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Rhiannon12866

(205,486 posts)
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 12:45 AM Apr 2022

Curious Number Of Russian Oligarchs Have Died Since Invasion Of Ukraine - TRMS - Ali Velshi - MSNBC



Ali Velshi reports on four separate instances of Kremlin-connected, extremely wealthy Russians with ties to the oil industry who have died by suicide since Russia's war in Ukraine began. Aired on 04/22/2022.


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Curious Number Of Russian Oligarchs Have Died Since Invasion Of Ukraine - TRMS - Ali Velshi - MSNBC (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Apr 2022 OP
Curious, indeed. Deuxcents Apr 2022 #1
Knowing Putin's tendencies, seems way too coincidental Rhiannon12866 Apr 2022 #4
This war with Ukraine doesn't pay for itself ya know. secondwind Apr 2022 #2
He's got to be desperate - and we know he has no scruples at all, never has Rhiannon12866 Apr 2022 #3
I am surprised that Navalnyn is still alive.. jfz9580m Apr 2022 #5
Same here, I cannot imagine how anyone could go through this Rhiannon12866 Apr 2022 #6
You would think these Oligarchs would pool their money together Emile Apr 2022 #7
But aren't they also Putin supporters? Rhiannon12866 Apr 2022 #8
When you see your buddies disappearing left and right, that would Emile Apr 2022 #9
Well, in Russia, there is no one else to support Rhiannon12866 Apr 2022 #10
Even in Russia comes a time when you have to support yourself Emile Apr 2022 #11
I've actually spent time in Russia and there's one thing I really don't get Rhiannon12866 Apr 2022 #12
Russians thought they could have a war "over there" that is not a war but a "special operation" Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2022 #17
In the last few days, there have been news reports and/or articles about some of the oligarchs Frustratedlady Apr 2022 #18
Kicking for visibility SheltieLover Apr 2022 #13
Thanks! Rhiannon12866 Apr 2022 #14
What do you mean? SheltieLover Apr 2022 #15
I thought that you'd noticed Rhiannon12866 Apr 2022 #16
By my count, Velshi refers to at least 44 murders of either Russian oligarchs or leaders since 2017 ancianita Apr 2022 #19

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
2. This war with Ukraine doesn't pay for itself ya know.
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 12:58 AM
Apr 2022

Poor Vlad needs billions more to continue his quest. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is responsible for all of this, the killing of the entire family, etc. You get my drift? Snort

jfz9580m

(14,529 posts)
5. I am surprised that Navalnyn is still alive..
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 03:50 AM
Apr 2022

I first realized how nutty Russia was when the Anna Politkovskaya story broke when I was in grad school..after that I noticed stories about how bad it was for journalists, pro-democracy activists etc. there.
https://www.state.gov/15-year-anniversary-of-the-murder-of-anna-politkovskaya/

Maybe that is why I have some sympathy for the Russian people (who are privately not on board with this stuff but not actively resisting). Because it sounds like it is a variation on the Handmaid's Tale world already there..it sounds like resistance is typically a death sentence..until Putin's regime is toppled at least. People's resistance gets worn down in places like those.

Rhiannon12866

(205,486 posts)
6. Same here, I cannot imagine how anyone could go through this
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 03:56 AM
Apr 2022

I'm also surprised that this video that I posted tonight was already duplicated along with three others.

Rhiannon12866

(205,486 posts)
8. But aren't they also Putin supporters?
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 04:01 AM
Apr 2022

How else could any Russian manage to accumulate all that money??

Emile

(22,789 posts)
9. When you see your buddies disappearing left and right, that would
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 04:07 AM
Apr 2022

give anyone pause on who to support!

Rhiannon12866

(205,486 posts)
10. Well, in Russia, there is no one else to support
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 04:10 AM
Apr 2022

Anything else puts you in danger of retribution.

Rhiannon12866

(205,486 posts)
12. I've actually spent time in Russia and there's one thing I really don't get
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 04:30 AM
Apr 2022

I was there in the late '80s, my grandmother joined a peace group that had a "sister town" in the Caucasus Mountains and she invited me to join them on their initial trip. And those we met were vehemently anti-war - as has been said, the Russian people suffered terribly during WWII fought on their own soil and there are placques and statues everywhere in memory of those they lost. Even in the schools there are museums to teach the next generations about the horrors they experienced during that war. I still remember one older woman who had served as a nurse during WWII who said to us "Please, when you go back, tell your president that we want peace." The mentality back then was "Never again." But it appears they have forgotten.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,007 posts)
17. Russians thought they could have a war "over there" that is not a war but a "special operation"
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 06:16 AM
Apr 2022

Some are rethinking.

It was the mothers who broke the Soviet camel's back in 1990 or so.

Will "special operation" mothers break Putin? Or be the final straw?

When the Moskva was sunk, the Russian government officially stated that all (ALL) the crew members had been rescued from the ship. Now mothers of Russian sailors are asking where their sons are.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
18. In the last few days, there have been news reports and/or articles about some of the oligarchs
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 07:27 AM
Apr 2022

who are furious with Putin. I wish I could find them so we could check to see if these two are included in that bunch.

Apparently, Putin's group of "friends" isn't all it's cracked up to be. Putin just hopes they are on his side.

I would guess that there are a slew of oligarchs who are looking for some exotic place to hide until Putin is gone. They'll just have to find other transportation beyond their yachts.

I wonder how many live in the U.S.?

ancianita

(36,081 posts)
19. By my count, Velshi refers to at least 44 murders of either Russian oligarchs or leaders since 2017
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 12:03 PM
Apr 2022

The worse sanctions get, the more Putin's assassins will have the oligarchs fall in line or die. Or the Russian kleptocracy and its mafia boss will keep up their cat and mouse games.



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