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DISTURBING. RAW. Police bodycam shows police pepper-spraying 15yo girl following a bicycle accident (Original Post) yuiyoshida Sep 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Sep 2016 #1
To what? yuiyoshida Sep 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Sep 2016 #42
You don't know how to do that? yuiyoshida Sep 2016 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Sep 2016 #44
What did she do? n/t RKP5637 Sep 2016 #2
She got hit by a car. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2016 #4
Kinda like Eddie Murphy being thrown out of a window,...while black. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2016 #6
It took me a while. Lol. Yes. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2016 #10
While black. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2016 #19
She was in a bike accident with a car jberryhill Sep 2016 #8
Question is, how do they know she was a minor? ........ W T F Sep 2016 #18
That is our big tough guys in blue protecting us. Goddamn doc03 Sep 2016 #3
"You're being detained for lack of cooperation in an investigation." Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2016 #5
A minor cannot refuse medical assistance jberryhill Sep 2016 #11
They wouldn't have done it if she was white Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2016 #14
They shouldn't have done what they did, period jberryhill Sep 2016 #16
This was an open and shut case of what we used to call "police brutality". Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2016 #17
She ran a red light and hit a car. The police were so worried about her they had to wrestle (LINK) uppityperson Sep 2016 #9
Brito speaks like a 'typical' uneducated moron.. it's all pangaia Sep 2016 #31
I worked in Hagerstown. It was not a place that liked black people. rusty quoin Sep 2016 #12
Do you see, kiddies? snort Sep 2016 #13
Stupid handling by cops, but she should be detained and sent to medical facility for evaluation pediatricmedic Sep 2016 #15
"should have transported her to a medical facility" Helen Borg Sep 2016 #21
".....should have transported her to a medical facility." pangaia Sep 2016 #32
I watched the full thing on YouTube... Helen Borg Sep 2016 #20
Really? If this was your daughter? She was handcuffed and pepper sprayed for being black. FailureToCommunicate Sep 2016 #23
If this was my underage daughter... Helen Borg Sep 2016 #24
"There was no gratuitous use of force here." Okay, you must have seen a different video. FailureToCommunicate Sep 2016 #27
The problem is that instead of taking her to a medical facility, the took her to the PD and detained appleannie1 Sep 2016 #29
Minor detail, isn't it.. DUH! pangaia Sep 2016 #33
If true, that is a serious problem... Helen Borg Sep 2016 #36
Helen, your point is well taken. Nitram Sep 2016 #26
I'm with you on this, to a point. cab67 Sep 2016 #38
The girl spoke publicly about her perspective... Helen Borg Sep 2016 #39
wow, what caring compassionte cops HAB911 Sep 2016 #22
To protect you from the consequences of a possible concusion, I'm going to... Nitram Sep 2016 #25
A possible head injury was the most important randr Sep 2016 #28
They don't need further training. pangaia Sep 2016 #34
They were so concerned they detained her at the police department. appleannie1 Sep 2016 #30
Fucking shit, man.... pangaia Sep 2016 #35
That's recommended procedure for a suspected traumatic brain injury uppityperson Sep 2016 #37
This is horrifying footage SFierro2004 Sep 2016 #40
Cop who sprayed should be fired NQA Wibly Sep 2016 #41

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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
8. She was in a bike accident with a car
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 10:47 PM
Sep 2016

She had been knocked unconscious and 911 was called.

By the time police arrived, she was conscious again, and was refusing medical assistance.

The problem is that a minor cannot refuse medical assistance. She also would not call her parents or provide a number for them. The police then decided to engage in an ego contest with a teenager.

W T F

(1,150 posts)
18. Question is, how do they know she was a minor? ........
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 01:42 AM
Sep 2016

Especially when they cant tell a 12 year old from an adult in Cleveland.

doc03

(35,485 posts)
3. That is our big tough guys in blue protecting us. Goddamn
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 10:29 PM
Sep 2016

cowards takes a half dozen of them to arrest a 15 year old girl for what I don't know. They threaten to spray her
if she doesn't get her feet in the car then when the door is closed they spray her anyway sickening.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
5. "You're being detained for lack of cooperation in an investigation."
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 10:39 PM
Sep 2016

Is that even a real thing?

Then there's the implication that a minor shouldn't be out without their parents.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
11. A minor cannot refuse medical assistance
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 11:15 PM
Sep 2016

There were paramedics on the scene, since she had been knocked unconscious, and someone called 911. The driver of the car claims she had run a red light. The police were investigating the claimed incident.

A minor cannot refuse medical assistance. That decision has to be made by a parent or guardian. She wanted to leave.

So this devolved into an ego contest.

One could argue that the police would be liable if they let her refuse medical assistance, but concern for her well being does not seem consistent with their behavior, to put it mildly. She wanted to go home. A better course would have been to go with her, so that the circumstances could be sorted out with parental involvement. That, of course, would have inconvenienced the police.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
16. They shouldn't have done what they did, period
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 01:01 AM
Sep 2016

I'm not sure I understand what you are suggesting. It would not have been at all difficult for them to go home with her, both making sure that she doesn't collapse from a head injury, and then determining whether the parents determined to have her looked at.

Additionally, should it also have been determined that she had run a red light, they could also have issued a citation at such time, given that they would also be certain of her place of residence.

uppityperson

(115,681 posts)
9. She ran a red light and hit a car. The police were so worried about her they had to wrestle (LINK)
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 10:48 PM
Sep 2016

her, twist her arms, cuff and spray her because a crowd was gathering to protest then manhandling her? WTF? I see him spraying her 3 times in that last minute. One time my ass.

http://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/local/hagerstown-police-chief-officers-acted-properly-in-incident-with-teen/article_121b9294-8106-11e6-8384-6bc0dd947419.html

Brito said an officer administered one shot of pepper spray on the 15-year-old girl — not multiple shots, as purported in social media and by the girl's attorney — as she continued to resist and kick officers while they tried to put her into a police cruiser.

(Clip)
Brito said his officers acted correctly. They have to make split-second decisions every day, and using pepper spray was determined to be the best possible action at that moment, he said.

"We wanted to get her in the vehicle and move from the scene," Brito said. "The scene was growing large, a lot of people were around. We didn't want to have an incident where we had a civil disturbance there. We thought it was prudent, No. 1, to remove her from the scene at that point."

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
31. Brito speaks like a 'typical' uneducated moron.. it's all
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 09:13 AM
Sep 2016

what I call robot talk.


"...and using pepper spray was determined to be the best possible action at that moment,..."

"... it was prudent, No. 1, to remove her from the scene at that point."...."

"it was determined at the point in time that...."

"Get out the VEEhical!'

Split second decision my ass....

Fuck 'em...

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
12. I worked in Hagerstown. It was not a place that liked black people.
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 11:22 PM
Sep 2016

But that was my experience working around white people. It is west of Frederick, which was a more tolerant place, and south from there...the commute is to DC.

As for the video, those police suck. A family friend, a Polynesian, worked for Hagerstown police for years. He is now a teacher. I don't know the reason he left. I would like to know his take on the video.

Now in America, the thing to do is pepper spray a 15 y/o girl for her own safety. She was already in the cruiser. It's like...I'll show her...squirt...squirt...squirt.

pediatricmedic

(397 posts)
15. Stupid handling by cops, but she should be detained and sent to medical facility for evaluation
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 12:36 AM
Sep 2016

Hard piecing the story together due to MSM sensationalizing it. If she was in an accident and had a loss of consciousness, then she should be detained due to a high suspicion of traumatic brain injury. Cops are not equipped to make that assessment and should have transported her to a medical facility.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
21. "should have transported her to a medical facility"
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 06:59 AM
Sep 2016

Right, but obviously she did not want to be transported anywhere. The entire thing was an attempt to get her into the car, really. Nobody used excessive force in that video, IMO.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
32. ".....should have transported her to a medical facility."
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 09:18 AM
Sep 2016

Do you mean, "taken her to a hospital."

BTW, if you are a pediatricmedic... props....

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
20. I watched the full thing on YouTube...
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 06:54 AM
Sep 2016

When I read about it I was outraged, but after watching this I have to acknowledge that the policemen were quite professional in this case. She was pepper-sprayed after she was asked several times to keep her feet in the car so they could close the door and go. Charging her with anything is excessive though, as obviously she was confused and did not get that she had to be checked, even if she "felt" OK. Her reactions are natural, and the policemen did their best to manage the situation. Perhaps they could have tried harder to talk to her, but in the video it's clear that they tried many times to talk with her in a calm manner...

FailureToCommunicate

(14,043 posts)
23. Really? If this was your daughter? She was handcuffed and pepper sprayed for being black.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 07:44 AM
Sep 2016

A white girl would have been asked if she was okay, and escorted politely home to make sure she was safe.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
24. If this was my underage daughter...
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 07:58 AM
Sep 2016

And I was not available right there to be with her, I would hope that somebody takes here to a medical center to be checked. And if she does not understand that is what needs to be done, yes, against her will. There was no gratuitous use of force here. She did not understand that she needed to be medically checked because she had hit her head and had been unconscious for 30 sec after falling.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,043 posts)
27. "There was no gratuitous use of force here." Okay, you must have seen a different video.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 08:57 AM
Sep 2016

This girl was not 'being checked to see if she was injured'.

Let's review:

She was profiled, grabbed, roughed up,arrested, handcuffed, forced to the ground (while screaming and sobbing) and put into a squad car, THEN pepper sprayed!

In the background you can see an ambulance and various EMTs, but they are waved off.

I'm no doctor, but I'm guessing that any potential brain injury is not helped by being physically roughed up and super stressed by the fear of what the three white officers may do next (like pepper spray an already handcuffed girl inside a police car)

The whole scene is disgusting, and would NOT have happened if the hapless girl was white, end of story.

appleannie1

(5,086 posts)
29. The problem is that instead of taking her to a medical facility, the took her to the PD and detained
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 09:01 AM
Sep 2016

her until, 3 hours later when they released her to her father and he took her to be checked.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
36. If true, that is a serious problem...
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 10:16 AM
Sep 2016

She could have had internal bleeding or something. She needed an MRI right away, just to make sure.

Nitram

(23,037 posts)
26. Helen, your point is well taken.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 08:48 AM
Sep 2016

The police should have a better way of handling the situation than pepper spraying her in the face. She was probably in shock after a concussion and should have been handled gently. I don't blame an African American teen for not trusting the cops. At the very least they could have followed her as she rode away on her bike to make sure she didn't have another accident, and to find out who she was. Patience and tact are not the strong suit of the American police force.

cab67

(3,012 posts)
38. I'm with you on this, to a point.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 02:20 PM
Sep 2016

The officers were trying to help a girl who might have been injured without knowing it.

What I don't get is how the situation escalated as badly as it did. The girl was obviously confused and frightened. Agreed, the police were trying to manage the situation, and they were trying to do so without hurting the girl - but some of the things they said (e.g. that she was being detained for not cooperating) may have exacerbated things.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
39. The girl spoke publicly about her perspective...
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 03:59 PM
Sep 2016

I watched the video of her speaking on ABC. Obviously, she was really frightened and she freaked out. On the other hand, when a bunch of big cops are trying to hold you down and all, especially as a black person there is reason to be afraid. On the other hand, she would not listen to what they were trying to tell her and kept screaming and kicking.

HAB911

(8,972 posts)
22. wow, what caring compassionte cops
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 07:07 AM
Sep 2016

teaching everyone how to de-escalate a situation, pepper spray a 15 yr old girl............what manly men

Nitram

(23,037 posts)
25. To protect you from the consequences of a possible concusion, I'm going to...
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 08:43 AM
Sep 2016

pepper spray you in the face. Just to show you who's boss.

randr

(12,418 posts)
28. A possible head injury was the most important
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 09:01 AM
Sep 2016

thing the cops should have anticipated.
Victims of head injuries are often combative.
These cops need further training.

appleannie1

(5,086 posts)
30. They were so concerned they detained her at the police department.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 09:06 AM
Sep 2016

The teen was charged with disorderly conduct, two counts of second-degree assault, possession of marijuana and failure to obey a traffic device. She was taken to the Police Department and released to a parent.

Her father then took her to the hospital, where after 3 hours, she was treated for chemical burns to her face and eyes. And finally checked for a concussion.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-video-shows-officer-pepper-spraying-maryland-girl-42273866

“The only treatment she got (from police) was slamming, abuse and Mace,” Ficker said. He also said the police contacted the hospital and ordered them not to take any photos of the girl’s chemical burns.

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/busted-cops-caught-on-video-pepper-spraying-handcuffed-biracial-girl-after-a-car-hit-her/

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
35. Fucking shit, man....
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 09:34 AM
Sep 2016

And you know damn well, if the other guy there and done ANYTHING except back off he would now be dead.

Those cops should be slammed against a wall and maced..

uppityperson

(115,681 posts)
37. That's recommended procedure for a suspected traumatic brain injury
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 10:29 AM
Sep 2016

Restrain them so they don't further harm themselves. Cuff wrrists behind back, again in case they have a seizure and start to flail around. Argue with the injured person to get their adrenaline and bp raised to ensure adequate tissue perfusion of blood. Then carry by feet and shoulders so you don't risk injuring their neck. Then shove into a vehicle and pepper spray to make sure their pain center can still react correctly.

Finally, pause at the police station to monitor for a few hours before handing off to trained medical personnel, to give the body time to really develop symptoms so the ER staff will have an easier diagnosis.

See? It's all perfectly sensible!

(For real, those are all things you should not do. Unless you don't care to help them)

 

SFierro2004

(11 posts)
40. This is horrifying footage
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 04:32 PM
Sep 2016

I nearly threw up watching that poor girl suffer like that. This is exactly what Trump's idea of what America should be like. He would turn our already brutal and aggressive police force into the new Gestapo, jackboots and all.

Wibly

(613 posts)
41. Cop who sprayed should be fired NQA
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 07:03 PM
Sep 2016

Not only was the spraying unnecessary, but the idiot sprayed into a squad car!
He's clearly too GD stupid to be a police officer.
Not sure what was going on with rest of it, and I will say the girl seemed a little self absorbed and ridiculous, but the cops in this video are clearly not very well trained.
Pathetic.

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