TYT: Racist Stephen Miller SHOCKED People Think He's Racist (Also, Trump HUGE hypocrite)

[ProfessorPlum]

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1. I don't get why journalists on Morning Joe are attacking Joe Acosta.

How is he wrong to say that if we require people to know English before coming to America we would only get
people from England and Australia? That may be a an exaggeration to make a point but there are more people
on this earth that don't speak English than do. I remember when I was a kid in the 50s there were lots of people
around here that would speak Polish, German or Italian among themselves. The 50s were decades after the Polish, German
and Italian immigrants came here to work in the mills and mines. The Amish still speak Dutch among themselves and
only learned English for economic reasons.

[wasupaloopa]

2. My grandmother from Naples never learned to speak English.

She even got an Italian language newspaper in the mail. All her children spoke Italian to her. This was in the 40's 50's and 60's that I remember her speaking Italian.

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3. It seems to me the only language that bothers Republicans is Spanish.

I don't know how many people I have heard say they don't like Florida because nobody knows English. I have
been to Florida many times over the years and never had any problem. The place where Spanish is the
most prevalent in Florida is probably Miami and that is where a lot of Cubans settled and Republicans pander to them.
But the same people don't like Florida because nobody knows English will go to Mexico on vacation and love it there, go figure.

[IronLionZion]

4. I'm sure they are also bothered by Arabic, Hindi, Chinese, Swahili, etc.

but European languages are cool and interesting. I bet a lot of Republicans have a grandparent who spoke some other language. Trump certainly did. Stephen Miller's liberal Jewish family came from Eastern Europe, I think it was Belarus.

[politicat]

6. Oh... that explains a LOT.

We're looking at a severe case of childhood oppositional defiance.

On the language issue, just from my personal perspective: my parents moved into El Norte (Arizona) when they were in their late 20s/30s; I was 8. I adapted fast, and picked up Norteno enough to hang out with my friends, follow telenovela, and get along. My parents never learned any language. (I think my XY parent had some German, but to my knowledge, my XX parent never even took high school languages.)

But because both of my parents are personality disordered, they are completely convinced that anyone speaking any language other than English is talking about them and conspiring against them. Smother had a habit of calling me (several hundred miles away) and asking me to eavesdrop over her phone and translate for her. I won't do it (and I don't speak to her anymore because she's nucking futz). Mostly I won't do it because I know that those conversations are about football, groceries, schedules and local gossip and nothing to do with Smother, but also because she doesn't have a right to listen to every conversation that happens to be within earshot.

I know that this behavior is not uncommon for midwestern migrants to the southwest. What I've extrapolated is that it's a cultural conditioning from her deeply dysfunctional, small-town, passive-aggressive, thrived on other people's drama native culture. If she'd moved to a city without a language barrier, or if she'd just do a little work and learn some Norteno Spanish, she'd lose 90% of her paranoia because she'd know that the gossip she's overhearing has nothing to do with her. But she won't, because she thrives on that paranoia as part of her drama addiction and everything being about her.

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5. I don't understand why we have to look at, evaluate, and parse individual statements these guys

make as though each statement is uttered in a vacuum, without consideration of a lifetime of other racist actions and comments. The media spends two days talking about a sentence or two...getting opposing viewpoints that try to frame the one sentence as a joke, a mis-spoken declaration, a mis-interpretation by everyone else, etc.. As though their other racist comments don't exist and are lost somewhere on the internet.

Every time Stephan Miller, Sessions, Trump, or Bannon opens their mouths and utters a thinly veiled racist comment or new legislation let's bring up the dozens of objectionable comments they've made their whole lives -- along with the hundreds of racist comments and actions other officials in their party has made -- and then let's discuss the statement given the overall arc and history and context.

Pretty easy to do. Can't let them run from their deplorable history of racism. But the media allows them to run from it because it keeps the conversation and controversy going. The default should be...'of course that's a racist statement...look at everything else he and his party have said. My God...just look at all these past Breitbart headlines and this guy is Trump's closest advisor!'. And then everyone on the panel should laugh at Jeffrey Lorde and move one to the next ridiculous, contemptable, thing the WH is doing and have a real, contextual conversation about that too.

That applies equally to every policy area where the GOP is trying to convince the 99% that the GOP is interested in them.

[ProfessorPlum]

7. an excellent recommendation

but that would require the media to do long term pattern recognition and narrative investigation, and would preempt their "both sides" tropes.

but it would be nice