Bernie Sanders on Van Jones Show 4/21/18

[Donkees]

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Published on Apr 21, 2018
Bernie Sanders on Van Jones Show 4/21/18

[democratisphere]

1. S-O-S !!

Help!

[George II]

2. At least you didn't say it was Van Jones on Bernie Sanders' show!

[mcar]

3. LOL!

[ehrnst]

10. Droll, sir, very droll.

[Gothmog]

39. LOL

[gyroscope]

4. Amazing

Bernie has the energy and passion of someone who is three times younger.

[mountain grammy]

5. Yes, he's amazing and looks great!

[George II]

6. I agree, Van Jones is a great looking guy.

[mountain grammy]

7. I also think Van Jones is a great looking guy

and so is Bernie.. Bernie is looking younger everytime I see him. The man is ageless.

surprised to see you say anything nice about Van Jones since he welcomes the great ideas and energy of Senator Sanders.

[gyroscope]

8. Bernie is the Energizer Bunny

I think that more than anything answers Van Jones' question as to why young people are Bernie's biggest fans. His incredible energy, charisma, sincerity comes across every time he speaks. I think young people have a sixth sense about them that can detect a fraud from a mile away, and they don't sense that coming from Bernie.

[ehrnst]

12. Young people "have a sixth sense that can detect fraud?" Not all...

[sheshe2]

16. You!

[mountain grammy]

19. Thats an extremely offensive post.

[ehrnst]

21. In what way?

Offensive to whom?

Why?

These are photos of real young people who support a leader who is a fraud.

[gyroscope]

20. Trump supporters know he is a slimy disgusting fraud

but to them that is a positive trait not a negative one.

[ehrnst]

22. So, are you saying that young people are OK with a leader being a fraud

so long as that leader tells them what they want to hear?

[mountain grammy]

23. Yes, thats the right wing propaganda of the day

so why do you post this on DU? It’s offensive to me. Your point is that there are stupid kids in America. Laura Ingraham and the right wing say the same thing about the Parkland kids. Do you find that offensive or maybe you agree that all kids are dumb?

[ehrnst]

24. Perhaps if you re-read *your* post I was replying to, you would understand why I posted what I did.

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THAT POST was a response to your generalization that young people have the ability to see through a fraud.

(I'm assuming that you are replying to the wrong post, and are replying to my asking why you were offended by my post rebutting your claim about young people....)

I simply presented evidence that this was not universal among young people.

To claim that I was implying that "all kids are dumb" is an offensive strawman. I rebutted your generalization with some real examples, that didn't support your claim, and your reaction is outsized, to say the least.

To equate my post with the Right Wing lies and slander about the Parkland kids, and me with Laura Ingraham is what's offensive.

Is that clearer?

[mountain grammy]

25. Yes theres a right wing answer to everything

I see and hear it everyday. Don’t like seeing and hearing it on. DU.

[ehrnst]

26. Are you calling me a right wing troll?

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Really?

Namecalling should be beneath you.

I rebutted what was presented as "evidence" that kids see through frauds, and you go overboard.

That's a hallmark of right wing reactions.



Gyroscope was the one making that claim - and I just asked for clarification of their meaning. You really need to be less reactionary. And you need to learn to keep your threads straight.

Here it is, in case you missed it while furiously typing at me.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=489215

[ehrnst]

27. Are you talking about gyroscope's post or mine?

Because you seem confused on who said what.

You blew up at my asking for clarification on what Gyroscope said.

Why don't you go back and read what this thread actually says? You may want to apologize.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for being confused.

[George II]

28. I didn't see the word "every" in that post. And we shouldn't.....

....refer to people with lower intelligence as "dumb". Many find that offensive.

[mountain grammy]

29. I would prefer not to see it on DU

Glad we have an ignore feature. Plenty of real issues, several discussed in this interview. I don’t believe posting pro trumpers and beaming Paul Ryan pictures are an honest response to this discussion... equating Democratic youth with trumpers? That’s all I’m saying.

[ehrnst]

34. See what on DU?

Evidence of support for Trump by youth?

Or anything that challenges a generalization that you agree with? Do you also have such issues with Trump being talked about on DU as though he is president? Photos or memes of him in the Oval office?

You are the only one here who is "equating Trump youth with Democratic voters."

Perhaps you would be wise to use the ignore feature if you have such strong emotional reactions to someone pointing out that a generalization that isn't supported by evidence.

You might have to use it on a lot of people, if disagreement upsets you so much.

[gyroscope]

45. The youth vote in large part was why Obama won in 2008

I guess to ernhst that makes Obama a fraud.

not sure what he has against young voters, but this guy is a Troll with a capital T.
gotta love the ignore feature.

[George II]

30. And how do you arrive at the conclusion in your last sentence?

[KPN]

13. And he hasn't changed in that regard over the past 30+ years.

He's as consistent as a person, especially a politician, can get.

[ehrnst]

14. Altering one's viewpoint can also be an indication of listening and accepting new data.

And not doing so, an indication of not listening, and refusing to accept new data that doesn't confirm one's own bias.

[sheshe2]

17. Agree.

Thank you.

[KPN]

31. The first is true, but otherwise fallacious logic. The second is not true. Altering one's

viewpoint is not necessarily an outcome of listening/taking in new data, but it can be. "Can be" doesn't make the second "must be".

That aside, the second doesn't fit Bernie in my view, though I can see how Bernie haters might think so. Confirmation bias.

[ehrnst]

32. It's true. My statements are not fallacious.

And criticism of Sanders does not equal "hatred."

My gramatical construction avoided a split infinitive - the "can be" is part of the second part of the statement.

Is that clearer?

You are applying my statements to Sanders, and had an emotional response.

An emotional response to any critique of Sanders is more indicative of an emotional, rather than logical assesment of the person doing the critiquing - which is rooted in confirmation bias.

[KPN]

33. So what specifically has Bernie ignored due to confirmation bias?

And criticism of Bernie at the levels and frequency it happens here at DU, including condemning Bernie whenever there is even the slightest possible nexus between him and just about anybody or anything (which is absolutely what happens here) is the very definition of hate. It is entirely lacking in any real world basis, i.e., it's based entirely on bias and a bias-based grudge. GET OVER IT.

[ehrnst]

35. Are you on the right thread?

I said nothing about "Bernie ignoring something due to confirmation bias."

Your anger should be directed at the person making those comments.

If you need to rant at someone who "hates Bernie" please find someone who does.

If even implied criticism of Bernie gets you this emotional, I suggest you employ the ignore feature. You will need to do this on a huge number of members here at DU.

I suggest you get started.

[KPN]

36. Oh stop with the games. Or you are on the wrong thread.

So ridiculous at times here.

[ehrnst]

37. Seriously - you posted a non-sequitur response to my post.

Ridiculous strawman at the very least.

Doubling down doesn't give one credibility.

[KPN]

42. Of course seriously. You can

play games by yourself here. Bye for now.

[ehrnst]

43. Whatever.

Being accused by you of "playing games here" puts me in the company of a rapidly expanding number of DU posters who happen to be fond of facts.

[George II]

40. As Confucius said centuries ago:

“The way out is through the door. Why is it that no one will use this method?”

[KPN]

41. Yes. Why is that?

[ehrnst]

44. Yep.

(sound of something whooshing above someone's head)

[George II]

15. I have to agree, yes - he's been consistent for the past 30+ years.

[dgauss]

9. K&R. I don't think the partisan sneering is going to sway people

who care about what he is talking about. Which is what all democrats used to care about.

[Paka]

11. K&R

Great post. Thank you, Donkees!

[mountain grammy]

18. Great interview..

[BoneyardDem]

38. Bernie campaign promos vs. Amway revivals on Du

how does one tell the difference?