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wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 07:08 AM Jun 2013

My long, rambling, insightful and ultimately positive review of Man of Steel

By midweek I was getting worried. Even though I've read dozens of glowing positive reviews of Man of Steel, there are also these annoying negative ones that had me doubting whether I'd love this movie or not. It reminds me of last year's election. There was a point - a two or three day window in the waning weeks of the 2012 Presidential race - where I worried about the outcome. The constant media coverage of the Romney campaign's confidence and their steady drumbeat about skewed polls had an affect on me. Each morning I'd check the news and the latest polls to see if there was really any movement Romney's way. And all this week I've checked the latest Rotten Tomatoes score for Man of Steel that has hovered around 60% fresh and think to myself how ironic that Superman Returns finished with a score 16 percent higher than this. Man of Steel is supposed to be the movie we all wanted. It's the Superman movie where he punches people and acts all manly - not the sensitive version in Superman Returns. Bryan Singer was dissed. People said his Superman tried to act too much like Christopher Reeve and the film paid too much attention to the Donnerverse. They said it wasn't action-packed enough. People disparage that movie like it's the worst thing ever filmed yet there is sits - 16% fresher than this new Superman film - the one we all really supposedly wanted seven years ago.

Singer must be smiling right now.

Yes, I enjoyed Superman Returns. Apparently more people liked it than will admit to it. It's box office take was higher than Batman Begins yet the Dark Knight got sequels. The big blue boy scout didn't. Why? Warners wanted more for Superman - more success, more money and more respect. Even though Batman is the more popular character of the two, Warners wants Superman to be their franchise quarterback. Superman Returns threw touchdowns and won the game but didn't run up the score. For that, the character was benched for seven years.

Well, he's been put back into the game and damn if he isn't throwing touchdown bombs right and left. Reviews by the type of people I generally trust on these types of movies, people who live and breathe superhero, science fiction and action/adventure movies love this incarnation of the Last Son of Krypton. So why aren't some other reviewers convinced? I told you at the beginning of this review that I was getting worried seeing the negative reviews come in on Rotten Tomatoes. Being that Superman is my favorite fictional character, I realize a poor showing at the box office might doom the Man of Steel to the Phantom Zone for Zod knows how long, so I examined the reviewers a little more closely. Like a political operative digging up dirt on a candidate, my opposition research skills kicked into overdrive and here's what I found:

Many of these reviewers hate every movie they see unless it's some obscure low budget film festival flick few others will ever even notice. Some of them despise reboots and big bold action movies. They're nitpickers, focusing on some perceived minor weakness and basing their entire opinion of the movie on that. And one thing a lot of the negative reviews have in common are crushes on Christopher Reeve. They piss on that 1978 tree like a dog marking his territory and say, "how dare you try to take Christopher Reeve's place!" One reviewer even faulted Henry Cavill for not having the same pretty smile as Reeve!

Come on, people. Reeve was a great actor and an even greater human being but we have to move on. Critics panned Superman Returns for paying too much homage to the Donnerverse and now they're trashing Man of Steel for not giving enough props to the Reeve-era films.

All of this got me thinking - do we pay too much attention to what film critics think? If someone gets paid to spout their opinions, does that make their opinion more valid than yours or mine? How many movies that you thoroughly enjoyed were rated less than stellar by film critics? Michael Keaton's Batman shattered box office records at the time yet only has a 70% fresh rating at Rotten Tomatoes. One of the biggest freaking movies of all time, Avatar, finished up with just 83% freshness.

So as they say in politics, you should make your opinion known at the ballot box. And the world will. Just as I did last night. And I must say, Man of Steel is the best superhero movie ever made. Seriously.

There are no cartoonish caricatures, no wry Tony Stark-like scoundrel humor, no safe territory where you never lose sight of the fact you're sitting in a theater. Man of Steel poses the very serious question "what if Superman was real in this post 9/11 world and the threats he's facing in this film are just as real?" Scary thought.

There are touching sensitive moments between father(s) and son. It explores questions of whether we should look to a savior for redemption. It's a beacon for every kid who has ever felt odd or different.

I remember when the movie was announced and people groaned over yet another origin story. I did, too. But the Krypton we see in Man of Steel is unlike any alien world we've seen. There is a new twist on it as well.

Man of Steel explores Superman mythos only the most loyal readers of his comic adventures are aware of. It updates many of them. Often, we think we know what's coming but instead are given a radical detour.

And even though the final destructive grudge match between him and General Zod might linger about 10 minutes longer than it should (a complaint many critics have), it in no way ruins the movie up to that point.

If you like Superhero movies, see this one. Don't let the jaded critics who still carry a torch for Chris Reeve keep you away.

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My long, rambling, insightful and ultimately positive review of Man of Steel (Original Post) wyldwolf Jun 2013 OP
I'll check it out. Thanks for your review. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #1
Thanks for the refreshing review lunatica Jun 2013 #2
I'm Watching it Tonight! Xyzse Jun 2013 #3
forget the political/policy debates on DU, the fan debates on this movie are epic by DU standards wyldwolf Jun 2013 #4
Really? Xyzse Jun 2013 #5
I just saw a forum discussion where someone who'd never seen the 1978 Reeve movie... wyldwolf Jun 2013 #6
Dang... Xyzse Jun 2013 #7
I used to be a huge comic book fan NewJeffCT Jun 2013 #16
Oh, one question... Xyzse Jun 2013 #8
Well... wyldwolf Jun 2013 #9
Augh you!!! Xyzse Jun 2013 #10
Hi Ho Silver wyldwolf Jun 2013 #11
Cool! You just saved me a good 15 minutes Xyzse Jun 2013 #12
Hmm, good review Broken_Hero Jun 2013 #13
I just saw this movie this morning, and thought it was good. (spoilers herein) kentauros Jun 2013 #14
I agree with everything you say and...(maybe spoiler-ish) Javaman Jun 2013 #20
Good analysis :) kentauros Jun 2013 #22
All good points. And yes, IMDB boards are filled with the insane libertarians. Javaman Jun 2013 #23
I seem to recall there being an alternate-universe Nazi version. kentauros Jun 2013 #24
Holy Cow! Thanks for the link! Javaman Jun 2013 #26
Yeah, it's a gold mine! :) kentauros Jun 2013 #27
Oh! Look at this: kentauros Jun 2013 #25
The cover art for the 3 comics are amazing. They really capture the feel and the times. Javaman Jun 2013 #28
Kudos to Kevin Costner in a very similiar role to his Field Of Dreams role except here he is the dad graham4anything Jun 2013 #15
I've seen radically different reviews on the movie NewJeffCT Jun 2013 #17
So I saw the movie. I enjoyed it but.... --SPOILER ALERT-- Xyzse Jun 2013 #18
I saw it too this weekend... Javaman Jun 2013 #19
I hate Superman (spoilers) TrogL Jun 2013 #21
great post wyldwolf Jun 2013 #29
I loved it. First time they got Superman right. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #30
I saw it last night and I liked it AmyDeLune Jun 2013 #31
Mixed emotions ChazII Jun 2013 #32

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
2. Thanks for the refreshing review
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 07:50 AM
Jun 2013

It actually makes me want to see it.

I love the comic book movie genre now. CGI rocks! Finally movies that do comic books justice.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
3. I'm Watching it Tonight!
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 10:07 AM
Jun 2013

I actually liked Superman Returns, and I saw it with my older sister who liked it far more than I did.

Though you're right, it did make money, more so than the first Nolan Batman.
I still feel that Brandon Routh got hosed for something not his fault. He is a decent actor, though I did not like Dlyan Dog(That was spectacularly bad).

So, thanks for your review. I am just happy to note that the special effects from the trailer showed things that I would expect from Dragon Ball Z. You know, things like getting thrown to a building and creating a crater. So even just for the effects, I am there.

Besides, I watch superhero movies out of principle.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
4. forget the political/policy debates on DU, the fan debates on this movie are epic by DU standards
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 10:35 AM
Jun 2013

Man of Steel is clearly the most divisive thing since Obama/Hillary.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
5. Really?
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 11:13 AM
Jun 2013

Heh, I mean, I don't know how I would like it, so I would reserve judgement till after the movie.

Since it is Superman, my reaction range would probably be set somewhere in between:

1 - Acceptance of a Superman movie - Meaning, I would probably feel that it could have been better, but this is the best they can do at this point in time.
2 - This was good - They tweaked the story, but it survives its own logic test. Meaning, it is consistent in how their world works.
3 - Awesome - How I feel about the new Spiderman movie. A revamp which produces a new twist on the mythos and did it well.

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I mean, I've seen some really crappy movies. This is not like Dragon Wars or the Hollywood Dragon Ball which I lambasted to no end. ((Word of Warning, any movie with the word "Dragon" without Bruce Lee is a mountain of carp))

It can't be that bad, and I will watch it out of principle. I am more excited about the Wolverine movie though for some reason. Even if the effects look kinda cheesy.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
6. I just saw a forum discussion where someone who'd never seen the 1978 Reeve movie...
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 11:27 AM
Jun 2013

... said, "what's the big deal about it?"

He then posted a lengthy list of his issues with it, ultimately concluding the only thing it had going for it was Reeve LOOKED like Superman. People tore into him like DUers would if you posted Republican talking points.

There are just some who don't want to see any Superman movie succeed because of their nostalgia for Christopher Reeve.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
7. Dang...
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 11:38 AM
Jun 2013

You may be right.

I am ambivalent about casting. I did like Routh though and not sure how Cavill will do.
Now that I think about it, I can't see Routh doing rough action scenes, which I can with Cavill, so this should be interesting.

They have a much better Lois Lane, I mean Kate Bosworth is pretty, but I can't see her as a Lois Lane. She is too soft.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
16. I used to be a huge comic book fan
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 05:17 PM
Jun 2013

and I hated the first Superman movie with Christopher Reeve. However, I thought Superman 2 with General Zod, Ursa and that big Doofus guy was much better.

I also disliked Superman Returns a few years back with Brandon Routh, but didn't hate it.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
8. Oh, one question...
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 11:43 AM
Jun 2013

Should I stay till the end of the credits?
You don't have to describe anything, but I am always interested to see if there is something after the credits of a movie.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
9. Well...
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 12:08 PM
Jun 2013

... there's the really cryptic scene of a tall statuesque brunette, almost a silhouette, facing someone who looks like a queen. The 'queen' says something about the violence they've just witnessed being cause to rejoin man's world... but I was real sleepy at the point (it was past 2AM) so I didn't pay much attention.
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Nah, just kidding. Although I have heard there is an extended preview of the Lone Ranger afterwards.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
10. Augh you!!!
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 12:17 PM
Jun 2013

I mean, they mention his current flame Gina Carano... Who is just plain hot and amazing.

Sadly, I am not interested in the Lone Ranger at its current incarnation.

Oh wait, are you serious?

Broken_Hero

(59,305 posts)
13. Hmm, good review
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 12:14 AM
Jun 2013

my take....

Its a Justice League animated episode brought to the big screen in live action, and as a Superman homer, I'm glad they finally brought the fucking boom. Superman is an alien, his origins are very Sci Fi, and its about time they really focus on that aspect, as well as the action sequences.

If I wasn't a homer of the Chris Reeves flicks, I'd probably rate this as the best Superman film.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
14. I just saw this movie this morning, and thought it was good. (spoilers herein)
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:57 PM
Jun 2013

I don't think it's the greatest superhero movie ever, but I don't tend to rate them all within my memories of what I've seen and liked. I did find Thor to be great, what with Kenneth Branagh's direction lending some Shakespearian elements to the overall story. Even so, it was still "comic book" in general feel, for the most part. This Superman and Nolan's Batman have a more real-world feel to them, like they're plausible (at least for Batman, anyway.)

However. One thing that came to mind while I was watching this Superman was remembering the stories from the three Batman movies along with this story. A common element is that their villains are more sadistic than Marvel. Yes, Loki said for his armored golem-like giant to "kill them all" or something like that (can't remember the quote exactly) yet he still comes across like a comic book villain. He'll fail, even with all the death and destruction along the way. Zod here comes across as a warrior that's lost everything and doesn't have any "humanity" ("Kyptonity?&quot left after the destruction of his world to care for any other world. He's become a psychopath. His followers seem to have that same trait as well.

There is one short scene that shows up and is gone rather quickly and has disturbed me with its emotional impact. It was while the World Engine was running and throwing vehicles up into the air and then slamming them down, not to mention bringing whole buildings down, too. But in that short scene we are above the machine and see some vehicles brought into the air. The occupants are screaming, and then their vehicles are thrown back into the ground again. Plus, the screams are high-pitched, causing one to assume women and children mostly. The scene lasts maybe five seconds or so.

I saw no reason for them to add the screaming part. We know there are likely people inside of some of them. We don't need that level of realism. I'm sure most people never even noticed, what with all the other violent-for-the-sake-of-violence movies there are out there. I just found that little bit disturbing and it brought my general like for the movie down. And then there was the mental wondering of just how many people are being hurt or killed by Superman and Zod flying through buildings...

One thing that I liked about The Avengers was that in the end they show people grieving, setting up memorials and the like. After all the (likely) hundreds of thousands dead in Man of Steel, why aren't we shown his grief at their losses? Why is the death of Zod at his hands the only remorse worth presenting?

I thought it was a good action movie, but I think the DC Comics universe needs to add a little more humanity to their stories before I'll change my mind.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
20. I agree with everything you say and...(maybe spoiler-ish)
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 02:34 PM
Jun 2013

perhaps some insight on death of Zod...

This is one area I particularily agree. For someone such as Superman who was wrestling with his allegiance regarding whom he sides with, the humans or his people from Krypton, he seemed awfully upset over the fact that he killed Zod, the only other Kryptonian and the only person he technically kills with his own hands, yet he's not all that bent out of shape of the thousands killed during their "battle royal".

So the question begs to asked, as per how the movie is resolved against Superman's "allegiance", who is he is allied too?

Granted,the filmmaker made dramatic use of the "scream of frustration" but given the circumstances, a person watching it, could misconstrue the meaning of the scream as Superman's loss and him being the last.

And frankly, that's how I perceived it. For a guy who "grew up in Kansas" he seemed to quickly forget that in the end.

My two cents.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
22. Good analysis :)
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 03:38 PM
Jun 2013

And his scream could be seen two-fold: as both the lost of the only other surviving member of his race, and, the fact that he just directly murdered someone. He's always been portrayed as being as averse to killing/murder as Batman, and here he temporarily 'lost' that aversion. Or we hope it's temporary.

The other thing, too, about him not seeming to care about all the collateral damage is that no one else seems to be grieving, either. We all know how we felt in the weeks directly after September 11th, and you'd have been hard-pressed to find someone not still dazed by it during that time. No one seemed to be in the least bit of shock at the end of this one.

There's one person on the IMDb board for this Superman version that's deadset against the notion that hundreds of thousands died, putting up plenty of assumptions that no one would have showed up to work after the threat leveled against the world. Yet, I recall the streets depicted as being filled with people and their vehicles (including plenty of taxis) before the ship came in. With that many on the ground, it's a safer assumption that those buildings have plenty of people in them, at least in the tens of thousands.

As soon as that ship started up, power would have shut down in that block, so no elevators for quick evacuation. Those gravity waves would have also begun stressing the buildings in ways that would make it even more difficult to evacuation, much less get out of the way of whole buildings toppling over. Needless to say, I got tired of reading the IMDb boards quickly. Plus, they've been overrun by libertarians.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
23. All good points. And yes, IMDB boards are filled with the insane libertarians.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 03:46 PM
Jun 2013

Reading another post in this thread in regards to the poster "hating superman" for his American Authoritarianism. I wondered, if there ever was and if there wasn't, a series of superman comics that deals with the concept of superman being born in the USSR.

Now THAT would be a good read. I have to ask this question in the comic book forum.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
24. I seem to recall there being an alternate-universe Nazi version.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 03:57 PM
Jun 2013

I don't know if it was an official comic or a satire created by someone else, but it does seem familiar.

Now, if you want to spent the rest of the month sifting through the comics on this site (The Digital Comic Museum) then you might find ones similar to those ideas. I don't think they have DC or Marvel there, but there are so many comics on it, that I've already spent way too many hours reading some of the obscure ones (such as a Basil Wolverton comic I'd never seen before!)

Have fun!

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
27. Yeah, it's a gold mine! :)
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 10:46 PM
Jun 2013

And I didn't know there was a comic book group. If they're willing to talk about non-superhero comics, I'll have a look. About the only superhero stuff I ever read was FemForce

Thanks for that link, too

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
28. The cover art for the 3 comics are amazing. They really capture the feel and the times.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 07:57 AM
Jun 2013

thanks for the link. I really enjoy alt history stuff and I'm now exploring it in regards to comic books.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
15. Kudos to Kevin Costner in a very similiar role to his Field Of Dreams role except here he is the dad
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 05:07 PM
Jun 2013

and Kudos to Russell Crowe, as always. I can't recall him ever not nailing a role.

Kudos to Richard Schiff, Harry Lennox, Michael Kelly, Diane Lane, Amy Adams, Antje Traue playing the Sarah Douglas Role in the Chris Reeve Superman, and Ayelt Zorer played his mother and the kid who played Pete.

A big booo to Michael Shannon, as always, the question is, why is he an actor?

one note though
My Superman is George Reeve
My father's Superman is Kirk Allyn
One of my kids Superman is Tom Welling (who just as easily could have been This Superman).

and I really enjoyed as said Kevin Costner.

The last 40 minutes was ridiculously long (way too long).


btw, there are TWO major BLINK and you will miss them tiny points if one is looking for a Justice League movie to follow this.
(having to do with Wayne enterprises and Luther corp.)
(It's not a spoiler as it really has nothing to do with the plot).

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
17. I've seen radically different reviews on the movie
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 05:20 PM
Jun 2013

people seem to either love it or hate it, without much in between.

Maybe I'll see it this coming week?

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
18. So I saw the movie. I enjoyed it but.... --SPOILER ALERT--
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 12:37 PM
Jun 2013

Highlight to see:

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I can actually live with the way Zod was taken out but, I feel like they should have tried harder to find a different way.

I can still live with it, but this is Superman, who tries to find the best way if possible without killing.
In this sense, Batman became lighter than Superman. He did not personally kill any one, even with the limits he has.

I mean, I guess to me this is a sticking point, albeit a minor one. I still enjoyed the movie quite a lot actually, just a little disappointed that he was not able to stick to that.

If it was any other hero who breaks down and kills somebody, it would probably be more acceptable(and even expected), but this is Superman, the guy who personifies righteousness. He does not kill. (There are exceptions, like Doomsday but Zod is a recurring character trapped in the phantom zone). Then again, he did kill Zod in Superman II way back then, so it makes my point moot. Alright, this was just personal preference for me, but I can definitely live with it.

So, all in all, decent movie, and the change on the relationship between Lois and Clark, where she is a collaborator rather than someone oblivious is great and makes a lot more sense than before.[/font]

So yes, I enjoyed the movie. I can live with the changes, most of them makes sense. Finally an acceptably good Superman movie. ((Superman Returns was decent and did well, but not was not enough to merit sequels. I think this one did well enough to do so.))

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
19. I saw it too this weekend...
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 02:21 PM
Jun 2013

And having been a fan of Superman since the days when comics were 5 cents, I thought the movie good, not great.

And not for the reasons you stated above.

While the action sequences were indeed amazing and were portrayed in such a fashion that captured the comic book to a "T", (the framing and design in particular were just awe inspiring), the issue I had, wasn't so much with the flash back sequences per say, but the editing of them. While I understand that a certain gravity had to be allowed to build the "farm boy sense of morality", it felt a little heavy handed and went on bit to long.

The sequence where he meets his "real" father for the first time, suffered from a few jumps of logic (minor) but also a painfully slow scene of exposition.

I also found that his scenes with Amy Adam's, to me, lacked a real link that was only made up in the very last scene in the movie. I never felt a connection between the two of them and sometimes their "intimate" scenes came off as if they were just reciting their lines.

That aside, I thought it was still a good movie, not a great one.

I rate my movies this way,(from bad to good):
-wait till netflix
-wait till cable
-matinee during the week
-matinee on the weekend (early bird special here in Austin at the Regal Theater)
-afternoon before 6pm price
-evening showing (after 6pm) during the week
-the day after opening night
-opening night.

I give this one between an "afternoon before 6PM " and "evening showing during the week"

I guess that roughly translates to a 5 1/2 out of 8 stars.

I tend to be a very tough reviewer. My buddy always says to me, "don't you like anything?"

So for me giving it the rating I did, is praise.

TrogL

(32,822 posts)
21. I hate Superman (spoilers)
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 03:10 PM
Jun 2013

I'm a Batman guy through and through. I've even got a Batman action figure on my desk at work (when the cleaner's haven't knocked it over).

I hate Superman for his smug superiosity. I hate Superman for his deus ex machina bag of tricks - heat vision, effortless supersonic flight, impossible strength. I hate simpering Clark Kent. I hate that he gets the girl. I hate his promotion of American authoritarianism.

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Now I've got a problem. I cried through most of the movie.

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I'm adopted. This movie absolutely nailed it - the adoption issues. Who am I? Who are my parents? Where did I come from? What is my name?

I'm different. I'm on the autistic spectrum. As a kid I'd get overwhelmed by too many people talking and smells and textures. The scene in the closet totally nailed it.

I'm different. I have special and rare musical talents that I wasn't allowed to use because it was considered cheating and "not music" or I'd stick out and the bullies would start in.

Oh yes, the bullies. Not being able to retaliate because the consequences were greater than doing nothing. The bullies were the principal's pets - enforcers.

The end of the movie was a blur because I was already a basket case.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
29. great post
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 06:22 PM
Jun 2013

Seems the movie has found a varied audience. I've heard Churches are using it in sermons when preaching saviors and redemption.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
30. I loved it. First time they got Superman right.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 06:52 PM
Jun 2013

Everything about it was pitch perfect in my opinion. It wasn't cartoonish and hokey. I loved the fact that Zod actually had a purpose other than wanton destruction and revenge. I loved the way they reversed the story. Instead of going with the dorky Clark Kent reporter thing from the start, they actually let him work toward that. I could go on and on but I won't, I'm just going to say that if you like superhero movies at all this is a MUST see.

AmyDeLune

(1,846 posts)
31. I saw it last night and I liked it
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 09:05 PM
Jun 2013

I stopped reading/listening to reviews a few years ago. I prefer to watch the trailer, check out the cast, director, etc., and decide whether or not I want to see the film on the big screen based on that. I read the reviews after I've seen the movie. I have yet to find a current critic/reviewer who is either close enough to my own tastes or at least unbiased enough to give an honest critique that I feel comfortable trusting their judgement over my own. I often find myself reading a review mumbling "Did you even watch the movie?!? They explained all the things you're whining about, were you not paying attention?!?"

I didn't hate Superman Returns, but it was disappointing. I would have liked to have seen Brandon Routh's Superman instead of Brandon Routh's impersonation of Christopher Reeves' Superman.

I don't really have much to add to what everyone else has said about Man of Steel. It was an excellent reboot and I'm looking forward to more in the future.

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