociferously against the TPP etc and their antidemocratic corporate kangeroo courts of ISDS, say no to fracking.) These are not "Bernie demands/concessions " these are views held by a majority of American voters.

I thought Hillary's announcement this week that she would close the hedge fund loophole by executive action was a great step in the right direction to unifying the Democrats and the national voters. This is the energy and clarity that her campaign needs to embrace to 'grow" her support both party and nationwide.

Dore's tweets are funny but also very, very serious.

[phazed0]

68. +1 In one ear and out the other.

[stuffmatters]

87. Yes. Taibbi alluded to it: Learn from/embrace your loyal opposition's success don't alienate them

It's really crazy...destructive to Hillary and helpful to Trump/any Repug... IMHO

[onecaliberal]

86. Add that 46% to the 47% of the electorate who identify independent. They ARE

The majority. They were mostly blocked from the primary process. They will vote in the General. The irony of a party who takes positions the other side can only envy and then spits on so many of the voters they will need is stunning in its stupidity.

[stuffmatters]

96. ^^!

And it's not just the presidential election. This disengagement of progressive Dems and Independents will seriously hurt
down ballot races/turnout in a presidential year where usually Dems get higher turnout.

I already saw this happen in San Diego Mayor's race. After no Democratic debate in Ca and MSM announcing Hillary had won the nomination the night before the primary. our frat boy/ALEC backed mayor won 63% of the vote and will not need to run further in Nov election because he won 50%+ of the primary votes. San Diego is demographically now a majority leaning Dem City. But obviously not enough Dems or Dem leaning Independents showed up because the subliminal message was 'you and your vote don't matter."

[onecaliberal]

107. I still don't know how they called California with 2.5 million votes UNCOUNTED.

This election has been a clear demonstration that our elections are no better than Russia. We can send our children to die for purple fingers in foreign lands but we don't need the right to vote here I guess.

[Cryptoad]

73. bernie who?

[phazed0]

85. So we will expect to not see you post any longer about

party unity, then? It's a two way street Cryptoad.

[niyad]

101. yes, it is a two-way street. means that all the ugly, hate-filled vitriol against HRC

also has to stop.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

89. He's right about the sore winners....

We've seen grave dancing here.

[AgingAmerican]

90. Stupid is as stupid does

[niyad]

98. like the names the bernie supporters use against HRC and her supporters?

[chillfactor]

102. 2 more days....2 more days....

and this kind of post will be a thing of the past....YEAH!

[etherealtruth]

109. LOCKING, please refer to the SoP for LBN V&M

Post videos, images, or any other multimedia content about politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.

[phazed0]

116. I'm sorry..

But this is a current issue about politics. What gives?

[etherealtruth]

119. the consensus of the hosts wasthat the phrasing in your comments makes it specific ....

... to DU supporters of clinton