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Rhiannon12866

(206,247 posts)
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 02:33 AM Apr 2023

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) - Homeowners Associations

Last edited Mon Apr 10, 2023, 03:26 PM - Edit history (2)



John Oliver discusses homeowners associations, the surprising power they have, and how to tell if a tree is “tree-shaped.”




And here's a "bootleg" version of the show which includes John's initial comments on recent events including - a Texas judge moved to suspend FDA approval of a key drug for medication abortions; "a rich white man suffering the beginning of a potential consequence"; the WWE sold a controlling stake in itself; the week's events in Tennessee, the justified response to another mass school shooting, the expulsion of State Reps. over unproven accusations that they were "inciting violence" and the unmistakable pattern to the results of those expelled; newscasters voice their fear of creepy Easter Bunnies. It won't last long, as usual:



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Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) - Homeowners Associations (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Apr 2023 OP
Sadly it's moniss Apr 2023 #1
That sounds perfectly awful, having watched this I realize how lucky we are here Rhiannon12866 Apr 2023 #2
Around here even in the rural areas moniss Apr 2023 #8
I'm on a condo HOA board. we get along great, everything is above board, and owners msongs Apr 2023 #3
I think when it works OK is when you have moniss Apr 2023 #5
Sounds like John was reporting on abuses in the system, Rhiannon12866 Apr 2023 #6
Same here, we have a great board after we got rid of a corrupt property mgmt company.. mitch96 Apr 2023 #21
That is awful! I'm glad I don't have an HOA for my home. brer cat Apr 2023 #4
Same here. Rhiannon12866 Apr 2023 #10
In Az LittleGirl Apr 2023 #7
The neighborhood where I live goes back to the '90s (new for this area) so all we have are Rhiannon12866 Apr 2023 #9
I guess they liked the house but not the trees LittleGirl Apr 2023 #15
i couldnt live in a condo let alone a place w an hoa. mopinko Apr 2023 #11
easter bunnies- mopinko Apr 2023 #12
Moved out of a deed-restricted community 20 years ago Fritz Walter Apr 2023 #13
Did anyone check out the Chuck E. Cheese alternative at LASTSQUEAKTONIGHT.COM ? TheBlackAdder Apr 2023 #14
We are moving into an HOA community PXR-5 Apr 2023 #16
Sounds like sections of Africa--areas devolved into chaos and people move to fortified communities. TheBlackAdder Apr 2023 #17
parts of Latin America as well. cab67 Apr 2023 #20
Kick burrowowl Apr 2023 #18
There's an angle that wasn't reported here. cab67 Apr 2023 #19

moniss

(4,274 posts)
1. Sadly it's
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 04:07 AM
Apr 2023

an epidemic in all types of living. I recall one couple I knew who had problems with their condo association board. Any repairs or improvements on the units could only be made through one approved contractor and the "work" performed was always late, way overpriced and shoddy. But you had no choice you could not use anybody else. When they asked the board for copies of the board meeting minutes they were refused. In fact no real records existed anyway. The board members were always the same people and if you wanted life to be OK you knew not to run against them. Constant "special assessment fees" for "improvement needs" but nothing was ever changed or improved. There was no pool, no community area etc. Nothing but snow plowing, lawn maintenance and not even trash collection because that was done by the municipality. The final kicker to the whole thing was the shoddy contractor, snow removal people and lawn maintenance people were all working for the same "services company" owned by the property management company that the crooked board contracted with. Gee do you suppose people were getting a cut of the "fees, dues, penalties and special assessments"?

Rhiannon12866

(206,247 posts)
2. That sounds perfectly awful, having watched this I realize how lucky we are here
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 04:29 AM
Apr 2023

I do remember hearing certain "rules" for this neighborhood like no clotheslines and no fences/walls over a certain height, but everybody owns their own property and nobody seems to care - though I do have a resentment at the people who recently moved in next door having cut down all the trees on their property. If they don't like living here near the woods and mountains, they should have chosen to live in the city. But here everybody's responsible for their own lawn, their own trash and the town is responsible for the plowing, though out here we aren't exactly first on the list. But everybody pretty much minds their own business, so I guess we're pretty lucky. This house was built in 1990, when only 40% of neighborhoods had to deal this horrific BS.

moniss

(4,274 posts)
8. Around here even in the rural areas
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:49 AM
Apr 2023

they are going with this sort of thing. We've had problems with situations where developers come in and buy up some farm land and create homes with an HOA. Then the members of the HOA start to complain about odors of manure from neighboring farms, equipment operating at night during harvest and planting etc. If they get real aggressive they start to try and get local ordinances passed against the farmers.

There are small communities now who get "development advice" from consultants and they form development districts with their land and they'll sell a building lot to you for cheap money. But the condition is that you have to build within a certain number of weeks, use an "approved builder" and anything you build must meet certain minimum size requirements and have certain "design elements" incorporated into the structure. So basically you end up building their house and not yours and then paying steep HOA fees on top of that. Sometimes people get hit with big "special tax assessments" for the sewer and water improvements that nobody told you the locals were planning to make. The dream home becomes a nightmare and to even get out will mean taking a beating because now the special assessment will be on the books and prospective buyers for your house won't want to have to pay that. So in order to make a deal go you end up shelling out the money just to get out from under the whole thing.

I would just say to the municipality "If it's such a great deal to live here then why can't you build the houses and sell them under a housing authority ordinance/quasi-public entity situation"? The answer of course is that it isn't such a great deal and that's why they have to almost give away the land in order to get people there.

msongs

(67,459 posts)
3. I'm on a condo HOA board. we get along great, everything is above board, and owners
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:00 AM
Apr 2023

are mostly happy except the curmudgeons

moniss

(4,274 posts)
5. I think when it works OK is when you have
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:25 AM
Apr 2023

good reasonable people all around in the situation. But a few, like most things, can turn a situation into a pain.

Rhiannon12866

(206,247 posts)
6. Sounds like John was reporting on abuses in the system,
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:39 AM
Apr 2023

Obviously not everyone is like he described - fortunately.

mitch96

(13,929 posts)
21. Same here, we have a great board after we got rid of a corrupt property mgmt company..
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 02:44 PM
Apr 2023

Outright theft of money in accounts and kickbacks to HOA board members to go along with some shady deals..
Coming from South Florida these kind of shenanigans are standard operating procedure...
Not being able to see the HOA financials is a BIG RED FLAG. You could unknowingly be walking into huge assessments in the near future.
m

LittleGirl

(8,292 posts)
7. In Az
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:42 AM
Apr 2023

We made sure we bought a house that did not have a HOA. I remember a friend of mine that got in trouble because their trim color wasn’t accepted and they were forced to use the same color as the rest of the houses. She called them the beige police! Lol

Another friend got behind her hoa payments when she was unemployed and they sued her. I think she’s still paying it back 10 years later!

Rhiannon12866

(206,247 posts)
9. The neighborhood where I live goes back to the '90s (new for this area) so all we have are
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 06:41 AM
Apr 2023

"Restrictive covenants," which, if I remember, involves rules like no high fences or clothes lines. I wish it also included not cutting down all the trees - this area used to be all woods - and the people who recently bought the house next door cut down every single tree. Same thing with my parents' street, which goes back to the '60s. And the name of the street is "Sylvan" which means "woodsy and rustic."

So I guess we're lucky. I can't imagine being prevented from painting the color you want - though there is this bright purple one I pass on my way home. In my architecture art history class the professor said that colors found in nature are preferable. My house is gray with dark gray shutters and a dark red door - so it's different than others on the street.

That's terrible about your friend, I had no idea that neighborhoods could bully residents like that. John Oliver did a good thing, as usual, warning people about what they could be in for.


LittleGirl

(8,292 posts)
15. I guess they liked the house but not the trees
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 09:15 AM
Apr 2023

That’s expensive to cut all those trees down. I’m one that doesn’t like woodsy areas but many do so that’s a shame. My brother cut down some trees on his property because they left the house without any sunshine so he cut the ones close to the house and left the rest. He planted some more.

mopinko

(70,265 posts)
11. i couldnt live in a condo let alone a place w an hoa.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 07:32 AM
Apr 2023

true story- i used to get chicken feed from a guy who lived in the ‘historic village of long grove’. it’s an old town w a restored downtown, and a lot of history kitch.
the guy was an evangelist of organic food. he lived at the end of a cul de sac that butted to a forest preserve. he got himself a half doz hens.
1st the city came for him, and he fought it. $3000 later, he got the law changed. i mean, pretending you’re an old farm town and no chickens…

then the hoa came for him. he sold his house, his biz, and moved to colo.

mopinko

(70,265 posts)
12. easter bunnies-
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 07:50 AM
Apr 2023

1 of the worst frights of my life-
i have a friend who has a crazy antique store. it’s 3 storefronts, and includes the bsmts.
it’s kind of a maze. so, i’m walking around in the bsmt, i go through w door, turn a corner and come face to face w a doz bunny heads looking up at my from the floor.
nearly died.
i had a gig as the easter bunny once when i was real young, those suits are awful.

Fritz Walter

(4,292 posts)
13. Moved out of a deed-restricted community 20 years ago
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 08:02 AM
Apr 2023

...and into an historic neighborhood in the city. Never looked back!
It's not all sunshine and daffodils, though. Any improvements, additions or even a front-door replacement need prior approval by the city's Historic Preservation Commission (or -- if it's a minor job -- the staff can green-light a project). Sure, the city can impose fines for code violations, but foreclosures and evictions aren't options. Sure, it may be bureaucratic and frustrating, but the historic uniqueness of the neighborhood is protected.

PXR-5

(522 posts)
16. We are moving into an HOA community
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 09:28 AM
Apr 2023

My neighbor bought an old city bus, drained the diesel, brake fluid, transmission oils into the creek. Now they shoot at the bus.

Piles of old appliances on the yard, septic system failed years ago and that now drains over my driveway and stinks.

This is not a rural area, suburban Charlotte, just midsize homes on one acre lots.

I called the EPA, they say it's a local issue.
I called the town council and health department, I have been warned, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!

Now many of my neighbors are shooting their guns off all day long.

House is for sale, but comes in way under Zillow estimate because of the said neighbors.

I now want to live in a neighborhood of angry "Karens" telling people how to live.


TheBlackAdder

(28,226 posts)
17. Sounds like sections of Africa--areas devolved into chaos and people move to fortified communities.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 10:23 AM
Apr 2023

.

They talk about freedoms, and the hatred of government, and then create an environment where people have to live in protected communities and pay for the privilege of live under someone else's rule. Now, instead of a regulated government, they must walk on eggshells with unregulated ones. I've seen my in-law's dealings on the board of a Florida HOA and how it's just a petty group of adults that attract power-hungry people who want to control others. He left partly because of it and lives in a NJ shore town with no HOA.

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cab67

(3,010 posts)
19. There's an angle that wasn't reported here.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 11:14 AM
Apr 2023

A colleague of mine (in another state) lived for 15 years in a neighborhood with no HOA. Then someone - not clear whether it was a new resident - decided to form one.

At first, the entire development was declared part of the HOA. My colleague, along with some other residents, took them to court on the grounds that they didn't want to belong to it - the regulations would require substantial (and expensive) changes to their landscaping. A judge required the HOA to allow homeowners who bought their property before the HOA formed to opt out. It was illegal to have their property retroactively included in an organization without the owners' consent.

But the HOA decided to ignore the ruling and started piling fines up against my colleague, who'd devoted years of hard work and considerable expense cultivating his back yard with native plants and installing ponds with turtles, all disallowed by the HOA. One of his neighbors, who also declined to join the HOA, was fined excessively for his home-made backyard observatory. No amount of "but we don't belong to your bloody HOA" seemed to make a difference. They ended up spending thousands of dollars in legal fees to get the HOA to back off.

In this particular case, the HOA eventually disbanded - but it caused a lot of acrimony before it went away.

I'll never be part of one.

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