One Scream Ruined His Career

[Quixote1818]

It was ridiculous this cost him so much especially when you compare this to what an embarrassment Trump is on everything.

[XanaDUer2]

1. I always felt this was ridiculous

And now we had a one-man crime wave as president

[japple]

2. I feel like the Democratic Party did not fight back hard enough on this.

[hedda_foil]

4. I'm convinced the Democratic Party was behind it. The party Establishment rejected him from go.

[elleng]

6. I agree.

[whathehell]

14. I feel the same. n/t

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[Rebl2]

15. Same here

[elias7]

3. Big media kept replaying the scream without the crowd noise, their fault

[SergeStorms]

5. I knew who you meant before I opened it.

His career as a politician, anyway. His career as a Doctor was rock solid.

What if? If the media had only included the entire clip instead of just the "scream". 😒

[EarnestPutz]

7. It was later reported, and shown, that the scream was accentuated by the television broadcast.....

.....microphones and, in actuality, was just part of the general crowd response and heard quite differently. I've thought of Howard Dean and this quirk of injustice often, as well as Edmund Muskie where a few emotional tears mixed with snowflakes in New Hampshire effectively ended his campaign.

[peppertree]

8. Little good it did Repugs. Dems had such a strong candidate in Kerry - Bush had to CHEAT him to win!

Ken "BlackBox" Blackwell could tell us all about that - but of course he'd never.

Something about Mike Connell and small planes...

[a kennedy]

9. Kinda like the guy in the tank.......ah, Michael Dukakis.

Whoever said Mr. Dukakis, just get into the tank.

[Buzz cook]

20. A lot of people there

Told him not to get in the tank and not wear the helmet.

And a lot of people coached him on how to respond to the inevitable death penalty question in the debates. Surprisingly Dukakis had a couple of back stories that were both germane and moving.

[MagaSmash]

10. Why wasn't THIS guy's career ENDED?

[Quixote1818]

13. Exactly! nt

[twodogsbarking]

11. Not unlike adding an "e" to potato.

[whathehell]

17. A lot worse, actually. n/t.

[NBachers]

12. I can remember the Real Concerned newscasters' "Questions about Howard Dean's mental health"

in the News at 11 promo. How did that lie get cemented in as the narrative so quickly?

[DFW]

16. It ruined his chance at the presidency. I'd say his career from 2004 to 2009 was impressive

I knew Howard before his run for the White House, and we remain friends. The "scream," by the way, was deliberately enhanced by the U.S. media. The print media still seemed to like him. TV (as well as a goodly portion of our own party) seemed scared and intimidated by him, and seemed to want him dead and buried, which is pretty much what they accomplished. But his time as DNC chair, with his 50 state strategy, seemed like the golden days of Democrats in opposition. What Howard accomplished in those four years was nothing less than Moses leading the children out of the desert.

I asked him in February 2009 what he would do if Rahm Emmanuel cheated him out of the HHS Secretary position that he so richly deserved. He said that if that happened, he would join some law firm for name recognition (for them) and some steady income (for him), and then spend the rest of his time "raising hell for causes he cares about." Two of the main causes he cares about, other than lending his wisdom to Democratic candidates and the occasional talk show/news show appearance, are human trafficking and environmental issues.

He has already helped organize and participated in a march from Bangkok to the Burmese border to bring attention to human trafficking. By the way, except for me, I don't recall anyone on DU ever mentioning that. And in the early days when Bernie Sanders was mayor of Burlington, Vermont, Sanders was in league with some developers that wanted to build up some park land near the lake, which Howard opposed. Howard wanted the park to remain undeveloped, reserved for public use. Howard won that dispute, and Sanders didn't speak to him for four years. Howard managed to survive the experience.

[pansypoo53219]

18. the media enhanced it. because he said break big media BEFORE the election.

[Buzz cook]

19. Well that and saying he'd bring back the Fairness Doctrine

It was on one of the talking head shows. Pretty much cost him a chance of the nomination.

I think he would have been a better candidate than Kerry.

[Hekate]

25. I don't know; for Kerry they invented "Swiftboating" & the GOP became the party it is today

[Hekate]

21. The media response ruined his career. I have a friend who was there --

She said the crowd was so packed and noisy you couldn’t hear yourself think. She never heard what we heard.

Television teams had a huge microphone boom aimed right at Dean. That boom could probably have recorded a flea turning over. Instead it caught Howard Dean’s yell, and a cruel meme was born. TV talking heads must have played it a thousand times, snickering and snickering.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

22. ..and whatshisname riding in the tank with the hat on. such a little thing to judge a candidate on

while trump has orange makeup and bobbypins in his hair

[Hekate]

23. Trump climbed into a big ol' twuck and went "Voom-voom!" As potus.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

24. yep. double standard. God forbid if Obama had done 10% of the stuff that Trump does

[sl8]

26. Exactly.

WCAX (Vermont TV) had reporters in Iowa that night. Back home, the anchor asked about the scream and the reporters told him the same story as your friends told you. They said he'd been shouting all night, to be heard above the crowd, which us why he was so hoarse. The said the "scream" was not at all out of place amongst the din, it was just that the (directional?) mike was doing a good job of isolating his voice from the crowd's.

That reporting was on the night of the caucus. If memory serves, the national media didn't start running with it for 2-3 days. You'd think if it were really newsworthy, they would have reported it immediately. It struck me that they were all just hopping on the bandwagon.

Made me wonder about how many other stories they had reported in the same fashion, stories I saw without benefit of already knowing the real story, which was then distorted by their reporting.

Lost a liitle more trust in the media that week.

[sl8]

27. "The Dean Scream: What Really Happened" - FiveThirtyEight and ESPN Films

Video at link.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/the-dean-scream-what-really-happened/

The Dean Scream: What Really Happened
By FiveThirtyEight

Filed under FiveThirtyEight Elections

Twelve years ago, just after the 2004 Iowa caucuses, Democratic candidate Howard Dean raised his voice, balled his fist and entered political history as a man whose immoderate speaking style cost him a career. That’s the accepted narrative, at least, of what happened in that year’s presidential race. But the truth is not always what the crowd remembers. In this short film, produced by FiveThirtyEight and ESPN Films and directed by Bryan Storkel, Dean and others who know the race well recall what really happened. It’s the first film in this year’s FiveThirtyEight Elections series. And be sure to listen to the companion podcast documentary about why the Dean Scream sounded so different on TV.

Also,
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-the-dean-scream-sounded-so-different-on-tv/
(Article discussing part of the podcast)