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Thu Nov 12, 2020, 06:48 PM

"If You Are Not a Good Actor, You Cannot Be A Good President"

SO true that Reagan was the first caricature out of American culture.

Yes, he was the Manchurian Candidate for the austerity economics of global corporatists and bankers. "They believed it" from the start.

Those years showed me the pervasive, dark, conman politics of corporate Republicanism.

The rich corporate class loved this theater which kept huge swaths of the population distracted enough to keep their insurgency in American government unknown. And as the video says, Reagan was their frontman.

Anyone too little or yet unborn in those days should watch this documentary, along with any of us who lived through it. Reagan's damage, we told each other, would last into the next century. We were right.


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Reply "If You Are Not a Good Actor, You Cannot Be A Good President" (Original post)
ancianita Nov 2020 OP
Hip2bSquare Nov 2020 #1
ancianita Nov 2020 #2
OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2020 #3
ancianita Nov 2020 #4
Sneederbunk Nov 2020 #5
ancianita Nov 2020 #6
Auggie Nov 2020 #7
ancianita Nov 2020 #9
Auggie Nov 2020 #12
ancianita Nov 2020 #13
Auggie Nov 2020 #24
ancianita Nov 2020 #26
3catwoman3 Nov 2020 #22
yankeepants Nov 2020 #8
ancianita Nov 2020 #10
yankeepants Nov 2020 #14
ancianita Nov 2020 #16
yankeepants Nov 2020 #17
ancianita Nov 2020 #11
yankeepants Nov 2020 #15
ancianita Nov 2020 #20
burrowowl Nov 2020 #18
Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #19
ancianita Nov 2020 #21
Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #23
ancianita Nov 2020 #25
Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #27
ancianita Nov 2020 #28
Baked Potato Nov 2020 #29

Response to ancianita (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 07:20 PM

1. Reagan, is the reason I'm a Democrat

I was young when Reagan was president. As a child, I didn't like him. I was a full, indoctrinated Catholic child and believed every word and his harsh comments on poverty struck me so deeply. It wasn't until I got older when I learned about his blatant racism and his ineptness.

So, I thank reagan for making me a blue card carrying Democrat.
This is the DU member formerly known as Hip2bSquare.

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Response to Hip2bSquare (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 07:27 PM

2. You're not alone.

Thanks for your story. He was the reason I became an unabashed liberal. I never knew what being liberal was until I had to defend it, and in those days, liberals were bashed by Repub talking heads on tv and the airwaves.

Liberals were on the ropes so badly that by the time Clinton won, he had to prove that he could be a "tough guy" like Republicans. A few things our party regrets in Clinton years came from the message commandeering that Repubs started with Reagan.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 07:28 PM

3. The father of modern Republicanism.

The anti-Eisenhower, if you will.

On edit: Clarification - Yeah, there was Nixon, but he was in control of his agenda. Reagan played the President and let the Meeses's and Deavers run the same Nixon agenda.

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 07:31 PM

4. You are correct.

Republicanism as front men for corporate deregulation and takeover of government operations and acquiring American tax wealth -- that big pot o' money they've gotten subsidized by ever since.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 07:37 PM

5. Historians will not exactly polish the Reagan Presidency.

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Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 07:40 PM

6. Maybe, but they haven't clearly set out his long term damaging actions, either.

They mostly have talked about how powerful his influence was -- when he was actually scripted by a corporate PR machine. People would rather believe the (his)story of what they could see rather than the forces at work that they couldn't see.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 07:56 PM

7. This: "Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem."

This is the lie that started the FUCKING NIGHTMARE in the USA.

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Response to Auggie (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 08:16 PM

9. Yes! The first corporate framing to weaken their target.

Also he said the nine most terrifying words were something like "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."


Wikiquote's got a list of all his famous pronouncements, where and when he said them. They read like what we know today as corporate PR script.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan



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Response to ancianita (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 08:35 PM

12. Exactly. An actor reading lines. Holy shit, did I hate that phony MF!

I hate Trump more. But Reagan is a very close second.

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Response to Auggie (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 08:40 PM

13. Totally with you. That this documentary comes out now, is important history to now remind us

of how this shit got traction with people who wanted to believe stories and myths more than to know reality. And then came Reality TV, right?

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Response to ancianita (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 09:22 PM

24. Hate radio. FOX News. The Dark Web. Social media. Trump.

Started with Reagan and snowballed. A disgusting shit show for 40 years.

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Response to Auggie (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 09:28 PM

26. Amen! He's the one who ended the Fairness Doctrine and invited the building of the

shit-for-brains demographic now voting for QAnon candidates and Trump.

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Response to Auggie (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 09:16 PM

22. Me, too.

Lousy actor. Lousy president.

And the worshipful way Nancy stared up at him made me want to hurl.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 08:14 PM

8. He sucked at both.

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Response to yankeepants (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 08:17 PM

10. So bad that Republicans can draw a straight line from Reagan & AIDS to Trump & COVID.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 08:41 PM

14. Shoulder pads, rouge, hair dye, and first shrew lady.

He was the puppet responsible for so much damage but mostly, in my opinion, was the start of the dumbing down of America. I was in college and editor of the college paper when he took office and the the cuts to financial aid started coming. Students were having to drop out because of the financial burden which has persisted to this day.

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Response to yankeepants (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 08:48 PM

16. Yes! All that fakery.

To hide that it was indeed the beginning of austerity imposed on the middle class by closing access to higher education. We were outraged about jacked up college prices and pissed off that govt loans got outsourced to banks that charged usury rates to get college loans.

Dumbing down, indeed.

And it's worked on today's 71 million Republican voters.

But we're going to take the $7.8 TRILLION wealth that taxpayers pay every year now, and heal that higher education debt shit, along with the planet and voting rights and women's, Blacks and LGBTQ rights. Corporations had better fall the fuck back.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 08:53 PM

17. Hear! Hear!

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 08:34 PM

11. Eddie Grant had this #1 song in Reagan's day, and echoes today.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 08:42 PM

15. The anthem of the day.

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Response to yankeepants (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 09:09 PM

20. Sure as hell is, friend.

Down in the street there is violence
And a lots of work to be done
No place to hang out our washing
And I can't blame all on the sun, oh no

We gonna rock down to Electric Avenue
And then we'll take it higher
Oh we gonna rock down to Electric Avenue
And then we'll take it higher

Workin' so hard like a soldier
Can't afford a thing on TV
Deep in my heart I'm a warrior
Can't get food for them kid, good God

Who is to blame in one country
Never can get to the one
Dealin' in multiplication
And they still can't feed everyone, oh no

We gonna rock down to Electric Avenue
And then we'll take it higher

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 09:02 PM

18. Kick!

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 09:06 PM

19. My now liberal dad

voted for Reagan both times. He loved the guy. But he raised liberal sons and we (my brother and I) talked him into voting for Kerry in 2004. He slowly started turning against Repubs and by Obama, was a true blooded liberal. He says he only recently realized Reagan was the catalyst for all the bullshit we deal with today. He regrets voting for the man.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 09:10 PM

21. Would you call him one of the Reagan Democrats? Cuz I always wondered about that label.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 09:18 PM

23. No, he was a conservative Republican

who came from a Republican military family. However, he has always hated the evangelicals. He doesn’t have any use for religion and never did.

I think Reagan Democrats refers to people who always voted Dem until Reagan came on the scene. They’ve stayed Republican ever since.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 09:25 PM

25. I see.

I'm still, to this day, wondering who made up the Reagan Democrats. I never could figure it. So you'd say that maybe they were among the Southern Democrats? I was gone from the South by then, but considering how they cherished southern hero myths, I could see that they'd be those Dixiecrats that went for the gipper.

Good on you for changing your dad's mind. He sounds like someone who watches what people do and not what they say.

Lee Atwater, the godfather of dog whistling and Karl Rove's predecessor.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 09:32 PM

27. From what I've read,

Reagan Democrats primarily referred to formerly Democratic union members from the Midwest. I’d imagine there was also some in the South.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 09:36 PM

28. Ah. Thanks for jogging my memory.

After his corporatism had taken their jobs abroad -- all done by stealth, of course -- they're still buying into the PR that it was all Democrats' fault, even though the Texan Perot warned them.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:14 AM

29. Reagan cost me a good job. Eff him.

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