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Reanimating Queen Elizabeth, Anne Boleyn, Abraham Lincoln and Others Using Photos and AI. (Original Post) NNadir Dec 2020 OP
Thank You.....very fascinating.... CatMor Dec 2020 #1
I wonder if he actually smiled like this AI thing does...... LeftInTX Dec 2020 #2
Maybe while he was killing millions of people. He was evil. CatMor Dec 2020 #3
my guess gladium et scutum Dec 2020 #5
Reportedly, as evil as Stalin was, he was a master of telling jokes and had a magnificent singing... NNadir Dec 2020 #4
That surprises me .... CatMor Dec 2020 #7
I have a brother who is one of the funniest people I know. NNadir Dec 2020 #8
It's a shame he went that way, what a waste. CatMor Dec 2020 #9
Sociopaths are often charming. tblue37 Dec 2020 #10
He kinda fooled Truman LeftInTX Dec 2020 #11
I would not characterize Truman as having been fooled by Stalin. NNadir Dec 2020 #13
I would have liked to have seen a 'modernization' of Lincoln. All is sinkingfeeling Dec 2020 #6
cool stuff Skittles Dec 2020 #12

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
1. Thank You.....very fascinating....
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 02:32 AM
Dec 2020

Anne Boleyn, Anne of Cleves and Elizabeth I were more attractive than their flat portraits made them look. The horrible Stalin was quite handsome as a young man.

gladium et scutum

(808 posts)
5. my guess
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 07:51 AM
Dec 2020

Stalin was probably the most cold hearted, cruel, vicious leader of a nation in the last 500 years. He is the very personification of evil.

NNadir

(33,582 posts)
4. Reportedly, as evil as Stalin was, he was a master of telling jokes and had a magnificent singing...
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 07:43 AM
Dec 2020

voice.

He may have used these tools in disarming people during his rise to power.

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
7. That surprises me ....
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 09:44 AM
Dec 2020

I associate someone with a good sense of humor as sensitive and sympathetic to the downtrodden.

NNadir

(33,582 posts)
8. I have a brother who is one of the funniest people I know.
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 09:56 AM
Dec 2020

Maybe I should say "knew."

I haven't spoken to him in more than 20 years.

All of my family members who have all cut him off, agree that he is not only funny, but quite charming, talented, and intelligent.

I don't even know if he's alive.

He's very good at setting people up to steal from them, to abuse their trust, and in some cases place them in serious danger.

In reality he is out for one person only, himself.

LeftInTX

(25,705 posts)
11. He kinda fooled Truman
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 03:47 PM
Dec 2020

“I can deal with Stalin. He is honest — but smart as hell,” the 33rd president of the United States wrote in a diary entry dated July 17, 1945, the first day of the Potsdam Conference in Germany.

“I casually mentioned to Stalin that we had a new weapon of unusual destructive force,” Truman said.

Stalin’s reply, according to Truman: He hoped the United States would make “good use of it against the Japanese.”

By many accounts, Truman saw Stalin as a cordial ally.

“I like Stalin,” he wrote in a July 29, 1945, letter to his wife. “He is straightforward, knows what he wants and will compromise when he can’t get it.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/07/17/he-is-honest-but-smart-as-hell-when-truman-met-stalin


I guess he was the guy "you could have a beer with"...aye...as long as it wasn't laced with cyanide!

NNadir

(33,582 posts)
13. I would not characterize Truman as having been fooled by Stalin.
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 11:18 PM
Dec 2020

He met with Molotov shortly after becoming President and dressed him down with such a tone as to make Molotov remark that no one had never been spoken to him like that before whereupon Truman said, "If Stalin kept his promises, he wouldn't be spoken to like that again."

Much criticism has been attached to FDR because of the Yalta agreements, but they do not address the realities of the situation.

The Soviet Union had far more to do with the defeat of Hitler than the Americans or the British and paid a much higher price than the Americans and British to do so. Soviet armies occupied all of Poland, including the Prussian wings later attached to Poland, all of the Baltic States, all of Romania, Bulgaria, and most of what was then Czechoslovakia (Patton held Prague), much of what was then Yugoslavia. The Soviets had millions of men and tens of thousands of tanks, including the T-34, which was the best tank in the world.

The situation at Potsdam was delicate, and Truman was just growing into the job, something he did spectacularly well.

The United States had nuclear weapons, which Stalin knew perfectly well, since the "British" German scientist Klaus Fuchs had been feeding his spies Manhattan Project information throughout the operations at Los Alamos, information that would allow the Soviets to develop a nuclear weapon only a few years after the US did.

The US and Britain, both engaged in war against the Japanese, facing their exhausted nations, simply did not have the strength to now take on the Soviet Union. The occupation of Eastern Europe by Stalin was a fait accompli. Nothing practical could have reversed it, at least not without even greater tragedy.

Even with nuclear weapons, a strong case could be made that the US needed a Soviet declaration of war on Japan to win the war, at least, this was the prevailing opinion in US circles in July of 1945. I don't think modern people can really appreciate the carnage of Iowa Jima and Okinawa, or what the expectation of casualties, Japanese and American for an invasion of the home islands was understood to be. It is probably the case that the US might have won without Soviet help, but the fact is that it wasn't clear at the time.

The US refused Soviet demands to place occupation troops in Japan, although it did allow them to take back the Kurile Islands that Russia had lost in 1905.

In 1948, Truman faced down Stalin in Berlin with the Berlin airlift, because he refused to be intimidated by Stalin. Because the US had nuclear superiority, which it maintained for most of the 20th century, the Soviets were forced to back down, as they would do in 1962 in the Cuban Missile Crisis. His actions in Korea, including the brilliant diplomatic move to make the war a United Nations effort rather than a wholly American effort, while extremely controversial, also were designed to reign in Stalin.

Radzinski, in his post Soviet biography of Stalin, claimed that Stalin was working toward and planning for nuclear war when he died in 1952. Whether this is true or not, Stalin never initiated one, I think because he understood that Truman had his measure.

sinkingfeeling

(51,487 posts)
6. I would have liked to have seen a 'modernization' of Lincoln. All is
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 09:33 AM
Dec 2020

fantastic. Kind of like the moving photos of Harry Potter.

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