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Rhiannon12866

(205,280 posts)
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 07:18 PM Sep 2022

373 Members Of Law Enforcement Found On Oath Keepers Membership Rolls - MSNBC Reports



Eric Ward, Executive Director and Senior Fellow at Southern Poverty Law Center, speaks with Yasmin Vossoughian about the recently leaked Oath Keepers membership roster including military, law enforcement officials, and elected officials. - Aired on 09/10/2022.


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373 Members Of Law Enforcement Found On Oath Keepers Membership Rolls - MSNBC Reports (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Sep 2022 OP
Not surprising, but scary! SheltieLover Sep 2022 #1
SOME on the list haven't had any contact in years. TigressDem Sep 2022 #5
But this group has never been about anything but hate, as far as I've read SheltieLover Sep 2022 #7
Watch them for sure, but until they actually DO something.... TigressDem Sep 2022 #8
I'm not fond of the idea of having terrorists in govt or policing SheltieLover Sep 2022 #9
Me either. TigressDem Sep 2022 #10
The article I'd read, at least quoting one official on the list SheltieLover Sep 2022 #11
It's a slippery slope, but the Bundy Ranch standoff was an eye opener for many. TigressDem Sep 2022 #12
Yes,, but SheltieLover Sep 2022 #13
IF they were misled... TigressDem Sep 2022 #15
"Guardians of the People" Turbineguy Sep 2022 #2
k and R riversedge Sep 2022 #3
So that is only police? I thought the number was higher if FBI, Armed Services etc... TigressDem Sep 2022 #4
Yes, a report recently included members of the military and elected officials Rhiannon12866 Sep 2022 #6
Release all the names! Cozmo Sep 2022 #14
Scum, all of them are scum Habitation Sep 2022 #16

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
5. SOME on the list haven't had any contact in years.
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 07:43 PM
Sep 2022

Not certain if the list is of actual dues paying active members, but everyone should be investigated and if active, yes there should be consequences.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
7. But this group has never been about anything but hate, as far as I've read
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 07:49 PM
Sep 2022

One TN official who is on the list said he joined years ago but isn't active.

I'm saying a leopard doesn't change it's spots & those who joined have no place in public service or elected office.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
8. Watch them for sure, but until they actually DO something....
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 07:58 PM
Sep 2022

AND just like TFG they will screw up eventually, but it might keep them in check knowing they are being watched after so many get the boot.

Deterrence is what having laws and jails is all about.

You the law, but you ain't above the law needs to be a bumper sticker.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
10. Me either.
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 08:07 PM
Sep 2022

Thing is if they were just on the email list because the Oath Keepers WANTED to snag them, but they never stuck around after seeing what it was... that might actually show they have some standards.

BUT if they actually followed through and it can be seen or if they have any evidence that these people ARE of that ilk, yeah.

It's just that "innocent until proven guilty thing" but if they ARE guilty. Yep.

Not like we have videos of them like we had of Derek Chauvin.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
11. The article I'd read, at least quoting one official on the list
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 08:15 PM
Sep 2022

Led me to believe people took some action in filling out an application or paying to join.

I think this is the article:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217137195

I agree that if that org just added people to the list without the people taking some action to demonstrate interest or intent they should just be watched or investigated.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
12. It's a slippery slope, but the Bundy Ranch standoff was an eye opener for many.
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 08:23 PM
Sep 2022

BUT DEFINITELY people to be watched.

If they were suckered in once.... and they have positions of power who knows what group might suck them in next and under what pretext.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/elected-officials-police-officers-and-members-of-military-on-oath-keepers-membership-list-report-says

“Even for those who claimed to have left the organization when it began to employ more aggressive tactics in 2014, it is important to remember that the Oath Keepers have espoused extremism since their founding, and this fact was not enough to deter these individuals from signing up,” the report says.

Appearing in the Oath Keepers’ database doesn’t prove that a person was ever an active member of the group or shares its ideology. Some people on the list contacted by The Associated Press said they were briefly members years ago and are no longer affiliated with the group. Some said they were never dues-paying members.

“Their views are far too extreme for me,” said Shawn Mobley, sheriff of Otero County, Colorado. Mobley told the AP in an email that he distanced himself from the Oath Keepers years ago over concerns about its involvement in the standoff against the federal government at Bundy Ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada, among other things.



https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/bundy-ranch-standoff-provided-a-warning-of-what-was-to-come

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
13. Yes,, but
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 08:58 PM
Sep 2022

"I don't really consider myself a member, but I probably have a lot in common with many of the members," he told Knox News.

He said he believes in the organization's founding ideology, that those in public office are bound by a lifelong oath to follow the law and the Constitution. Mead said some Oath Keepers have diverged from the group's original mission, but thinks the organization is being demonized.

It's this type of "well, I don't really belong" that is disturbing to me.

From link posted above.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
15. IF they were misled...
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 11:06 PM
Sep 2022

He said he believes in the organization's founding ideology, that those in public office are bound by a lifelong oath to follow the law and the Constitution.


SO if in the beginning, they start with that and he fell away at some point... I guess I am thinking like typical abusers seem SO NICE at the beginning and tell you what you want to hear.

In 2014 the group had gotten much more radical.

SO if he's believing that group is following the law and the Constitution..... and hasn't been in it to see the changes, it could be like DEMS who voted on bills in the daytime and overnight when VP Cheney and crew rewrote it to fit THEIR ideas of what it should have been..... their names were on the bill, but the bill wasn't the same as it was when they voted on it.

I don't know if you remember those days, it's been awhile.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
4. So that is only police? I thought the number was higher if FBI, Armed Services etc...
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 07:41 PM
Sep 2022
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/elected-officials-police-officers-and-members-of-military-on-oath-keepers-membership-list-report-says

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

It also identified more than 80 people who were running for or served in public office as of early August.
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