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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:35 PM Jul 2016

Massive Flash Flood in Ellicott City MD Last Night



Amazing. I have been there many times. If you are not familiar, Main Street runs at a steep incline down through rock to the bridge over the Patapsco River. That is what you are seeing here. Four streams come together toward where the town is. One woman reported found dead in the river.
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Massive Flash Flood in Ellicott City MD Last Night (Original Post) Hissyspit Jul 2016 OP
OMG. yallerdawg Jul 2016 #1
Heroic rescue video JaneQPublic Jul 2016 #2
This happened in front of the Fishbein & Fishbein law offices Cooley Hurd Jul 2016 #4
Wow. Hissyspit Jul 2016 #5
WOW! elleng Jul 2016 #7
Here's the aftermath, looks like it was taped after the gas was shut off Warpy Jul 2016 #3
But global warming is just a liberal hoax, right? Ford_Prefect Jul 2016 #6
There is hard data on storms getting worse and causing more damage IronLionZion Jul 2016 #11
One problem is also that there are so many more people in the area west of Baltimore Ford_Prefect Aug 2016 #13
AMAZING! elleng Jul 2016 #8
I was caught in a flash floor thucythucy Jul 2016 #9
Major roadblocks to upgrading their storm management since the 2011 floods IronLionZion Jul 2016 #10
Let's all depend on the private sector to take care of flood control. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #12
Global warming brings with it Funny Weather zebonaut Aug 2016 #14
I have to laugh to keep from crying. Hissyspit Aug 2016 #15
 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
4. This happened in front of the Fishbein & Fishbein law offices
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jul 2016

...on Main St in Ellicott City. I know the area.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
3. Here's the aftermath, looks like it was taped after the gas was shut off
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jul 2016


Downtown is just gone. Anything on the first floor was pretty much erased, one place even lost its sheetrock and is down to the studs.

This is beyond sad. I can vaguely remember the place from when I was a little kid and we'd pass through on the way to one beach or another.

Then again, the first flood I can remember was when the Potomac flooded. My dad had his blinders on and kept driving, water over the floor of the car. It was a 1950s tank, so we made it OK. Those old cars were big and heavy and good for at least that much.

Ford_Prefect

(7,895 posts)
13. One problem is also that there are so many more people in the area west of Baltimore
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 05:19 AM
Aug 2016

than when the old town center was built and they have paved so much of it that all the extra rain can only run to where much less was already nearly flood stage. The storm drainage systems that were adequate in mid-last century are now overwhelmed by the excess runoff of a what now is an average storm. A truly heavy storm of this magnitude can only result in disastrous stream and river overflow and outright flood torrent at choke points like the lower part of main street.

I live in Hurricane country in north central North Carolina. Our climate is sub-tropical, which means that when it rains it rains a lot. Far too regularly we see now see very nearly the kind of downpour that drowned Ellicot City. Flash flood warnings go out frequently and nearly every time we have thunderstorms.

When I moved here 36 years ago we normally got hurricanes that would create this degree of rain over large areas, but they were seasonal and there was not as much pave-over as now exists. In 1980 NC had roughly 5.8 million people mostly concentrated near the major cities along the interstate. In 2016 it is said that more than 10.2 million live here. The rate of pavement increase where population concentrated in that time is staggering. This is not to discuss the amount of development on the fringes of urban areas which further reduces the available land surface which can absorb rainfall. So up stream and down stream less land can hold the water or slow the flow towards congested down stream and down slope areas. The result is we have more flooding during what is now average rainfall than we did 36 years ago. We also get much more rain than we did then too.

But still there are those who insist that the intensity of the rain and the frequency of heavy storms which initiate the flooding here have nothing to do with climate change. In fact our Governor and state legislature have passed several state laws insisting that climate change cannot be happening, nor be discussed by certain members of government, nor that the tides could rise in the predictable future.

I hear there are certain members of Congress, and a number of prominent GOP politicians, and even a Republican presidential candidate, who insist that Global warming and climate change, the source of this extremely heavy rain and concentrated storm pattern, are a hoax perpetrated by the liberal democrats. They assert this in defiance of over 100 years of weather research and records, not to mention evidence provided by 50 years of orbiting satellites showing temperature increases and atmospheric water vapor increase. It seems in fact that those Republicans cannot do basic science or math since they deny the continuing increases exist and cannot understand what happens when you add heat energy to the atmosphere. Simply put: when you over-fill the tea pot and then over heat it you get more hot water and steam than you planned on. Rather an odd misunderstanding of basic physics by a group self-labeled as the TEA PARTY.



thucythucy

(8,050 posts)
9. I was caught in a flash floor
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 03:57 PM
Jul 2016

in North Dakota, hitch hiking back when I was oh so much younger, and it was pretty terrifying.

So sorry to hear there was a fatality.

IronLionZion

(45,435 posts)
10. Major roadblocks to upgrading their storm management since the 2011 floods
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:05 PM
Jul 2016
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/howard/ellicott-city/ph-ho-cf-flooding-update-0911-20140911-story.html

They know that rain storms are getting worse and more frequent like this.

It's a very challenging region. If there was nothing there now, you couldn't build a city there in current conditions because of its propensity to flood. But they keep it for the historic importance. And plenty of people live there and work there or in nearby Baltimore.

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