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msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 11:56 AM Apr 2022

Any John Le Carre' Fans here? Just finished reading Silverview..

Anyone else read this last book published posthumously?

It won't be included on the list of his all time greatest, but it was a pleasure (for me) to read. I was delighted to discover yet one more gem he authored. When I read the Afterword by his youngest son Nick Cornwell, I wept with joy and little bit of sorrow but was mostly delighted, no thrilled, Nick's description of his own experience reading his father's works over the span of his life was exactly as my experience. Most particularly with regard to Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy. The audio format narrated by Michael Jayston, of Tinker Taylor is one (of a number of his) I have listened to so many times, I tend to quote lines with mimicry, word for word in cadence and emphasis of particular expressions.

In the film I tend to do the same on cue, cadence, timing, tone. Knowing every scene, is never boring or tiring when i'm in need of a story well written story where the bad guys finally get exposed and the good guys win out.

The rotten apples, Karla's Russian mole (Taylor) at the tippity top of the Circus and must be identified. who only George Smiley is able to uncover and expose.

In this Afterword, Nick Cornwell describes his own listening with the same degree of enjoyment. I felt like I lost an old, life long friend when he passed last year. It was good to read Nick's accounting of his passing and agreement to find an unfinished work and get it published among other things.

In Nick's accounting of a conversation with his father some years ago, David Cornwell (John Le Carre) asks a favor of Nick a commitment, if he should die with a story uncompleted on his desk, would he finish it. Nick promised he would. And will he "carry the flame"? Nick said of course.

Nick Cornwell writes by the name of Nick Harkaway. I'm going to seek out his titles. Have no idea what his writing is like, except for this Afterword which was delightful.

I post this here in the lounge, hoping to find other Le Carre fans who have already read or might be interested in reading Silverview.



















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Any John Le Carre' Fans here? Just finished reading Silverview.. (Original Post) msfiddlestix Apr 2022 OP
Big fan of LeCarre, thanks for posting this... secondwind Apr 2022 #1
Welcome.. msfiddlestix Apr 2022 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Tomconroy Apr 2022 #3
Me! Me! Tomconroy Apr 2022 #4
There is quite a bit of nuance.. but it held my attention all the way through msfiddlestix Apr 2022 #9
I'm a fan - I had seen the TTSS movie but never read his books. walkingman Apr 2022 #5
If you are able to listen to any of his books on audio format, borrow from the library... you'll be msfiddlestix Apr 2022 #10
TTSS comment: note SPOILER if you haven't read/seen it.... CincyDem Apr 2022 #6
Totally! Right?? The first time I think I got it, I remember re-watching msfiddlestix Apr 2022 #11
Spoiler continued. Mark Strong/Colin Firth/Gary Oldman...damn. CincyDem Apr 2022 #13
I've studied that scene so many times, I keep changing my mind as to whether or not Hayden is giving msfiddlestix Apr 2022 #14
Ok, just now watched this scene again from your post. msfiddlestix Apr 2022 #15
I just love that ending. msfiddlestix Apr 2022 #16
From an amazing 2017 interview on NPR: efhmc Apr 2022 #7
I think I heard that. His later or most recent books to me, reflect a most significant msfiddlestix Apr 2022 #12
Fantastic, prescient, interview. GoneOffShore Apr 2022 #18
Scared me then and even scarier now. efhmc Apr 2022 #19
Having read his stuff for years, it always seem like he had a crystal ball. GoneOffShore Apr 2022 #20
Great. Thanks for calming me down. efhmc Apr 2022 #21
Check my signature line - I'm a ray of sunshine. GoneOffShore Apr 2022 #22
One of my favorite authors. (nt) Paladin Apr 2022 #8
I love the Smiley books. Wolf Frankula Apr 2022 #17

Response to msfiddlestix (Original post)

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
4. Me! Me!
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 12:09 PM
Apr 2022

Read them all. Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy and The Honorable Schoolboy get my top votes.
I did read Silverview but think I need to read it again. Missed some nuance.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
9. There is quite a bit of nuance.. but it held my attention all the way through
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:29 PM
Apr 2022

There a bits which I feel I hadn't quite pieced together, though I feel like sometimes certain things like that reflect the real world as they say. Did you read the Afterword in Silverview by any chance?

I have to revisit the Honorable Schoolboy, but Smiley's People, and A Delicate Truth is right up there. I wasn't inclined to read The Mission Song I believe it was titled. But most of the books turned into films were faves. A Most Wanted Man was wonderfully brought to life in film, with Phillip Hoffman... unfortunately that was Hoffman's last film, and he died just before the film was finished. Yet, the ending was brilliantly dramatized, I thought.

Le Carre narrated Agents Running in the Field audio format.

Also the Night Manager was turned into a television series i think for BBC. Brilliant. I caught it on Prime.

A very long list of great treasures to read he gave us.

walkingman

(7,626 posts)
5. I'm a fan - I had seen the TTSS movie but never read his books.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 12:19 PM
Apr 2022

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I will definitely check it out. I love espionage and investigative stories.

I ordered...John le Carré's trilogy, "The Quest for Karla" which includes the complete books - "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy", "The Honorable Schoolboy", and "Smiley's People". I found it a hard read but I hung in there and once I got accustomed to his style of writing and got the scope of the story things went better. At first I was falling asleep a lot. I thought I must have missed a previous book? I goggled it and found this order to read the "George Smiley" books.

Call for the Dead (1961)
A Murder of Quality (1962)
The Spy Who Came in from the Cold (1963)
The Looking Glass War (1965)
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (1974)
The Honourable Schoolboy (1977)
Smiley’s People (1979)
The Secret Pilgrim (1990)
A Legacy of Spies (2017)




msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
10. If you are able to listen to any of his books on audio format, borrow from the library... you'll be
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:37 PM
Apr 2022

transported to a place where the words on the page pop into life when narrated. I'm totally hooked and riveted. There are those moments when I have trouble understanding the pronunciations of certain words and phrasings, just do a play back.

great chronological listing. good reference as reminders to re-read.


thanks!


CincyDem

(6,363 posts)
6. TTSS comment: note SPOILER if you haven't read/seen it....
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 12:30 PM
Apr 2022


Jim Prudeaux's final act, combined with the incredible soundtrack in the final scenes is just priceless. So much said without a word.

Have to add Silverview to the list. Thanks.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
11. Totally! Right?? The first time I think I got it, I remember re-watching
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:48 PM
Apr 2022

in order to get back to the xmas party (which was freaking wild) and check out the wordless glance between Jim and Hayden. gut punch moment.

DAMN!

I had spent a lot of time studying J.P. in the scene of the Budapest street cafe. I didn't appreciate the full breath of the actor's skills in the first viewing. Later after reviewing again, I was just blown away. I guess after learning the importance of his character's role, and certain dynamics in play made me see and appreciate the actor and the character not to mention the director and screen play all the more.


CincyDem

(6,363 posts)
13. Spoiler continued. Mark Strong/Colin Firth/Gary Oldman...damn.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 11:13 PM
Apr 2022

All this talk, I had to go back and watch it - so I thought I'd share. Watching it this time, there's just a little recognition from Bill Haydon as he sees Jim Prideaux with the rifle...like he knows Jim is there to put him out of his misery and he's giving permission. Damn these guys are good.





You want to see a 180...watch Gary Oldman in Slow Horses on AppleTV. He's a MI-5 guy very different from MI-6's George Smiley, that's for sure.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
14. I've studied that scene so many times, I keep changing my mind as to whether or not Hayden is giving
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 11:25 PM
Apr 2022

JP the "nod" to make that shot, or if he really sees him at all. Like it looks like his eyes make contact but then when the shot is fired, Bill acts surprised and stunned. But maybe that's what happens when you take shot in between your eyes and directly into your brain.

That tear from JP. almost can't see it. but it's there.

So are we to conclude there had bee pre-arranged agreement between the two? I don't think so. Hayden couldn't wait to get transported to Moscow.

I'll have to go back and re-read TTSS just for that last bit.







msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
15. Ok, just now watched this scene again from your post.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 11:29 PM
Apr 2022

Hayden doesn't really look stunned and surprised. That shot was so precise he didn't even know what hit him.

brilliantly delivered!

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
16. I just love that ending.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 11:35 PM
Apr 2022

I didn't know about Slow Horses. I don't have Apple Tv, maube I can find it streaming on another app.

thanks for that too!

efhmc

(14,726 posts)
7. From an amazing 2017 interview on NPR:
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 12:35 PM
Apr 2022

"back then, we had a clear philosophy which we thought we were protecting. And it was a notion of the West. It was a notion of individual freedom, of inclusiveness, of tolerance - all of that we called anti-communism. That was really a broad brush because there were many decent people who lived in communist territories who weren't as bad as one might suppose. But now, today, this present time in which these matters are being reconsidered in my novel, we seem to have no direction."

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/28/572625559/novelist-john-le-carr-reflects-on-his-own-legacy-of-spying

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
12. I think I heard that. His later or most recent books to me, reflect a most significant
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:56 PM
Apr 2022

transformation, or evolving perspective. Silverview is certainly a reflection as well as Agent Running in the Field. A Delicate Truth.

Oh and Legacy of Spies cannot forget.

GoneOffShore

(17,340 posts)
18. Fantastic, prescient, interview.
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 04:59 AM
Apr 2022

And scary....

I've always been a fan of Le Carré.

He, along with William Gibson, seem to have an uncanny handle on betrayal, freedom, and culture.

GoneOffShore

(17,340 posts)
22. Check my signature line - I'm a ray of sunshine.
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 05:59 AM
Apr 2022

Though I wish sunshine was predicted for tomorrow across France, because of the election.

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