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TYT: Marijuana Crackdown By Obama Admin Explained (Original Post) ihavenobias Jan 2012 OP
Support full decriminalization limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #1
1 mdmc Jan 2012 #2
Exactly. Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author 2banon Jan 2012 #14
As usual, TYT is full of crap. tridim Jan 2012 #3
With all due respect SixthSense Jan 2012 #5
To be fair to the critic ihavenobias Jan 2012 #6
How Generous of you.. 2banon Jan 2012 #16
And with "Supporters" like those... villager Jan 2012 #7
Obama supports BigPharma Monopolization of the industry. 2banon Jan 2012 #15
No, he supports the feds laying off legal MMJ. tridim Jan 2012 #17
Theres one problem-It is my understanding fredamae Jan 2012 #8
Let's be generous and say that's the case ihavenobias Jan 2012 #9
At the end of the day, this matter fredamae Jan 2012 #10
I agree the people want it ihavenobias Jan 2012 #18
While I remain somewhat naive fredamae Jan 2012 #19
K&R! 20score Jan 2012 #11
kick RainDog Jan 2012 #12
Exactly. The crackdown is all about a Full Give Away to Big Pharma 2banon Jan 2012 #13
The Drug War Industry is as entrenched as the Health Insurance grifters, neither will back off... nt dougolat Jan 2012 #20


(8,244 posts)
1. Support full decriminalization
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 04:45 PM
Jan 2012

The medical use is real, but ultimately in the long run (years later) doctors are not going to prescribe a smoked drug if a pill is available instead. If you think smoked marijuana should be legal, just come out and say the government should either keep its hands off weed, or even better, regulate and tax it so we know what we are buying. I'd like to be able to use it just for fun and to relax, and I don't want to have to get doctors note.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
4. Exactly.
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 05:12 PM
Jan 2012

There are so many reasons to make it legal.

(1) It would immediately deflate the cost and free up huge amounts of $ for the above ground economy.
(2) It is less damaging to the body and society than alcohol.
(3) It would take the black market incentive out of MJ which is fueling wars of carnage in Mexico.
(4) It would eliminate the costs of prosecution and incarceration that costs the taxpayers billions.
(5) It's smart politics. Lots of Democratic voters are incarcerated and it would bring in a ton of young voters. I'd also be pre-empting a guy like Mitt Romney from using this as a campaign issue by starting a bill to decriminalize now - not sure he will, but if he did, I think he'd pick up a huge segment of voters on this issue alone.

The only people that benefit are Big Pharma, Big Alcohol, and the growers/distributors - and they are the ones that want to keep it illegal. A clear and growing majority want government to do the smart thing and heel to the will of the people.

Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #4)


(45,358 posts)
3. As usual, TYT is full of crap.
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 05:11 PM
Jan 2012

The Obama Adminstration supports legal MMJ. They don't support dispensaries breaking state law.



(829 posts)
5. With all due respect
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 05:23 PM
Jan 2012

BS. The federal government is not authorized to enforce state laws.

Federal agencies are enforcing federal laws selectively against the MMJ industry in direct opposition to state law.

This admin has a sorry record on MJ issues and is even harsher against state-level legalization than the Bush regime was.


(13,532 posts)
6. To be fair to the critic
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 05:27 PM
Jan 2012

it's clear that he/she watched both videos in their entirety and also read the the Raw Story and HuffPo pieces I provided links to. He/She also provided a sourced, point-by-point debunking of the commentary in both videos.



(7,321 posts)
15. Obama supports BigPharma Monopolization of the industry.
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 01:46 PM
Jan 2012

That's his agenda. So as usual, TYT is spot on.


(4,458 posts)
8. Theres one problem-It is my understanding
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 06:01 PM
Jan 2012

Prop 215 was never signed into law b/c the governor Disagreed with the voters for passing it.
To this day, I'm not sure if it has ever been signed into law, making it "complete".
Could that be at least in part, one reson why the feds are so involved in CA?

Then there is this:

and this


(13,532 posts)
9. Let's be generous and say that's the case
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 06:06 PM
Jan 2012

Where is the enormous pressure from voters demanding that the Obama admin crack down on medical marijuana? There are a lot different issues the feds can be involved in and they make active decisions on what to focus on and not focus on.

That's where your second link comes in (which references the Raw Story piece I linked to in the OP by the way). If the Feds were NOT cracking down on medical marijuana does anyone really think it would hurt Obama's re-election chances? That anyone would even notice? That it would become some major issue in this election? No, in fact it appears the opposite is true, i.e. medical marijuana/marijuana advocates are angered by the actions of the Obama admin, and rightfully so.


(4,458 posts)
10. At the end of the day, this matter
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 06:35 PM
Jan 2012

Swells during an election year and slowly we get distracted and all matters of Cannabis gets shoved aside-We are conciliatory time and time again.
And No, Most would not notice, in part because there is a stunning majority that want Cannabis Prohibition Ended for a variety of reasons.

There is this one small step taken by the Obama admin:

I don't have the answers BUT I do believe if we do keep Obama And give him a filibuster proof Senate and a majority in the House-We would shift the conversation and the status quo outcome. The People overwhelmingly Want this and are Tired of corporate rule, loss of civil liberties and certainly, the RW definition of "smaller gov".
I actually don't care if BigPHRMA wants this as long as We have a choice to provide for ourselves or use their products. The days of corporate monopolization Must be ended.
The most dangerous element surrounding the use of Cannabis are the Laws, Rules and Policies that govern its use. Again, DE-Schedule at the federal level.

(I didn't see the same link sandwiched there-apologies)


(13,532 posts)
18. I agree the people want it
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 01:00 AM
Jan 2012

but I have far less confidence that President Obama would take action even with filibuster proof majorities. And look, I'm not someone who's outraged that he hasn't made a huge issues out of legalization.

I am, however, incredibly disappointed (to say the least) that the admin is going out of its way to crack down on the drug rather than simply letting the states do their thing.


(4,458 posts)
19. While I remain somewhat naive
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:08 AM
Jan 2012

about congressional process, it would seem that this is a matter that congress must attend to. Obama could veto, but I don't (at this point) believe he would.

Yes, I believe he Could direct Holder to Back off on enforcement, I don't see that happening this year.

There is a LOT of money behind maintaining the status quo-Incarcerating people under laws that are Not based upon keeping society safer, but as a revenue source for those who Profit from prohibition.

The tax payers Fund this program and get No return from their investment of tax dollars, but the corporate prohibitionists make lots of money off it like drug lords.

Multiple Polls favoring both personal and medical use of Cannabis consistently tell us prohibition is not being maintained based on the will of the people but rather the 1%.

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