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Eric Ward, Executive Director and Senior Fellow at Southern Poverty Law Center, speaks with Yasmin Vossoughian about the recently leaked Oath Keepers membership roster including military, law enforcement officials, and elected officials. - Aired on 09/10/2022.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)They should all be fired.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)Not certain if the list is of actual dues paying active members, but everyone should be investigated and if active, yes there should be consequences.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)One TN official who is on the list said he joined years ago but isn't active.
I'm saying a leopard doesn't change it's spots & those who joined have no place in public service or elected office.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)AND just like TFG they will screw up eventually, but it might keep them in check knowing they are being watched after so many get the boot.
Deterrence is what having laws and jails is all about.
You the law, but you ain't above the law needs to be a bumper sticker.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Jmo.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)Thing is if they were just on the email list because the Oath Keepers WANTED to snag them, but they never stuck around after seeing what it was... that might actually show they have some standards.
BUT if they actually followed through and it can be seen or if they have any evidence that these people ARE of that ilk, yeah.
It's just that "innocent until proven guilty thing" but if they ARE guilty. Yep.
Not like we have videos of them like we had of Derek Chauvin.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Led me to believe people took some action in filling out an application or paying to join.
I think this is the article:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217137195
I agree that if that org just added people to the list without the people taking some action to demonstrate interest or intent they should just be watched or investigated.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)BUT DEFINITELY people to be watched.
If they were suckered in once.... and they have positions of power who knows what group might suck them in next and under what pretext.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/elected-officials-police-officers-and-members-of-military-on-oath-keepers-membership-list-report-says
Even for those who claimed to have left the organization when it began to employ more aggressive tactics in 2014, it is important to remember that the Oath Keepers have espoused extremism since their founding, and this fact was not enough to deter these individuals from signing up, the report says.
Appearing in the Oath Keepers database doesnt prove that a person was ever an active member of the group or shares its ideology. Some people on the list contacted by The Associated Press said they were briefly members years ago and are no longer affiliated with the group. Some said they were never dues-paying members.
Their views are far too extreme for me, said Shawn Mobley, sheriff of Otero County, Colorado. Mobley told the AP in an email that he distanced himself from the Oath Keepers years ago over concerns about its involvement in the standoff against the federal government at Bundy Ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada, among other things.
https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/bundy-ranch-standoff-provided-a-warning-of-what-was-to-come
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)"I don't really consider myself a member, but I probably have a lot in common with many of the members," he told Knox News.
He said he believes in the organization's founding ideology, that those in public office are bound by a lifelong oath to follow the law and the Constitution. Mead said some Oath Keepers have diverged from the group's original mission, but thinks the organization is being demonized.
It's this type of "well, I don't really belong" that is disturbing to me.
From link posted above.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)He said he believes in the organization's founding ideology, that those in public office are bound by a lifelong oath to follow the law and the Constitution.
SO if in the beginning, they start with that and he fell away at some point... I guess I am thinking like typical abusers seem SO NICE at the beginning and tell you what you want to hear.
In 2014 the group had gotten much more radical.
SO if he's believing that group is following the law and the Constitution..... and hasn't been in it to see the changes, it could be like DEMS who voted on bills in the daytime and overnight when VP Cheney and crew rewrote it to fit THEIR ideas of what it should have been..... their names were on the bill, but the bill wasn't the same as it was when they voted on it.
I don't know if you remember those days, it's been awhile.
Turbineguy
(37,324 posts)riversedge
(70,204 posts)TigressDem
(5,125 posts)The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies including as police chiefs and sheriffs and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.
It also identified more than 80 people who were running for or served in public office as of early August.
Rhiannon12866
(205,280 posts)Cozmo
(1,402 posts)Habitation
(5,644 posts)Make them all public