Afghan Allies Of U.S. Frantic For Way Out Ahead Of Deadly Taliban Advance - Rachel Maddow - MSNBC

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Matt Zeller, co-founder of No One Left Behind, talks with Rachel Maddow about the many unanswered questions Afghan allies are struggling to negotiate with dwindling time ahead of a deadly Taliban advance as the U.S. withdraws from Afghanistan. Aired on 07/14/2021.

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1. afghanis had 18 years to thwart this development or plan for it nt

[Rhiannon12866]

2. Last I heard on the news, the Taliban controls much of the country.

[True Blue American]

3. They would still

Be there if we stayed 40 years. After listening to Bush whine yesterday about how bad it would be all I could think of was,” It would not be a war torn Country if you had not lied us into war with Iraq. He is responsible and needs to crawl back in his bath tub and paint pictures.

Sorry, I know this is a terrible situation, but we do not need to hear from the petulant boy who said,” He tried to kill my Daddy,” and unleashed a 20 year war wasting trillions, killing and wounding so many of ours, not to mention Iraqi men, women and children. I can still see the pictures of them.

Sorry, he makes my blood boil, no reflection on you!

[Rhiannon12866]

5. No problem, I remember how sick I felt about it at the time

I thought for sure when Nelson Mandela warned against it, that would have an impact, but it went ahead anyway. I hadn't participated in too many protests in my life, but I showed up for that one. I was pretty impressed with the turnout in my small town. I lost count at over 70 who showed up, then we met up with an even larger group that had assembled nearby and we marched through the main street of the town with lighted candles. I still didn't think it would happen after all the protests globally, silly me.

And of course when our protest was reported in the local paper, instead of the long line of candles at night, the one photo they printed was of the lone "support the troops" guy. *sigh*

And I was here on DU during the night of "shock and awe." I was remembering a photo that someone had posted of a little Iraqi boy launching a lighted candle in the water during a peace gathering there. And I couldn't help wondering where he was that night, if he was alright, if he was scared, or even if he was alive.

So I remember, too.

[True Blue American]

7. Thank you for that.

I have been so thoroughly disgusted with the media lately. We finally have a chance to clean things up. President Biden is helping to get the translators out and do what they can.

I would have thrown a rock through the TV, but it is a new Sony when I heard Bush with his blood red face start complaining about ending a war he lied us into.

For the good news I just saw our Mayor of Dayton, Nan Whaley on Joe. She has so many good ideas, completely restored Dayton. They are actually now restoring the worst area of Dayton, new public buildings, streets. Should be great for minorities that have long been neglected.

She spoke of the corruption of the controlling party for the last 20 years. She was in the meeting with Biden.

[JohnSJ]

6. The objective of our involvement in Afghanistan was to get bin Laden. We pushed bin Laden out

of Afghanistan into Pakistan from Tora Bora, and no doubt used our bases in Afghanistan to locate where bin Laden was and fled to, but once bin Laden was eliminated, our mission there should have been over.

What bush did by invading Iraq, destabilized the entire middle east, and upset the fragile balance of power in that region. A perfect example of unintended consequences.

The Obama Administration through Kerry tried to neutralize some of the damage done by the nuclear agreement with Iran, and when trump and the republicans got control, they undid every positive thing that the Obama administration accomplished, and there was quite a few things, both foreign and domestic

It is infuriating, and in spite of the disaster of the last four years with just the handling of the pandemic, there is a real danger that the republicans can regain control in the Congress again, which is why in spite of all the voting suppression laws in process or implemented, we need to get people to work around them and vote en masse to prevent that

[True Blue American]

8. Applause.

[JohnSJ]

4. I am a little bit disappointed in Maddow on this. There is an evacuation plan in place, and just

because the administration has not shared those plans with Maddow, she has been assuming the worst.

Her show has been going out of its way disparaging Biden because he did not call for getting rid of the filibuster, implying that his speech on voting rights was a "failure" because he left that out. The way she is reporting this, it is as though people are not aware that the filibuster is what is holding the voting rights legislation up. They are, and because Biden isn't publicly calling out the two most resistant Senators to filibuster reform, Manchin and Sinema, it is somehow Biden's fault.

For someone who always prefaces her show with a "history" lesson, she seems to have forgotten that it is the job of the Senate and the Senate majority leader to get the ball rolling as Harry Reid did when the republicans were holding up all of President Obama's judicial appointments. Reid eliminated the filibuster for those judicial appointments with the exception of the SC appointments, and brought that up to the Senate. President Obama was not involved in that process. It should also be noted that when the repukes retook control of the Senate, it was McConnell who then eliminated the SC appointments from being filibustered according to the same nuclear option Harry Reid used.

In addition, her assumption that Biden is not doing anything behind the signs regarding voting rights, because she is not aware of it, is a flawed assumption.

Since President Biden took office, he has held his cards close to his chest, and does not broadcast his strategy. Maddow should know that by now, but I guess it creates more viewers when she stirs things up by assuming nothing is being done to evacuate those who helped us when we were in Afghanistan, and that he is doing nothing about pushing certain Senators regarding the voting legislation.

It was just a few days ago that the media was pushing that Sanders would not accept any infrastructure plan less than 6 trillion, and Manchin would not accept anything more than two trillion, then suddenly an agreement was reached among ALL Democrats at 3.5 trillion.

There is a difference between reporting speculation verses actual fact, and sometimes what is speculation gets confused as actually fact

[True Blue American]

9. Seriously, MSNBC

Is keeping Trump alive. I am so sick of the same old, tired Republicans ranting about him day after day. Never anything new unless it is sensational.

At least CNN gives news.

[JohnSJ]

11. CNN also pushes that to some degree also, but I agree with your assessment it is for the sake

of sensationalism with the intent of attracting viewers

[True Blue American]

12. True, but boy is CNN

On the ball this morning! I have to go away for a couple of hours but am recording it. George Conway, General Miley and Liz Cheney!

[JohnSJ]

13. Yesterday was a scathing indictment against trump, and how close we came to a coup

Except for a few key people who were ready to jump in and prevent it from happening

[True Blue American]

14. That shows just how close we were to the edge.

My Son asked me this morning how we had become so mean. For once I had no answer.

Even in his young years things were fairly normal.

[True Blue American]

10. Thank heavens I am on a board with

People who use their brains. Feels so good.