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Last edited Mon Dec 21, 2020, 05:03 PM - Edit history (7)
Edited to add: Canada still has transcontinental passenger train service & it is still possible to go from Toronto to Vancouver by train. The last run depicted in the video was merely the last train on the Canadian Pacific Railway. VIA Rail still operates passenger service on the Canadian National route. The end result is that instead of two transcontinental train routes, Canada now has one.
Thought I'd clarify as there might have been some apparent confusion
Good Sunday evening, fellow DU'ers,
Hope everyone is keeping well & safe out there.
For those interested, below is a link to a short 20 minute documentary I found about the very last passenger train to operate on the Canadian Pacific Railway:
It was Jan 14, 1990 & the newly elected Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney & his Conservative party had enacted a series of severe funding cuts to VIA Rail's budget, resulting in draconian cuts to service including it's most famous train - the transcontinental "Canadian' which ran from Toronto to Vancouver and through the majestic Rockies of Banff national park.
It didn't matter that 1/4 of the country's population used VIA Rail.
It didn't matter that the cuts left many remote communities stranded with no other reasonable public transportation alternative - much less an airport.
And it certainly didn't matter that passenger rail received less than 1% of the funding given to other modes - roads, airports, marine terminals, sidewalks, ect - modes that weren't expected to pay their own way much less operate at a profit.
The killing of the train service was a crooked operation and we all knew it. As Calgary Alderman Ron Leigh states in the video, it was done for no other reason than to punish those in Liberal ridings, like Calgary, by removing service through their communities while retaining service in Conservative ridings like Edmonton.
Kind of like a Canadian version of Christie's "bridgegate" - proof that no matter which side of the border you're on, you can't spell "conservative" without "con".
However, as it turned out, at least VIA's Canadian didn't die completely. The train was later put back into service from Toronto to Vancouver, but via a different route, after the old steam heat systems on the cars were converted to electric heating.
So it's still possible today to ride the Canadian, complete with all it's original 1955 vintage rolling stock, across Canada from Toronto to Vancouver - but now passing through the majestic Rockies on the Canadian National route via Jasper National Park instead of the once-fabled Canadian Pacific mainline through Banff National Park.
(For the tourist-still an amazing trip either way, but not so good for the many local communities on the former route that lost their only form of public transportation)
For me, this video is a melancholic reminder of what we lost when the Canadian called for the last time at Thunder Bay and Regina, Calgary and Banff. Hope you find it as interesting as I did.
Best Regards, (and Merry Christmas / Happy Hanukkah / Happy Kwanzaa / Season's Greetings / Happy Festivus to my fellow DU'ers - whichever applies! )
Pete
liberal N proud
(60,338 posts)I remember as a kid, going on a road trip around Superior. We camped a couple of times in Canada, the campgrounds I recall were along that route.
Hiawatha Pete
(1,800 posts)I drove along the north shore of Lake Superior on a road trip across Canada back in 2003. You can still take the train across Canada & though it's been re-routed the scenery is still majestic - my wife & I have taken it several times and plan to again once the situation with Covid is brought under control.
Thanks for checking out my post!
Stuart G
(38,438 posts)Short story...In the 70s I went to Glacier National Park..Incredible.. I was talking to someone there,.... & I said how..." totally incredible" that Glacier National Park was/is. Someone said to me. "You haven't seen anything. Get to Banff and Jasper in Canada".
....So....Yes, I got to Banff and Jasper National Parks in Canada....
.....And they are incredible in a way that Glacier is not. No use in describing it, go there, or look at pictures of Banff and Jasper..
......A couple of incredible lakes surrounded by mountains of breath taking beauty.
Hit link below for pictures of Lake Louise..in Banff National Park... There are 12 pictures at the link below. I have a picture exactly the same, (that I took) as the 11th picture at link..Yes, it is that incredible.
Side note: It is a long way to Banff and Jasper from Glacier. It is worth the trip.
You will need a passport to get into Canada, I think.Yes it is worth getting a passport. They say that these mountains in Banff and Jasper are just as beautiful as Switzerland. I haven't been to Switzerland, but I have been to Canada. Much closerand I suspect just as incredible..
https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=Lake+Lou&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGNI_enUS494US495&q=lake+louise+canada&gs_l=hp..1.0i433i457j0i433j0j0i433i131j0.0.0.0.6522...........0.QO1QF_vQpQI#spf=1608514168141
Hiawatha Pete
(1,800 posts)My wife & I also love Jasper National Park/ We were there just last year in the summer of 2019, by train in our case, we stopped over in Alberta and got a rental car and drove through Jasper & Banff National Parks along the Icefields parkway and stayed at the Banff Springs hotel, before taking the train to Prince Rupert, BC and then by ferry along the inside passage to Vancouver Island.
We like Glacier Park too. Would like to take Amtrak there one day, stopping at either Essex or East Glacier and checking out the Going-to-the-sun road by rental car...
Blue Owl
(50,454 posts)You can even lodge in a refurbished caboose! Although the Inn itself is great too. A real get-away-from-it-all experience...
Hiawatha Pete
(1,800 posts)We passed by the Izaak Walton Inn on Amtrak back in 2016 on the way to Whitefish where we detrained and picked up our rental car to visit Yellowstone National Park, great memories!
captain queeg
(10,221 posts)He told me a story where they stopped at the site of some event, and I think it was the conductor listed on the plaque that had my same name. Don't remember any specifics now.
Hiawatha Pete
(1,800 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 21, 2020, 01:42 AM - Edit history (1)
FYI, the train has since been refurbished & is operating again today from Toronto to Vancouver, but on a different route than the original. Your brother probably rode the train on the 'new' cross-country route from Toronto to Vancouver that goes further north through Edmonton & Jasper, instead of the original route further south via Calgary & Banff.
Still an amazing trip for the tourist either way, but not so good for many local communities on the old route that lost all forms of public transportation.
elleng
(131,028 posts)Hiawatha Pete
(1,800 posts)Blue Owl
(50,454 posts)What a blow to the good people who lived along that line and depended on it, seems criminal to shut it down for no good reason. But then, when have the rich conservatives ever cared about anyone but themselves?
A couple weeks ago I stumbled across this video on YouTube you might find interesting, about VIA's most northerly route:
Season's greetings to you too!
Hiawatha Pete
(1,800 posts)Another one on our bucket list! (The train to Churchill). Because I often took the train to work, I have enough VIA preference points (like air miles) for a free trip. We plan to take a trip to Churchill one year, and go to Vancouver another (the Canadian's new route, like the former one, is still very scenic). Only dilemma is which trip to pay for and which to use my points on. We'll probably wait for the covid situation to be resolved first-i.e. when they put the sleeping cars back on the train. Thanks for the vid, I'm watching it as I type...Happy Holidays!
mike_c
(36,281 posts)I loved train travel as a kid. My family rode the Crescent from Alexandria Virginia to Atlanta Georgia for many years, then transferred to local lines to my grandparents' home in north Georgia. I have one of the station manager's notebooks from that period listing my mother, myself, and my brothers as passengers in the 1960s. I can't recall how it came into my possession. Passed on by someone.
Hiawatha Pete
(1,800 posts)And for checking out my post. I love train stories. My wife and I would like to visit New Orleans sometime and are planning to take Amtrak's Crescent from NY to Louisiana. The original Southern Crescent was quite a notable train and one of the few 'holdout' trains (like the D&RGW's Rio Grande Zephyr) that did not initially join the Amtrak system but rather remained operated by the Southern Railway during most of the 1970's.
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Brother Buzz
(36,449 posts)to soldier on!
Hiawatha Pete
(1,800 posts)and then he's riding a railroad speeder across Canada...
Worried2020
(444 posts).
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The land they got deeded to create the RR is worth billions, if not more - however, the deal was to provide 100 years of passenger service . . .
100 years later - they dropped the passenger service (freight is much more profitable) - we'd been weaned off the RR and seduced into addiction to our gas-gobbling cars . . . - just what the oil barons prayed for.
"Canadian Pacific is a freight rail service provider. Our passenger service is limited to the luxury Royal Canadian Pacific. For regular passenger train service, you may wish to contact VIA Rail at 1-888-842-7245 or via their website at viarail.ca. or contact Amtrak at 1-800-872-7245 or visit their website at www.amtrak.com for rail travel in the USA."
https://www.cpr.ca/en/royal-canadian-pacific
(sigh)
W
Hiawatha Pete
(1,800 posts)...the Canadian and the Atlantic Limited were the only two 'conventional' trains left on the CP timetable, all the other runs being replaced by puny RDC's (rail diesel cars) or cut altogether. As you mentioned, they couldn't get out of the passenger business fast enough. When VIA Rail started making overtures in 1976 to buy their passenger services, their prayers had been answered.
That being said, under VIA the long drop in ridership had finally stopped and was even just starting to increase again. But then the Mulroney PC's came along and with their cuts took great pains to prove that half the number of trains could only carry half the number of passengers.
The train was just too efficient so it had to go.
Worried2020
(444 posts).
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They were a vicious employer . . .
didn't really help my future by being the most aggressive Health and Safety Rep they'd ever encountered - took them 3 years to get rid of me . .
China realizes the benefits of rail - heck, they got over 20,000 kilometres of high-speed rail passenger service- we got zip
China also has a better grip on this virus thing . . .
Maybe we should be paying attention?
W
Hiawatha Pete
(1,800 posts)Good for you for standing your ground when it came to the welfare of your co-workers & shame on CP for forcing you out. I don't think they'd be any less vicious now, not after having Hunter Harrison at the helm (until he passed away recently). I worked at CN as a technician in signals & communications when he was there and they were no better than CP.
I couldn't agree more with you more, China took this thing far more seriously and are doing a lot better than we are . IMO our Federal government is trying but problem is our provinces have too much autonomy in their coronavirus responses. I'm in Ontario where the second wave is turning out to be far worse than the first and fucking Ford still hasn't enacted a state of emergency.
As for passenger rail including high speed rail, every industrialized country in the world including the US (who at least have the Acela in their northeast corridor) is ahead of Canada
Worried2020
(444 posts).
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Ontario-wide lockdown will start Boxing Day, virtual schooling details released
BY NEWS STAFF AND RICHARD SOUTHERNPOSTED DEC 20, 2020 2:46 PM EST
LAST UPDATED DEC 22, 2020 AT 6:00 AM EST
"The Ontario-wide lockdown will start on Boxing Day, Premier Doug Ford has announced.
The move will restrict non-essential retail and prohibit indoor dining right across the province starting at 12:01 a.m. the day after Christmas. The province-wide lockdown will last until January 9, 2021. After that date, restrictions will remain in effect until Jan. 23 for all public health unit regions in Southern Ontario."
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2020/12/20/all-regions-in-ontario-to-enter-lockdown-starting-christmas-eve-source/
video at link
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angstlessk
(11,862 posts)of that railway?
I'm sure Snidely Whiplash will continue to tie damsels, but no train a comin?
Hiawatha Pete
(1,800 posts)There's still freight trains - no shortage of them in fact - so Snidley's still in business...
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)..often times by mere seconds!
Hiawatha Pete
(1,800 posts)As for a 'railway for the people', with multiple routes that served almost every community, only a withered skeleton remains. With just one cross-country route that operates three days a week instead of daily. Lots of oil by rail traffic from the tarsands though, the shareholders must be happy.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Snidely Whiplash is winning after all.
William Seger
(10,779 posts)Hiawatha Pete
(1,800 posts)Thanks for this.