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Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 04:01 AM Jun 2013

Anyone ever sold tobacco or liqour in the states. What was it like? Rules?...

So to lay the background for why I'm asking this question the post about the pharmacist copying the person's ID when filling a script reminded me of my days working as an assistant manager at 7-11. This was about 5 years ago now. In Canada you can't sell alcohol in convenience stores so for us it was all just tobacco products, but the same problems would arise at a liqour store. The government here has very strict regulations on the sale of tobacco and liquor products when it comes to age. Legally you have to be 19 in most provinces here to smoke and drink. However most places have a 30 or younger rule which means if you look 30 or younger you are getting ID'd. Some places card just about everyone. The government sends around shoppers to test stores on a regular basis. These are usually people around 16 years of age but usually look somewhat ambiguous age wise. The kicker is that if an employee fails one of these government shops they are liable to be PERSONALLY fined up to $500. I had two employees fined and fired when I was working at 7-11. One earlier on when I was an assistant manager and later one when I was the acting manager, both were far to lax at checking ID. For a clerk working a 7-11 type retail job a $500 fine is a LOT of money! Also if the store itself failed 3 such shops they would have their tobacco license revoked. Despite this and despite the fact that we had well placed signage warning people of the 30 and under rule, one of the chief things we had to deal with and a daily basis were ass holes getting angry at us for carding them. You wouldn't believe how mad some people got when I ID'd them. Worst still they would try to get a friend to buy stuff for them and of course I would have to refuse them any and all tobacco sales then too. Or sometimes the guy next in line would OFFER to help, which was extra annoying. And now I had to refuse both of them ANY age restricted tobacco products cause I have no idea who's buying for who now. More than once things almost escalated into having to call the police, though in my 4 years on the job no actual violence of any type actually occurred.

Does anyone here have stories of selling tobacco or alcohol in the US? Do you guys have similar rules and regulations? Did you have to deal with similar grief on a daily basis?

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Anyone ever sold tobacco or liqour in the states. What was it like? Rules?... (Original Post) Locut0s Jun 2013 OP
I don't sale either. TexasTowelie Jun 2013 #1
Interesting info, thanks... Locut0s Jun 2013 #2
AND THEN bluedave Jun 2013 #3
Probably still cheaper than here though. nt. Locut0s Jun 2013 #4
Bartended for several years in Nevada LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #5
Did you get much grief for doing so? Locut0s Jun 2013 #7
Only if they had no ID LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #8
I guess because Canada has a more liberal reputation... Locut0s Jun 2013 #11
Here in California, I think they card using a 35 or under rule... GReedDiamond Jun 2013 #6
New Mexico has a card EVERYONE law Kali Jun 2013 #9
i get carded regularly and i don't care fizzgig Jun 2013 #10
Lol that's a good one. I have a similar story involving a stolen CC... Locut0s Jun 2013 #12

TexasTowelie

(112,150 posts)
1. I don't sale either.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 04:36 AM
Jun 2013

I can only write about Texas on this item since I haven't traveled outside the state in awhile. However, I'm carded at the Dollar General in my neighborhood. I look like I'm between 35 to 40 although my actual age is 48. At stores like Walgreen's and Dollar General the clerk must actually enter the birth date of the purchaser into the cash register. I did manage to purchase some alcohol tonight at a gas station and wasn't asked for my ID.

Texas Alcohol & Beverage Commission frequently sends in customers to test bars, restaurants and stores. If an employee unwittingly sales alcohol to a minor then both the employee and the business will receive citations. Depending on the employer, the employee might be fired from the business. Here is a link to the TABC Website that provides more information for sales to minors, intoxicated persons and other infractions.

http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/laws/standard_penalty_chart.asp

I know that the penalties vary from state to state, but at least this should give you a start.

BTW, how are you doing on the pain level from 1 to 10 with the issue you recently mentioned?

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
2. Interesting info, thanks...
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 04:56 AM
Jun 2013

I knew that many US states were fairly strict about sales of age restricted products but have read few stories so it's interesting to hear some of them. Thanks.

As for the pain thanks for enquiring. Pain is basically 0 now that it has been lanced and drained. Before the lancing it was like a 6 on my own scale. Getting it lanced was not fun. The anaesthetic injection was an 8+ and so was the manipulation of the area after. Glad that's over with Now I just await hearing from the surgeon on the more permanent fix.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
5. Bartended for several years in Nevada
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 11:46 PM
Jun 2013

It was much the same as you described, except that if you got caught selling to a minor it was a fine, an automatic firing AND you lost your sheriff's card (this meant you couldn't work anywhere else that had gaming). Rule of thumb was to card anyone that looked under 40.



Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
11. I guess because Canada has a more liberal reputation...
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 01:33 AM
Jun 2013

people here don't expect to get carded as much and they don't think the law is as important. The US is a much more authoritarian country than we are in many ways. I met lots of people every day who just said they didn't carry their ID, and were insulted that I'd ask. They thought I had a stick up my ass for following the letter of the law so closely, "come on man lighten up", etc.. never mind my job was at stake.

GReedDiamond

(5,311 posts)
6. Here in California, I think they card using a 35 or under rule...
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 12:21 AM
Jun 2013

...I'm 39 - for going on almost two decades - and, when buying some IPAs, I still get asked for ID on occasion.

It most definitely does not piss me off when I am carded!

However, it does bug me when they ask me if I "need help carrying that out"!

Kali

(55,007 posts)
9. New Mexico has a card EVERYONE law
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 12:44 AM
Jun 2013

weird to see an old grizzly trucker guy in his 60s get carded

me? I am of an age where I fool myself and feel flattered

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
10. i get carded regularly and i don't care
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 01:28 AM
Jun 2013

i know the clerk is just doing their job and i appreciate that. the local cops also send underaged kids into gas stations and liquor stores to see whether they get carded. it's a big fine if they sell to minors.

i had a funny experience involving that once. i lost my id out at the bars one night and had already gotten a new one when i went to the liquor store one night. as i was checking out, the clerk looked at me and told me to hold on. he rifles through a drawer for a second and pulls out the id i had lost! some girl had tried to use it to buy alcohol and i was in there so often they knew she wasn't me. they were really close to campus and were very vigilant about carding everybody.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
12. Lol that's a good one. I have a similar story involving a stolen CC...
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 01:41 AM
Jun 2013

Again back in my 7-11 days.

A guy comes up to me to try to buy a couple of cartons of cigs. We didn't sell many cartons as 7-11 is an expensive place to buy by the carton so every time someone wanted more than one it was a potential red flag. Work in retail long enough and you also just develop a sixth sense about people and this guy was giving off the wrong vibes right away for me. So he hands me his card and right away I ask for matching ID. On larger purchases we often asked for photo ID to match the name up with the credit card being used and photo with the customer. Well the guy didn't have any. I took another look at the ID and the name on it was something like "Mr. Kuan Jun Pak". This guy was as white as a piece of bleached paper. This is getting kind of fun at this point. "You know the name on this card is Korean right?" I tell him. He pauses for a second clearly out of his depth. "Uhh. Yeah I'm Korean". I had trouble keeping a straight face at that one. Anyway long story short he walked out of their with his tail between his legs.

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