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What's going on here? (Original Post) CTyankee Feb 27 OP
Interesting images but I only see 4. 2naSalit Feb 27 #1
sorry my theme was not developed better... CTyankee Feb 27 #2
I didn't know the work... 2naSalit Feb 27 #3
Well, I used to live in Damascus, Virginia and I never saw anything like this. dameatball Feb 27 #4
Dramatic tenebrism in 1,2,4, (Caravaggio, Sargeant, David) ... Donkees Feb 28 #5
I would have said "chiarascuro" which slightly predated "tenebrism" but I see your point and agree. CTyankee Feb 28 #9
''Caravaggio was so much of an innovator, he's come to be regarded as the founder of tenebrism.'' Donkees Feb 28 #10
excellent references, I would say that tenebrism fast followed on from chiarascuro and tenebrism is that moment when CTyankee Feb 28 #11
The Tenebrae ritual was rooted in the gospel account of darkness overtaking the earth during the crucifixion Donkees Feb 29 #12
Wonderful, thank you! So my guess on Tenebrae is basically true. Your further explanation of the religious roots of the CTyankee Feb 29 #13
Yes, it's an immersive sensory experience driving emotional memory, an art form. Donkees Feb 29 #14
The second one is obviously a woman being ignored as she tries to fold a fitted sheet! Floyd R. Turbo Feb 28 #6
"El Jaleo" by John Singer Sargeant is no. 2. Saw that one at the Smithsonian several years ago. nt eppur_se_muova Feb 28 #7
No, the painting is at the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum in Boston. Maybe you are thinking of another Sargent work? CTyankee Feb 28 #8
This was a limited (one-month ?) special public display. A family friend drove up to DC just to see it. eppur_se_muova Feb 29 #15
There was also a study painting for the dancer at the Smithsonian from a private collection Donkees Feb 29 #16
Oh, that must have been wonderful! CTyankee Feb 29 #17

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
1. Interesting images but I only see 4.
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 07:17 PM
Feb 27

First off, only artists' names come to mind at first, I guess that's my starting point for what the painting might be about.

The dancer, the second one looks like it might be Degas, the one after that might be Toulouse-Lautrec, but don't quote me on that. The common theme looks like the idea of partying and enjoying things, perhaps too much.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
2. sorry my theme was not developed better...
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 08:00 PM
Feb 27

the first is by Caravaggio. It's the conversion of St. Paul on the Way to Damascus.

I didn't quite think this one through but it is great art and nice to look at...

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
3. I didn't know the work...
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 08:04 PM
Feb 27

But if it was going to fit in with the theme I was guessing at, he could have been drunk or something and landed on the ground. I don't know. I have actually had a a bit of exposure to fine art but it's been a while, I remember some of my favorites. I feel inadequate when it comes to identification games.

dameatball

(7,398 posts)
4. Well, I used to live in Damascus, Virginia and I never saw anything like this.
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 08:26 PM
Feb 27

Although the annual "Trail Days" could get a little interesting.

Donkees

(31,418 posts)
5. Dramatic tenebrism in 1,2,4, (Caravaggio, Sargeant, David) ...
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 08:59 AM
Feb 28

The Manet section you chose to highlight places focus on the reflections of the whole painting (the barmaid's face and man's face in two of the bottles). His signature and date is on one of the other bottles.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
9. I would have said "chiarascuro" which slightly predated "tenebrism" but I see your point and agree.
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 01:03 PM
Feb 28

Donkees

(31,418 posts)
10. ''Caravaggio was so much of an innovator, he's come to be regarded as the founder of tenebrism.''
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 01:14 PM
Feb 28
https://www.studiobinder.com/blog/what-is-tenebrism-art-definition/

You may not think of austere Neoclassicism as connected to the bombastic Baroque. But scholars have called the Death of Marat David’s “most intense masterpiece of Caravaggism.”

As a student, David was likely very inspired by Caravaggio, who was not the most fashionable reference in France at the time. With its draped arm and stigmata-like, bloodless wound, the figure in Death of Marat echoes Caravaggio’s Entombment of Christ (1603). Marat’s dramatically lit, slack-jawed face also echoes Caravaggio’s Mary Magdalen in Ecstasy (1610).

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/jacques-louis-david-death-of-marat-3-facts-1894240


El Jaleo is painted in a monochromatic palette, except for the orange and crimson of the other dancers (seated extreme right), some small touches of orange at left (candle on chair and palm-prints on back wall) and gold highlighting on the hanging guitars. In keeping with his close affinity for the Spanish painting of Diego Velazquez (1599-1660) and Francisco Goya (1746-1828), as well as the dramatic tenebrism used by Baroque masters like Rembrandt (1606-69), Sargent demonstrates his virtuoso handling of dark tones (compare the solid black of the musicians' hats with the graduated greys of the dancer's shawl), while at the same time contrasting the blacks with the white tones of the dancer's dress, caught in the bright footlights.

http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/paintings-analysis/el-jaleo.htm


Chiaroscuro, tenebrism, and sfumato were used by artists for different purposes: to create an air of mystery, private intimacy, psychological complexity, to evoke nightmarish realities, to produce haunting dramatic encounters, or to suggest the metaphorical battle of light and darkness playing out in a variety of contexts.

https://www.theartstory.org/definition/chiaroscuro-tenebrism-sfumato/

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
11. excellent references, I would say that tenebrism fast followed on from chiarascuro and tenebrism is that moment when
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 01:39 PM
Feb 28

at the end of the day it suddenly turns to dark. Altho I am not religious, I do know there was such a thing as Tenebrism services during Holy Week, referring to Christ's agony on Good Friday, knowing what was coming.

Someone who knows more than I do, please correct me on this...

Donkees

(31,418 posts)
12. The Tenebrae ritual was rooted in the gospel account of darkness overtaking the earth during the crucifixion
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 06:10 AM
Feb 29
The crucifixion darkness is an event described in the synoptic gospels in which the sky becomes dark in daytime during the crucifixion of Jesus for roughly three hours.

Starting from the Enlightenment, it has become a common view in modern scholarship to read the account in the synoptic gospels as a literary creation of the gospel writers, intended to heighten the importance of what they saw as a theologically significant event.

The image of darkness over the land would have been understood by ancient readers as a cosmic sign, a typical element in the description of the death of kings and other major figures by writers such as Philo, Dio Cassius, Virgil, Plutarch and Josephus.

Many writers have adopted an intertextual approach, looking at earlier texts from which the author of the Mark Gospel may have drawn. In particular, parallels have often been noted between the darkness and the prediction in the Book of Amos of an earthquake in the reign of King Uzziah of Judah: "On that day, says the Lord God, I will make the sun go down at noon, and darken the earth in broad daylight".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_darkness


Tenebrae ritual: The strepitus, Latin for "great noise", made by slamming a book shut, banging a hymnal or breviary against the pew, or stomping on the floor, symbolizes the earthquake that followed Christ's death.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
13. Wonderful, thank you! So my guess on Tenebrae is basically true. Your further explanation of the religious roots of the
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 07:31 AM
Feb 29

word is very helpful.

Donkees

(31,418 posts)
14. Yes, it's an immersive sensory experience driving emotional memory, an art form.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 08:11 AM
Feb 29

It varies by denomination. Here is an excerpt from Trinity Church Wall Street, NYC service from 2022:

Tenebrae at Trinity begins with a kind of candelabra, called a hearse, holding fifteen candles. The series of readings, hymns, and meditations will include music from Purcell, Poulenc, Bruckner, and Monteverdi; poetry by Mary Oliver and Madeleine L’Engle; prayers from the late South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu; and meditations from Wendell Berry, Thomas Merton and Barbara Brown Taylor.

As we meditate on Christ’s journey to the cross in poem, anthem, song, and story, one by one the candles and other lights in the church will be extinguished until only a single candle, considered a symbol of our Lord, remains. Toward the end of the service this candle is hidden, suggesting the apparent victory of the forces of evil. At the very end, a loud noise is made (symbolizing the earthquake at the time of the Resurrection— Matthew 28: 2), the hidden candle is restored to its place, and by its light all depart in silence.



https://trinitywallstreet.org/stories-news/tenebrae-shadows-and-darkness-holy-week

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
8. No, the painting is at the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum in Boston. Maybe you are thinking of another Sargent work?
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 12:53 PM
Feb 28

eppur_se_muova

(36,269 posts)
15. This was a limited (one-month ?) special public display. A family friend drove up to DC just to see it.
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 10:59 AM
Feb 29

Nope, no mistaking that painting for anything else!

Donkees

(31,418 posts)
16. There was also a study painting for the dancer at the Smithsonian from a private collection
Thu Feb 29, 2024, 11:34 AM
Feb 29

STUDY

The very large painting at the Smithsonian’s American Art Museum in Washington, shown here on the right, is actually a study for the dancer in El Jaleo although I think most people who see it think it works very well as its own painting.

https://redtreetimes.com/tag/john-singer-sargent/


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