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democrank

(11,096 posts)
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 11:24 AM Feb 12

Old age pondering

I’m 78. That’s the old age part. The pondering part seems to come in broad swarths now as my mind hovers over decades of living. Success and failure, joy and tragedy, wise choices and stupid mistakes. I think with gratitude about my daughter and son, I honor old friends who have stuck with me no matter what, and occasionally think of the handful of creeps I wish I’d never met.

I have almost no good childhood memories, but I do have some that hold a lesson or remind me of something larger than life. A long time ago I wrote something on DU about a childhood memory of Memorial Day and patriotism, about white gloves and a flag with a brass eagle. The lines of parade observers standing straight made quite an impression on me. It was comforting for me to learn that the chaos at home wasn’t everywhere outside.

My daughter’s recent visit and discussions about her young sons jump-started my return to deep-dive pondering. In my world little things mean a lot. A thank you note, a door held open, help carrying a heavy box, a random act of kindness. I try to believe with all my heart that these examples of civility will continue to be passed on and on and on. I continue to hope that goodness will shine through and hate will be forced over the cliff. I’m not the idealist I used to be, but I’ve certainly seen that “He ain’t heavy, he’s my brother” thing work. Again and again. I don’t mean to ramble, but I must say there are so many “He ain’t heavy” people here at DU. People with compassion, insight, tolerance. People who know what counts.You give me so much hope, not just for today but for tomorrow. I mean it. Thank you.

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planetc

(7,815 posts)
2. I'm a tad older than you, and I've been thinking about memory too.
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 12:58 PM
Feb 12

I turned 81 in January, and when reports came in about apparent memory deficits Mr. Biden had when being questioned by the amazing Mr. Hur, I thought several things. First was: there's strategic memory lapses, and complete blanks. I'm guessing Mr. Biden "suffers" from the first, and maybe occasionally the second. This means I can't explain what I mean by "strategic", but I think you will all understand.

Then I turned my attention to my memory of my life in general, and I can say that my memory's fine. It's too fine when it comes to any uncomfortable, embarrassing, stupid things I've done, or had done to me. Those memories are indelible -- a mild form of PTSD, perhaps. It's a mistake to think that only war veterans suffer from getting things seared onto their brains. Ordinary life can do it too. Meanwhile, a few scenes when I felt fine, at home in my surroundings, ready for the next stretch -- those are still there too. And all my words are there, usually correctly spelled. Mr. Biden has suffered from stuttering, and I'm sure his present speech patterns reflect various strategies to enable him to get to the end of a sentence safely. So he will probably never be the orator that John F. Kennedy was. Joe Biden will not be remembered for his stirring words. But he will be remembered for his stirring actions, sweeping changes to public policy, and his deep and utter loyalty to this country. As for how long he'll live, that's a matter of genetic heritage, and how well he's taken care of the only body he will ever had. No guarantees at our age, but I am convinced that Joe Biden is on a roll, and we'd be stupid as well as ungrateful, to make him leave the table. I will continue to roar through crossword puzzles, and I hope to vote for Mr. Biden in November.

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
7. Biden is backed up by two good women his wife and his Vice President
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 01:45 PM
Feb 12

if they got his back, we can too.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
3. When family fails community can fit the bill.
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 12:59 PM
Feb 12

Many children grow up in tough, chaotic families. It is a terrible reality that robs children of the love and support they need to thrive. Your community example that made such an impression on you in your childhood brought back memories of the community my brother and I felt so at home in. Our school, our community center, our parks, the community events, and the people all gave us a sense of order and belonging in so many ways.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. It made me pause and appreciate it.
Happy Valentine's week to you.

dameatball

(7,398 posts)
5. After 72 years, I understand this post very well. Your words also generated some insightful follow-ups. Thank you.
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 01:33 PM
Feb 12

It always surprises me how vivid some old memories remain. Not all but many. Some visit us unexpectedly and become like old friends. Others, not so much friends as reminders. We know who all of them are. Take care and thanks again for the post.

skip fox

(19,359 posts)
6. As a 77 year old writer, I can say
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 01:44 PM
Feb 12

that you've captured delightful bewilderments of old age and have done so well.

Bumbles

(47 posts)
8. I'm doing a lot of old age pondering at 81, and your comment rang bells for me.
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 02:06 PM
Feb 12

I'm a recently divorced 81-year-old woman whose husband had worsening dementia. After he was driven during the pandemic to visit his daughter from his previous marriage for a seven to ten day stay, I received a letter him announcing he was divorcing me after over thirty years together. I was stunned and frightened, not knowing how I was going to manage on my own, left with nothing from him to support me.

Since, I have found strength and fortitude, resilience and resourcefulness, and most important, I have found that goodness does shine through. I have had to have a lot of work done to an aging house (not to mention an aging body) and have found every person who has done work for me has been polite, kind, generous and only wanting to do the best they could for me. In turn, I meet everyone on an equal level, offer a hand to shake, along with muffins and brownies, and always let each person know how much I appreciate what they've done for me.

Civility has certainly often been lacking, particularly but not only in our politics. If we each do our part, civility will be passed on and on and make the world a better place, bit by bit.

slightlv

(2,820 posts)
9. It's not often I can say this today,
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 02:09 PM
Feb 12

but I'm a bit younger than you (just turned 68). I lived with a needy, narcissistic mother all my life who made my youth not a great thing to go through. I escaped at 18 and went into the Air Force. I'm glad I did... I learned a lot, especially about myself. Like, I don't need or want the extreme structure that's imposed... necessarily... from that organization. But I did learn I had a hard core survivor inside myself. I also learned I have a huge soft heart, as well.

When I was young, I wanted to be a writer. I wrote short stories every day. I rarely let anyone read them. They were like my friends. As a young girl, overweight, not athletic, and very brainy you can imagine I wasn't sitting at the popular girls table! (LOL). One of the worst days of my life was when I came home from school one day to find my mom had found my short story notebook and ripped up all the stories. I never wrote another short story again. Although I did move on to poetry, and kept it hidden at school.

Someone above me mentioned PTSD through our daily lives. I do believe there are things that impact us so much that it does leave us with a form of PTSD. I think many of us, even those of us here at DU, suffer a form of PTSD brought on by trumps term in office. Every time he opens his mouth; every new thing he or his minions seem to get away with just gigs those feelings. I know I never had high blood pressure until he got into office. Somedays, I wonder who'll go first -- him or me! (LOL)

But we who are older have our very livlihoods threatened by him and the gop. I know we skew older here... most of us have been here since bush the younger, at least. I was registered and active back then, but lost everything and had to restart anew here. I don't know how we skew on the economic scale, though I figure there's a lot of us just like me... barely making it with just social security checks and maybe a small annuity making up our entire income. It doesn't leave much for "fun" or any other disposable income. When the gop starts talking changing or getting rid of SS, we know what that means. Most of us were alive before our parents and grandparents had SS. We remember what it was like for them, and for us. Yes, families lived in intergenerational homes because that's the only way grandma and grandpa could live and eat. But that meant less for the nuclear family -- not that anyone beyond us kids complained. Most of went to work in our early teens and earned a pittance per week. But it was enough to buy that magazine we wanted; or to buy a tank of gas.

I remember how grownup I felt when I bought my first "16" magazine -- $.25. And I remember the gas wars with gas at a nickel or a dime a gallon. Fifty cents and my motorcycle had a full tank! I was set. We had red lines we couldn't cross in our behavior, and we'd been taught right from wrong to the point it was internalized forever within us.

I detest Maga. No... "detest" isn't the right word. It isn't strong enough. But I understand that's the world they want around them. It's just a shame they can't understand that world is long gone. It's gone because the people they worship, worship money and greed only. They'll never see nickel a gallon gasoline again. They'll never see a magazine priced at 25 cents, outside a garage sale. And the people around them are only good and kind to those who are within their tribe. Once, it was a truism that you can't legislate morality. I guess these people heard those words and thought, "just watch." and set about to show it false. But you can't force morality, anymore than you can legislate it... though, if they retain any power after the next election, they'll push it for all they're worth.

I miss those old days, too... in some respects. I miss being able to ride a bicycle until late in the evening after dark, and not feel afraid of who's around me. I miss meeting someone new and not having to immediately go on "defensive mode", just in case. But when you're 4'10", 94 pounds, defense is a good mode to stay in! But there are so many new opportunities, new discoveries, new people to make and experience today. We stand on the precipice of progressing forward, or falling back to the stone age, and we'll do it ourselves to ourselves.

Gods, I ramble. Thanks, democrank! (LOL) Love your moniker, btw! I will tell you one thing I hate about today... calling a business and having to go through 30 minutes of robots on the phone before you MIGHT get to a human voice. That's been my day so far.

Blessings to you, your memories, and to all of us here at DU. May we always lift each other up in the hard times, and share in the joy of the good times. I look forward to celebrating with you all in November. And may each kindness you receive be but a pay forward from someone else. "He ain't Heavy," indeed... and that includes our furry friends, too.

Thank you for the trip down memory lane, democrank! Thank you to everyone here for being who I consider "friend". We're a strange bunch, here to weather and shape the strange times in which we find ourselves. I'd just like to know what old Chinese mystic we so offended!

Attilatheblond

(2,189 posts)
12. A bit older than you, but we could have grown up on the same block.
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 03:30 PM
Feb 12

My mom was mostly encouraging and not really the problem I had growing up. Now, her dad, on the other hand. Yep, inter-generational household after my parent's divorced and grandfather became a pretty helpless widower. It was bad cuz I looked a bit more like my dad, whom Grandpa hated, and I stood my ground at age 3 when GP wouldn't let Dad in the house on a cold, snowy night after the Church Christmas program. GP never forgave me for standing outside on the porch instead of going inside as ordered. Some of my own PTSD was born of failure to do anything pleasing to my grandfather, no matter how hard I tried, while still understanding that I had to be me and had done nothing wrong to earn his enmity.

I wrote too. But never tried to take it outside into the world beyond friends and teachers, despite those friends/teachers encouraging that direction.

Pretty OK, quiet life. Family was most important. Really horrible betrayal & divorce, worked like hell on me to get healed. Realized a friend was correct, my ex somehow knew I was evolving and he was incapable of growing. Met the best man ever and lived so happily until I was widowed 7 years ago. I miss his eyes, his laugh, and the feeling of his hand holding mine. I am lonely, I guess, but it's really OK.

Lately, every night brings a dream or two of people in my past, some just on the fringe of my life, but people who I had appreciated, even loved as friends, as I love easily and have always been grateful for the people in my life, even if they were just there for a short while, and even if they vexed me greatly. We often learn the most from the ones who piss us off more often. 'OK, what am I to learn from this annoying, or stupid, or abusive person? I need to hurry up and learn the lesson they bring so they will move out of my life and make room for new people.' Yes, I really think that way and it has not failed me in the long run. I can look back on the jerks and be somewhat grateful even for them.

Maybe the dreams, every night a visit with someone from my past, but in situations that are not memories, are my mind's way of doing an inventory, of 'seeing' them each again as I know my life will end not long from now. Maybe your life doesn't 'flash before your eyes' if you are lucky. Maybe your mind lets you play and make new memories with people from your past. Maybe, if you are very very lucky, it will take some time and bring better understanding of how it all binds together.

Forgetful? Yes, sometimes, and it scares me as the sister 10 years my senior recently died after many years of increasingly horrible dementia. I don't want to go that way. Daughter reminds me forgetting little things is normal and even 20 year olds do it often. She says "Stress takes it's toll, but your mind is fine, Mom". LOL I also notice her watching me carefully and in a manner she thinks I don't see. Gotta love a daughter like that more and more every day.

I appreciate your words, slightlv, and understand them at a deep level. A bit older than you, but we could have grown up in the same 'hood. And look, my new friend, we survived! I celebrate all of us who learned, loved, lost, loved more, and survived.

slightlv

(2,820 posts)
13. I've been having the same type of dreams lately!
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 04:13 PM
Feb 12

And it is like you say... a visit from the past. Most really nice and pleasant. In fact, something to look forward to, in my mind.

Night before last, I spent one dream getting "caught up" on the newest version of "Blackboard"... the program I used to create and publish training material for DoD. And I found the whole dream... comforting. I was back in my element, even though there were changes in the program I'd used for so long. Are those changes really there? I dunno... but I'm curious, to say the least! (LOL)

And oh, do I understand about the divorce! My ex even had my German Shepherd dog euthanized... knowing full well I wanted him with me when I got my own place. There are very few things you can do to me that will put you on my "forget you" list... but hurting family or critters is number one. He did both in one act. He also didn't want me to go to college. With 4 year in tow, I kept going and I graduated. It may not have been with the highest GPA I'd ever had, but I achieved it despite him.

I'm so sorry for the loss of your husband. There's four years that separate me and mine. They're turning out to be important as we get older. I try hard to hang on to what marbles I have left so I can make up for what he's lost. He can be infuriating at times. But we've been together now for over 35 years. Through thick and thin, right? He's always been there for me - my greatest cheerleader. Why and how in the world could I turn my back on him now? He's still among the most intelligent men I know, even if he does get "Direct X" and Direct TV" mixed up! Because I do have more marbles clattering around right now, it's up to me to figure out how to simplify life so we can live as least stressed as possible. He'll do whatever I say needs to be done, and is grateful for the help. He's not just my husband. From the time we first met through today and into what future we have, he is my best friend. So I know the pain you feel. And the admission of that pain coming closer to me keeps me up some nights.

Old age really isn't for the feint of heart. It takes strength and courage to keep going every day. Yes... we're survivors! And we know enough to stop and look at the sky, or smell a flower, or pet a cat just for the sheer pleasure of the experience. These are the types of things that some of our young, in their quest for the latest thing digital, are losing out on. It's up to us to teach them the importance of the impermanence of life.

Attilatheblond

(2,189 posts)
15. to be understood is a great gift indeed.
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 04:33 PM
Feb 12

I love you for your gift of understanding. Have many more sweet dreams!

slightlv

(2,820 posts)
14. BTW...
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 04:18 PM
Feb 12

I just wanted to tell you I love your screen name! It sounds similar to how I came up with my old name, Shyra. Back in my 20's, long before the Internet, but in the time of BBS's (of which I created one and was Sysop), I wanted to be seen as more assertive. Not aggressive, just assertive. Women and computers were not a thing back then, and we often were blown off as fluff... just as we are today on so many things. So, I created an alternative name to use. RA - the Egyptian Sun god. But I didn't want all the aggressive male characteristics that go with that, so I did the "SHY" in front of it to create Shyra. There are some people around today that don't know me by any other name! (LOL) If you ever go on the wayback machine and look up Tapestry BBS on the old FidoNet nodes, that's me!

Attilatheblond

(2,189 posts)
16. LOL My screen name was a nickname given me by someone who was a powerful new friend
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 04:42 PM
Feb 12

at the time I most needed to make new friends to help me grow. He was another 'big brother' to me and one of the few people who ever actually did know me and most, if not all, of my facets. He said my nick name with a brotherly pride that makes me happy to wear the name online now.

Funny you should mention assertive vs aggressive. During the healing times, I took a class in assertiveness and it really helped me unleash Attila the Blond! LOL. I learned how to take command of my own needs instead of starving emotionally while feeding others. There were some people in the class who were there under court orders, as they had to learn how to tame their aggression and learn assertiveness as a better way to handle conflict. I had to learn assertiveness as a survival skill as giving too much for too long had damned near killed me.

The friend who 'named me' was someone from a peer support group. We both went on to take training in facilitating such groups and worked together on a very rewarding child/parent peer group to support families going thru divorce. It was a full circle thing done in 2 years and it made me worthy of the man I latter met and married.


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