For those who are piano keyboard experts, when did they stop using the traditional MIDI "In and Out" ports?

[Polybius]

It seems all the new ones switched to USB MIDI, but I need one with the two MIDI "In and Out" ports. So, what year did they last make them with those ports? Because those are the only ones I have use for.

[appmanga]

1. I don't know the answer to when they stopped making them...

...and I'm not an expert, but I'm wondering why you specifically need a keyboard with MIDI In and Out?

[Polybius]

2. I have a computer with built-in MIDI In and Out ports, and it is still viable

Yes, I would like to use the keyboard with my laptop/iPad as well, but I also need the MIDI ports. Up until recently, every keyboard had them.

[appmanga]

3. I don't do a lot of MIDI these days...

...but I thought there are adapters.

[Polybius]

4. I'm asking about that on FB right now

Surprisingly, Google was no help in finding out when they were discontinued.

[emulatorloo]

10. You can still get keyboards w MIDI, they haven't been "discontinued."

I suggest you contact a knowledgeable music dealer like Sweetwater Sound rather than surveying people on Facebook.

[Polybius]

12. I'm not surveying people on Facebook

I just happened to check out a few models and none of them had them. Glad to know that I just got unlucky. I'll keep looking.

[sakabatou]

5. Don't know. My keyboard still has them

Though it's over 15 years old now

[EarlG]

6. Would something like this do the trick if you can only find USB keyboards?

https://www.amazon.com/CAMOLA-Speed-Converter-Interface-UMH-21/dp/B09S5YC2Z9/ref=sr_1_13?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ms3hKkHNewBET-HWusmgZm01cwJzqILRiKnxOoSbYWjwywwELzg7ArchUJGgiPlnHENEdt2R8-RYat5UJSQaxgesVfqOWZuskqcgS6zrk1j54sL1KVfO0BVv13jjvJQS2rM5LYAQ5e1uCd8sAvcYZx_AXXvnZyVLp0aDzlnnr60juFP0gwTcJPbf6MJ92moemMBKM99H75rrktU7RA93-TRGC-fQSBoXghGEP09j2QtIWxCNoJtP-m_h3ELtJf69cjIRnrfUTl9shLqZSpwDIx0CSCCBEb3Z9jZLQOO9sfM.KK3x1RSP_fY-n6JuUkc-ULN8EgCDe1kc81BxGKei_Lw&dib_tag=se&keywords=usb%2Bto%2Bmidi&qid=1710730845&sr=8-13&th=1

[Polybius]

7. Possibly, although it adds another power cord (I already have all 12 used on my power strip)

On a Facebook Group, someone mentioned that it will probably give lag, but I have no idea if that's true or not.

[emulatorloo]

11. You could buy a second power-strip then.

[Polybius]

13. A little weary of that

There's already two 12 ports and an a/c unit on this fuse.

[LudwigPastorius]

8. Yeah, I'm kind of bumming about that too.

I'd like to buy a controller, but not spend thousands on it. The only ones that still have MIDI ports are pro models.

I also don't know when, but companies started using USB because it is faster and, presumably cheaper. The only problem is that you can't connect directly from keyboard to keyboard with USB. You have to go through a host device.

[eppur_se_muova]

9. Time to Google for something like "MIDI in-out USB adapter converter" ...

https://www.amazon.com/SANOXY-Cable-Converter-Keyboard-New-Release/dp/B00VQZ1YM6

Whenever a new standard is introduced, there's usually an adapter.

[JoseBalow]

14. Ah, the good ol' days

[Earth-shine]

16. I still use a Creative external USB Soundblaster box. It's 12 years old. It will play, but not record under Win 11.

It sounds great. True Hifi.

[JoseBalow]

17. You could probably get it to work using a VM

if you really need it to record, but the driver hunt would make it too daunting a project for me.

[Earth-shine]

20. VM? Interesting idea. I think it could cause latencies.

I gave up on drivers for Win 11. Creative doesn't have them.

Twelve years ago, I bought it to make recordings. Unlike direct computer ports, an external USB box does not add any electrical noise to the signal.

Instead, I have a dozen or so different ways to do this, including using it with a Win 8 laptop. Easy!

Thanks.

[rogerballard]

15. I was a MIDI addict...

Never had the ports but good speakers, I played them all the time when I got my first computer. My first computer came in a cow box. Tons of midi sites back then.

[OldBaldy1701E]

18. When they realized that they could make much more money by removing that option

So that you have to buy new stuff to keep your old stuff working. I am dealing with this right now. My newest Mac does not have an AUX input. All of the old ones did. Why? They want me to buy a connector to patch those two things together. I am cheating I the fact that I have an old mixer that outputs in MIC< so I can plug that into my MIC input on the Mac. It isn't stereo, but I can still input other units and multiple mics.

To the last, I will grapple with thee... (freaking tech company owners)

[ProfessorGAC]

19. Many Still Use That Port

Korg does.
Here's an example.
https://www.sweetwater.com/c512--Key_Workstations?highlight=PA5X61&mrkgadid=&mrkgcl=28&mrkgen=&mrkgbflag=&mrkgcat=&acctid=21700000001645388&dskeywordid=&lid=58700008506368836&dsproductgroupid=&product_id=PA5X61&prodctry=US&prodlang=en&channel=online&storeid=&device=m&network=x&matchtype=&adpos=largenumber&locationid=9021580&creative=&targetid=&campaignid=20442635674&awsearchcpc=&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwzN-vBhAkEiwAYiO7oF0HSqMpyL5N7DsgBg-YQ63tsZw2OzwbY9VhhJym-awWUD3HRjICCRoCxykQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Click on the picture & scroll through the different pic angles until you see the back panel. Those are clearly conventional MIDI ports.
It's not of matter of when it seems; it may be a matter of manufacturer.