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Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 08:15 PM Sep 2022

Master Vs. MAGA: Team Trump Rebuked In Court Over Stolen Docs - The Beat - MSNBC



Donald Trump’s legal team and the DOJ meet in court for the first time before the newly appointed special master, Judge Raymond Dearie. Dearie slamming Trump’s team for avoiding answering questions and reportedly expressed skepticism on claims of declassifying Mar-A-Lago documents. Former Federal Prosecutor John Flannery joins MSNBC’s Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber on the latest in the document scandal, shredding Trump’s claims, adding: “If you want this property back, it really had to be yours… Trump has no possessory interest.”


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Master Vs. MAGA: Team Trump Rebuked In Court Over Stolen Docs - The Beat - MSNBC (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Sep 2022 OP
Dearie sounds like an old school Repug ... very rare nowadays dweller Sep 2022 #1
That's how Dearie was described, a traditional conservative Republican. Rhiannon12866 Sep 2022 #2
The opinion by this three-judge panel was fun to read LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #3
Thanks! Rhiannon12866 Sep 2022 #4

dweller

(23,632 posts)
1. Dearie sounds like an old school Repug ... very rare nowadays
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 08:35 PM
Sep 2022

and I think Robert Redford should play John Flannagan in the movie


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Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
2. That's how Dearie was described, a traditional conservative Republican.
Wed Sep 21, 2022, 08:43 PM
Sep 2022

But TFG and his legal team have forgotten how "traditional" Republicans used to be - Dearie adheres to the Rule of Law, he's not a TFG fanatic! So they got exactly what they did not expect, though they specifically asked for him!

And Flannery's resemblance to Robert Redford has often been mentioned. Redford would e great in the movie!

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,225 posts)
3. The opinion by this three-judge panel was fun to read
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 01:51 AM
Sep 2022

I love good legal draftmanship and this opinion is well done. The opinion in effect rebukes Judge Loose Cannon and shows that she does not understand the law.

Here is a link to the opinion. https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000183-625b-da48-a3e3-e2ff83050000

The three-judge panel destroys some Judge Loose Cannon's claims. For example, the court held that TFG has no right to the 100 secret classified document. These documents are owned by the Federal government and not TFG

. They are “owned by, produced by
or for, or . . . under the control of the United States Government.”
Id. § 1.1. And they include information the “unauthorized disclosure [of which] could reasonably be expected to cause identifiable
or describable damage to the national security.” Id. § 1.4. For this
reason, a person may have access to classified information only if,
among other requirements, he “has a need-to-know the information.” Id. § 4.1(a)(3). This requirement pertains equally to former Presidents, unless the current administration, in its discretion,
chooses to waive that requirement. Id. § 4.4(3).

The declassification argument is a red herring in that declassification has no effect on who owns these documents

Plaintiff suggests that he may have declassified these documents when he was President. But the record contains no evidence
that any of these records were declassified. And before the special
master, Plaintiff resisted providing any evidence that he had declassified any of these documents. See Doc. No. 97 at 2–3., Sept. 19,
2022, letter from James M. Trusty, et al., to Special Master Raymond J. Dearie, at 2–3. In any event, at least for these purposes,
the declassification argument is a red herring because declassifying
an official document would not change its content or render it personal. So even if we assumed that Plaintiff did declassify some or
all of the documents, that would not explain why he has a personal
interest in them.
This factor—the Plaintiff’s personal interest (or lack thereof)
in the documents—also weighs against exercising jurisdiction.

The panel rejects Loose Cannon's claim that TFG is special and this opinion treats TFG the same as ordinary citizen.

The remaining potential injury identified by the district
court is “the threat of future prosecution and the serious, often indelible stigma associated therewith.” Doc. No. 64 at 10. No doubt
the threat of prosecution can weigh heavily on the mind of someone under investigation. But without diminishing the seriousness
of that burden, “if the mere threat of prosecution were allowed to
constitute irreparable harm . . . every potential defendant could
point to the same harm and invoke the equitable powers of the district court.” United States v. Search of Law Office, Residence, and
Storage Unit Alan Brown, 341 F.3d 404, 415 (5th Cir. 2003) (quotation omitted). If this concern were sufficient to constitute irreparable harm, courts’ “exercise of [their] equitable jurisdiction would
not be extraordinary, but instead quite ordinary.” Id........

Second, we find unpersuasive Plaintiff’s insistence that he
would be harmed by a criminal investigation. “Bearing the discomfiture and cost of a prosecution for crime even by an innocent person is one of the painful obligations of citizenship.” Cobbledick v.
United States, 309 U.S. 323, 325 (1940)


I had fun geeking out are reading this opinion.

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
4. Thanks!
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 02:00 AM
Sep 2022

I'm sure that you can understand it a lot better than I can, but it does sound to me that Cannon threw her career away to support TFG - and we know how that goes, just look at Michael Cohen...

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