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10 Uncomfortable Truths About the American Revolution (Original Post) LongTomH Jul 2018 OP
"Uncomfortable?" I stopped watching this blowhard at #8. What an arse. PSPS Jul 2018 #1
No Collusion without Representation!! bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #2
A little colony defeated the British Progressive dog Jul 2018 #3
It's widely accepted we would not have won without the French Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #7
The French did not help because Progressive dog Jul 2018 #11
He wasn't talking fake history. bitterross Jul 2018 #9
Seriously, Progressive dog Jul 2018 #10
FFS, no one said the French had pure motives. Nothing comes for free. bitterross Jul 2018 #12
FFS, history doesn't deal with stuff that didn't happen. Progressive dog Aug 2018 #13
Often wish we'd zentrum Jul 2018 #4
He failed to cite the preservation of American slavery as an uncomfortable revolutionary truth. Marcuse Jul 2018 #5
It's been about rich white guys from the start. bitterross Jul 2018 #6
Wow! The whole narrative we are used to is complete BS Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #8

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
11. The French did not help because
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 08:33 PM
Jul 2018

they wanted us to win, they wanted the British to lose. The French government (the one that helped us) was overthrown soon after the revolution.
The new rulers executed the old rulers. They jailed Thomas Paine and the Marquis de Lafayette and came close to executing them, too.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/myths-of-the-american-revolution-10941835/

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
9. He wasn't talking fake history.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:49 PM
Jul 2018

Seriously. I get US Pride and all that. But let's be real. In fact, let's remind the deplorables that it was the nation of France, the one they love to hate so much, is a large part of why we won.

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
10. Seriously,
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 08:12 PM
Jul 2018

his history is selected and spun. It is a tiny portion of the truth, purposely selected to support a point of view. There is nothing in that video that is not available in standard U.S. history books.
Let's get real, the French at that time had a king who was a despot. The colonies went to him for aid because that despot had been recently beaten by the British and had lost Canada to them. The colonies also got loans from the Dutch.
Then, after the war, the new French rulers refused to negotiate with the US without being paid millions of dollars. That was the XYZ affair, John Adams was President and refused to pay. That used to be taught in high school.
1781 (battle of Yorktown) was over 200 years and 7 generations ago. A lot has happened since then. It can all be cherry picked to "prove" that a country is a friend or enemy.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
12. FFS, no one said the French had pure motives. Nothing comes for free.
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 09:17 PM
Jul 2018

The motives of the French do not alter the facts on the ground. If they hadn't helped us beat the English we would have lost and been South Canada.

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
13. FFS, history doesn't deal with stuff that didn't happen.
Wed Aug 1, 2018, 02:56 PM
Aug 2018

The French did help--that is fact.
What would have happened if the French didn't help is opinion.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
4. Often wish we'd
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:55 PM
Jul 2018

…gone the Canadian route. They have a better Democracy than we have and more British safety net, because the Government is still seen as existing to serve the people.

Marcuse

(7,479 posts)
5. He failed to cite the preservation of American slavery as an uncomfortable revolutionary truth.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 08:03 PM
Jul 2018

[link:http://www.ouramericanrevolution.org/index.cfm/page/view/m0149|

What was a stronger motivation for southern representatives at Philly - taxes on tea or total financial ruin?

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
6. It's been about rich white guys from the start.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:10 PM
Jul 2018

I think we all know he is correct. It was for rich white men then and they're trying to keep it that way still.

Quixote1818

(28,928 posts)
8. Wow! The whole narrative we are used to is complete BS
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:37 PM
Jul 2018

Just a bunch of rich white men pushing for war to protect their own interests. Why does this not surprise me?

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