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Rhiannon12866

(205,317 posts)
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 03:20 AM Jun 2021

How Prosecuting Trump Could Protect The Future Of American Democracy - Ali Velshi - MSNBC



A new piece by The Boston Globe editorial board argues the Biden Justice Department must act now to hold Donald Trump accountable for his abuses of power while in office. Abdallah Fayyad, member of The Boston Globe’s editorial board, says prosecution would “restrain future presidents from abusing their power,” and former federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner says prosecution would show “we will not tolerate a runaway, criminal president.” Aired on 06/11/2021.


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How Prosecuting Trump Could Protect The Future Of American Democracy - Ali Velshi - MSNBC (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Jun 2021 OP
Yes elleng Jun 2021 #1
Absolutely! SheltieLover Jun 2021 #2
According to Mary Trump's book, he was given a free pass his entire life Rhiannon12866 Jun 2021 #4
I Wonder How Many Abortions He Is Personally Responsible For COL Mustard Jun 2021 #5
Well, that wasn't covered in the book. Rhiannon12866 Jun 2021 #6
He Is Living, Breathing Proof That Money Can't Buy Class COL Mustard Jun 2021 #7
You're right and TFG doesn't get it Rhiannon12866 Jun 2021 #8
The key take-away here is... Layzeebeaver Jun 2021 #9
Then we need to make a point of it - starting now Rhiannon12866 Jun 2021 #10
you my friend, and me... Layzeebeaver Jun 2021 #11
I've long given up on trying to predict anything on DU Rhiannon12866 Jun 2021 #14
So true Layzeebeaver Jun 2021 #15
Definitely. 👍 Duppers Jun 2021 #3
As so much of our current tragedy stems from a single point of failure to promote..... jaxexpat Jun 2021 #12
I think they'll start with the civil stuff Warpy Jun 2021 #13

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
2. Absolutely!
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 05:00 AM
Jun 2021

We had dump, in large part, because Nixon was pardoned & others have been given a free pass because of their wealth and/or status. With no concern for retribution, grifters will freely grift. That's a given, imo.

Ty for posting.

Ps - officials should be held to higher ethical standards and punished more harshly, imo, because they are violating the public trust.

Rhiannon12866

(205,317 posts)
4. According to Mary Trump's book, he was given a free pass his entire life
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 05:52 AM
Jun 2021

Not his siblings, 2 brothers and 2 sisters, just him. His father got him out of every scrape or legal issue he got into through either favors or money - a lot of money. So he went through life believing that laws, rules and norms just didn't apply to him. He was obviously a very damaged individual never suited for public office. He never even had a "real" job, just worked for his father, mainly doing whatever he wanted. It's long past time he finally faced consequences and it's likely that a real investigation will reveal transgressions that go back decades.

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
5. I Wonder How Many Abortions He Is Personally Responsible For
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 06:08 AM
Jun 2021

And how the evangelicals will react to him if that ever comes to light. I'm still amazed and disturbed at the nearly fanatical level of support he has among evangelicals.

Rhiannon12866

(205,317 posts)
6. Well, that wasn't covered in the book.
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 06:20 AM
Jun 2021

The transgressions covered were mainly financial. But Mary Trump painted a picture of someone who was able to get away with everything, so none of us should be surprised at anything more that comes to light.

And I sure agree with you about the evangelicals. That makes no sense at all. If these are religious folks, why would they fanatically support someone who is not in the least religious, has never attended any church - and, as we have seen both when he attended George H.W. Bush's funeral and his more recent Bible holding photo op, he has no idea how to behave either in a church or even near one??

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
7. He Is Living, Breathing Proof That Money Can't Buy Class
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 06:26 AM
Jun 2021

I'd much rather have Lunchbucket Joe in the White House than TFG. Joe cares about his family, and loves his country...both are alien concepts to TFG.

Rhiannon12866

(205,317 posts)
8. You're right and TFG doesn't get it
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 06:47 AM
Jun 2021

He lost his closest (younger) brother quite recently, but doesn't seem to be affected at all. And when his eldest brother died way too young (42), he went to the movies! So he has no concept of or loyalty to family - nor service to country. He grew up believing that it's all there to serve him. So it's impossible for him to understand someone who has dedicated his life to service like Joe Biden. TFG has never served anyone but himself.

Layzeebeaver

(1,623 posts)
9. The key take-away here is...
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 07:00 AM
Jun 2021

...that advanced democracies truly comprehend the necessity of prosecuting criminal actions of their elected officials.

Here in the U.S. we seem to not take that as a serious endeavour.

We may have "jump started" democratic governance back in "1776", and might have had a substantial lead at the start.

Now the U.S. seems dead last in the race for democracy. Meanwhile, "wealth and power" have been pulling ahead forever.

Democracy = rabbit
Wealth and power = Turtle

Think about that...

Sorry, forgot to add the "Mc" in front of the turtle

Rhiannon12866

(205,317 posts)
10. Then we need to make a point of it - starting now
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 07:08 AM
Jun 2021

Just the other night Rachel Maddow pointed out that leaders in other countries have been convicted for breaking laws and have served time - recently. That needs to happen in this country as well. Just because it hasn't happened before is no excuse. And, as has also been said, it needs to happen now to prevent it from happening again.

Layzeebeaver

(1,623 posts)
11. you my friend, and me...
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 08:17 AM
Jun 2021

we both obviously live in the same dimension!

However, on my end, I still struggle to find the right way to post something that gets traction.

Rhiannon12866

(205,317 posts)
14. I've long given up on trying to predict anything on DU
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 07:30 PM
Jun 2021

I'll think I've discovered a terrific find, only to have it sink like a stone. And the other night I hesitated to post something, but decided some would be interested, and it climbed right up on The Greatest Page. So you take your chances...

jaxexpat

(6,820 posts)
12. As so much of our current tragedy stems from a single point of failure to promote.....
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 09:05 AM
Jun 2021

justice, the miscreants have no fear or respect of it. I refer to the irresponsible and unnecessary choice made to NOT convict Nixon for assuming dictatorial prerogatives. How much of our national milieu could have been avoided had Nixon spent a few months in prison?

It might be a good thing to exhume Andrew Jackson and try him for his crimes against humanity and civility. Our current southern border problems have their roots in his aspirational, ham-handed dealings with Mexico. He personally brought racism and cruelty to new heights of vulgarity during his exercise in presidential irresponsibility. The veritable template for todays domestic terrorists.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
13. I think they'll start with the civil stuff
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 01:00 PM
Jun 2021

like wire fraud, money laundering, tax evasion, that sort of thing. If they can't get him that way, by then Biden will be out of office and perhaps they'll go after him for his crimes in office.

It takes a long time for dictators to be put away.

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