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Fri Aug 29, 2014, 10:09 PM

Aeroplane In A Bottle: From This One, I Will Be Getting Some Cash....





This was my entry in a small modeling contest. It took the first prize, which just arrived today --- a very large scale kit, one which I would never build myself, but that I can probably sell off for something around a hundred fifty dollars. Might work out to a dollar an hour on the assembly....





It is built from scratch, in 1/72 scale ( six feet to the inch ), and the wingspan is a bit under nine inches.

It is a Short Admiralty Type 827, one of three which were sent out to Zanzibar in the late spring of 1915, and then were sent up to Basra, and employed by the Royal Naval Air Service in support of Gen. Townsend's drive on Baghdad, operating around Kut-al-Amara when it was taken in September, and subsequently. The 827 was designed as a floatplane, but at least two of those in Iraq, one of which was No. 822, had their floats replaced with wheels, as operating from the surface of the Tigris River presented many difficulties.

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Reply Aeroplane In A Bottle: From This One, I Will Be Getting Some Cash.... (Original post)
The Magistrate Aug 2014 OP
blogslut Aug 2014 #1
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #5
NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #2
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #6
panader0 Aug 2014 #3
Lochloosa Aug 2014 #4
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #7
shaayecanaan Aug 2014 #29
Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #8
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #11
cyberswede Aug 2014 #9
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #12
cyberswede Aug 2014 #15
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #16
hibbing Aug 2014 #22
denbot Aug 2014 #10
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #14
Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #13
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #17
Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #19
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #21
malthaussen Aug 2014 #44
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #46
Brother Buzz Aug 2014 #18
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #20
Brother Buzz Aug 2014 #25
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #26
Brother Buzz Aug 2014 #27
Kali Aug 2014 #23
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #24
JohnnyRingo Aug 2014 #28
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #30
lovemydog Aug 2014 #31
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #37
cantbeserious Aug 2014 #32
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #38
azurnoir Aug 2014 #33
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #42
intaglio Aug 2014 #34
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #39
caraher Aug 2014 #35
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #40
caraher Aug 2014 #45
sendero Aug 2014 #36
The Magistrate Aug 2014 #41
malthaussen Aug 2014 #43
awoke_in_2003 Aug 2014 #47

Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 10:15 PM

1. Lovely!

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Response to blogslut (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 10:31 PM

5. Thank You, Ma'am

Glad you like it. I had a lot of fun making it up.

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Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 10:21 PM

2. Beautiful! And I thought of you, Sir, this past Wednesday evening.

 

I had plans to meet some friends for cocktails in Los Gatos, Ca, and arrived early with time to take a short walk.

I came upon the "Sierra Toy Soldier Company" and, while closed, they had an impressive window display.

http://www.sierratoysoldier.com/

The term "Toy" is somewhat dismissive of the seriousness and care taken by enthusiasts of that genre of scale modeling, and it may be that some of their products are not representative of the high quality one finds produced by serious modellers and historians.

Nonetheless, I thought of you, Sir, and you were with me in that moment.

Thank you for the post.

Respectfully,

NYC_SKP

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 10:37 PM

6. I Appreciate That, Sir

I have heard of that place. Some while ago I got a letch to do a 54mm figure ( i did a fair amount of figure painting in my teens ), and they are well known on sites where figure modelers gather. There is some extraordinary work done by figure painters.

You may have noted a 'Britain's' entry in the site. That is a good part of where the 'toy' comes from. They were a company selling toy soldiers to children from very long ago, and the style of their castings came to be a standard and collectable all in its own right among people who grew up with them.

Back when they actually gave children things made of lead....

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Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 10:24 PM

3. Wow! A great creation.

What's with the superstructure over the engine?

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Response to panader0 (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 10:27 PM

4. I would like to know that myself.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 10:42 PM

7. Thank You, Sir

It is the radiator, Gentlemen. Shorts had done a lot of nautical work, and designed something based on steam condensors for the purpose. As long as any water was in it, the jacket around the cylinders would at least be where it would be found. It was not quite so solid as it looks in the model in real life at full size, but it did obscure view somewhat. One of the pilots in Iraq wrote that he would rather not, in such heat, be flying with the radiator in front of his face, but some of these were used for patrols over the North Sea, where I expect the wash of warmed air was welcome.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 01:16 AM

29. the albatross had the radiator in front of the pilot too

The pilots hated it because a single round through the radiator and the boiling water would hit them right in the face.

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Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 10:56 PM

8. Outstanding!!!

 

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:07 PM

11. Glad You Like It, Sir

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Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 10:59 PM

9. That's a thing of beauty!

At $1/hour, I hope it was a labor of love!

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:14 PM

12. I Don't Think Anybody Ever Said That About An Early Short Bros. Product, Ma'am

Looks only a mother could love....

This is one I have thought about building for some time. I came upon an article in an old amateur history journal which contained a great many photographs taken by an Australian mechanic stationed at Basra in 1915, which included four showing various aspects of this machine ( probably taken, at least three of them, in late December ), which is unusually good documentation for a subject so out of the way as this.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #12)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:23 PM

15. The history of it is what makes it even more interesting, I'd wager.

(p.s. - it's "Ma'am"

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:34 PM

16. It Does Indeed, Ma'am

Most of the models I build have some background to them I find particularly interesting. Sort of illustrations for a bit of history.

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:49 PM

22. agree

Yeah, the model is beautiful but I also enjoyed the history about the plane.

Peace

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Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:05 PM

10. I admire your skill

Fantastic detail, please post more of your work when you feel the urge.

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Response to denbot (Reply #10)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:18 PM

14. Thank You, Sir

I post them up here occasionally, when I feel I have something special.

Besides the obvious one of the rigging, the particular challenges of this were the bare engine, and the spoke wheels. Over-heating was a real problem, and they stripped all the cowling panels off the nose to get some air flow to assist the water.

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Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:15 PM

13. Congratulations on First Prize !!

My brother builds models.
I will have to show him this thread.
He will appreciate the hard work and detail. Excellent craftsmanship!

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #13)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:35 PM

17. Thank You, Ma'am

What sort of subjects does he prefer?

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #17)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:38 PM

19. all things WW2 ... he can talk WW2 for hours on end.

He does trains, too.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #19)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:49 PM

21. I Do some From That Period, Ma'am

Mostly in the early phases, or things that unaccountably could still be found in service. I am fondest of Great War subjects, and of the period between the wars.

Trains can be fascinating. I have run into people who do incredible work making their own rolling stock, often from brass.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #21)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 11:23 AM

44. Interwar aviation is a fascinating subject.

The pace of development was incredible.

Model trains as well. I'd wondered if you dabbled in that sphere. I subscribed to Model Railroader for years, in earnest of that "some day" that never quite got around to coming. So many magnificent layouts and models. Hundreds of hours spent on the most finicky details. Quite awe-inspiring.

-- Mal

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #44)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 02:53 PM

46. For Me, Sir

Much of the interest of that period is that there was not yet consensus on the 'best' way to make a plane, and it was still possible to get equivalent results from different approaches. So there was great variety.

A lot of the materials I use come from the m,odel railroaders section of the shop, the plastic sheet and such, and a various lettering sheets. When I was very young I had an after-school job in a large hobby shop, and some of their trade was in kits for building rolling stock and locomotives in HO.

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Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:36 PM

18. Are those bee hives above the engine the radiator?

Job well done.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #18)

Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:45 PM

20. That It Is, Sir

Glad you like it.

By the time I got to that, dead-line pressure was on, so I made it a solid block with deep scoring. I really should have assembled separate thin planes of sheet, with some small degree of gap between; the thing was not quite so solid, actually, as it looks from most angles.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:36 AM

25. I admire your work because I don't have your patience to build them

With the deadline looming, I'd have pulled out that engine and dropped in an air cooled radial engine and been done with it. I kid!

Speaking of patience, I'm still waiting for you to build Roald Dahl's Gloster Gladiator. The Serial number was K7911, if that helps.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #25)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:40 AM

26. I See You Are Serious About That, Sir

I will look into it. I have a couple of the new Airfix Gladiator kits. One will be done up as a Chinese machine ( they were the first to use them in combat ), but other subjects remain fluid....

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #26)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:54 AM

27. Perhaps if you read his memoir, Going Solo, you could be inspired to build it

I'm series.

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Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:13 AM

23. wow

such great detail! thanks for posting.

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Response to Kali (Reply #23)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:30 AM

24. Thank You, Ma'am

I can assure you there were things I left off, and others I simplified. In the small scale, it is often best to suggest, rather than try for every single tiniest thing....

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Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 01:11 AM

28. Love scale modelling

And I love airplanes, so I can really appreciate this. I'll bet it was hard researching such an obscure plane.

It's especially impressive in such a small scale. I can't tell it from a larger model. Incredible detail, and I'd like to see some close up shots. Scratch built is awesome!

Why are both ailerons down? (On edit: I see it's shown like this in the Wikki image as well.)

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #28)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 01:24 AM

30. I Enjoy It, Sir

Mostly it is pretty relaxing, though there are times the air gets blue.

Our camera does not really handle close-ups too well: here is one of the engine, though, when it was nearly ready to install....



The ailerons were rigged in a manner common in the pioneer days.. Lines ran from the control wheel to each aileron, but nothing connected the ailerons to one another to make them work in opposition. The control cable to each aileron could only pull it down. When the machine was at flying speed, the slipstream pressed the ailerons up, and their rise was restrained by their control cables to alignment with the wing's camber. When the wheel was turned in one direction, it tightened the wires on one side and pulled one aileron down; it may also have slackened the line to the opposite aileron, allowing it to rise and so reducing the lift it generates on the other wing-tip, but I do not know for certain that was the case. But it would positively pull one aileron down, increasing the lift of that wing tip, and so banking the wings. Since nothing but the slip-stream held the ailerons up, when the machine was at rest they both just hung there.

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Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 02:10 AM

31. What a wonderful passion.

It shows in your beautiful work. It's funny that way isn't it? Some of my favorite accomplishments are things in which it wasn't about the money. It was about the enjoyment. I'm interested in other's passions. Thanks for sharing one of yours.

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #31)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 09:41 AM

37. Thank You, Sir

It is done for love, certainly, but it is nice to get money....

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Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 02:24 AM

32. Nice Job

eom

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #32)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 09:42 AM

38. Thank You, Sir

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Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 03:19 AM

33. simply lovely

thank you for sharing this and you have my admiration for having both the patience and steadiness of hand to accomplish works like this

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #33)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 10:03 AM

42. Thank You Very Much, My Friend

Some of the trick is to not be breathing while the hand makes its final move....

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Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 06:06 AM

34. A glorious piece

Thank you for sharing. Scratch building of this type and quality is, unfortunately, very rare.

... and I have just had a nasty thought it may be that 3D printing may take some of the skill away if used to print things like the armatures and frames of the models or to detail lumps like engines.

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Response to intaglio (Reply #34)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 09:47 AM

39. Glad You Like It, Sir

Some of us do look towards 3-D with mingled hope and dread. At this point the definition on anything affordable is not really suitable for the craft; deposit in layers leaves perceptible steps which have to be worked out. But there are certainly things I would not mind at all being able to cue up a machine to make, rather than assembling them out of bits sometimes of sub-millimeter size. One of the early uses will probably be for masters from which runs of resin castings can be made.

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Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 07:48 AM

35. Magnificent work

When I was young and built kit model planes I always found the WWI era so intimidating because of the rigging... Scratch building is yet again another few orders of magnitude more challenge!

I hope you don't mind linking to your build thread in a modeling forum, which includes a photo of the original aircraft:

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Response to caraher (Reply #35)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 09:59 AM

40. Thank You, Sir

I do not mind at all. Posting here, of course, I try and keep the shop-talk to a minimum.

If anyone would like a bit more of the history, it can be found here:

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234964852-short-827-converted-rnas-mesopoptamia-1915-scratch-build-in-172/

Are you a member over there, or did the picture come up on a Google search?

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #40)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 01:27 PM

45. I did a Google search

I don't recall whether it was an image search or a regular search. I'm not a member there... I still have model kits sitting around and occasionally think, "Maybe some day when I have time..."

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Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 07:54 AM

36. Well done..

.... very impressive!

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Response to sendero (Reply #36)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 10:01 AM

41. Thank You, Sir

It does run a bit larger than my usual....

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Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 11:16 AM

43. Fine work!

The prize is well-deserved.

-- Mal

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Response to The Magistrate (Original post)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 06:50 PM

47. Very nice, sir. nt

 

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