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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsEdited: Two questions for those in the know about residential rentals.
What would happen if I rented a house that accepted one pet, and I signed that I had one pet, but actually had three, and later - days, months, years - the landlord/owner discovered that I had three pets?
Edit: Do you know if there is a legal limit on pets in a single-family detached house? I'm going to the county website, but if you have a quick answer for Orange Co, CA, I'd love for you to educate me. Thanks.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)it also depends on how the landlord found out and how they feel about you as a tenant. These rules are not always ironclad, but to protect from tenant abuse of them. And often to avoid setting precedents.
Worst case might be if you said you had one cat but you have a dog, a ferret, and a monkey and they trash the place. That would be good-bye in most places.
If, however, you have one quiet dog, one cat, and a parakeet that all mind their own business and don't make noise or a mess or upset the other tenants, the landlord may decide to look the other way.
No matter what, you are on thin ice if you get caught in a lie before you even move in. It's not easy renting with pets, but I've been renting for years and that's what it is.
Bertha Venation
(21,484 posts)NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Tell them you have three cats and you have had them for several years. You can't give them up; they're family and all that.
Promise not to escalate or replace. I've had good luck with that approach.
elleng
(130,895 posts)Bertha Venation
(21,484 posts)Thank you!! I'll do it!
Heddi
(18,312 posts)She is allowed 1 dog that her lease states (according to her) small-to-medium sized dog.
SHe got a great dane.
She also got a bulldog puppy.
The landlord drove by and saw the dane in the window. Knocked on the door to inquire about the dog, coworker invited him in, he saw the mess the dane and the puppy have made and told them to either get rid of the dog or get out in 90 days.
They're not getting rid of the dogs, and now the landlord is working on eviction and a massive lawsuit because these dogs have torn the fuck out of her house....ruined the carpets, eaten parts of the floor and walls, torn up other things.
If you break the lease, no matter what part of the lease --- they can evict you for breach of contract. They can also sue you for damages.
Don't lie. You will get caught and you'll either have to pay up now or pay up later
KT2000
(20,577 posts)This is why I would never be a landlord.
Upon discovery, would you move out immediately or force the landlord to spend money on eviction? Would you fight eviction? Would you force the issue so eviction would have to be carried out under supervision of law enforcement (paid for by landlord)?
Do you have thousands saved to reimburse the landlord for potential damage to the property? Or are you hoping that the landlord would realize seeking compensation would be useless?
Do you realize that the landlord would enforce a no pets policy in the future because of your actions?
Are you going to post here in the future that the mean landlord is forcing you out of your home?
Really, I can't believe this - it would be dishonest, period.
Bertha Venation
(21,484 posts)I'm gathering as many facts and opinions as I can. This is just one question out of about ten that I have about the situation. I appreciate your input; no one else has laid it out so starkly. Thanks.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)the woman bought a car but the dealership never sent her the bill. She asked, what would happen if I just never paid for the car? their answer was "You will go to Hell!!!" After they all stopped laughing they gave the serious answer which was she had to pay.
In your case I think you have a better chance of getting away with it than this woman on the radio, but it sounds like a bad idea.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)It doesn't matter if the county or city has a limit to the number of pets. The town I live in does, but I could still rent property saying no pets or one pet.
It's best to not lie on a contract.
roody
(10,849 posts)well behaved and clean your animals are.
elleng
(130,895 posts)Pretty good idea.
haele
(12,650 posts)Will you be ensuring there is no mess more than one pet would make?
Can you keep the animal mess down to a minimum? (fixing an area like a closet up where the litter boxes are kept so there's no dust or tracking, cleaning up all wastes immediately, steaming carpet and vacuuming out the AC and heater ducts regularly...)
Is the owner on the premises, or likely to visit? Do you have close-by neighbors who will complain or tell on you or are you in a duplex/condo situation where there is a common wall or ducting system that a neighbor with "allergies" or other issues might be able to make a fuss about more than one pet?
Can you make a case that two cats are less destructive than one, and easier to clean up after, asking permission for two. Do you have references and move out pictures from previous rentals showing how neat you left the premises after having multiple cats?
Now that I'm no longer renting, I can tell you none of the landlords or owners of the four houses we rented ever knew we had more than two cats and one dog, and we were always able to make the argument (using photographs and references) of the ability to clean after our pets and leave our previous lease better than we moved in. It also helps that I figured out how to patch wall to wall carpeting.
The last management company we rented from asked us where the cats were before we turned the keys back. We managed to convince them to let us have two (well, we had four) on the contract instead of the one after references and before/soon to be after pictures of the place we were moving out of, so long as we paid deposit for the two.
They went looking for where the litterboxes would be, and couldn't find any evidence of cats in the house.
What I did was set up a large tarp around the floor and sides area the corner of the room where the litter boxes were to go, and I have a felt-covered cardboard structure that goes along the sides and curves over as a "roof" to keep the dust down, then have towels and cat litter rugs out four feet over the tarp on the floor to keep the dust and grit from getting onto the floor. It was a pain and took up space, but I never had a dust problem or nasty smells.
In fact the kidlet did far more damage than the pets ever did. But I never had pet damage in any rental, even with a young dog and a pair of kittens.
But when you are leasing and know you'll have more than one pet you should always inquire. If it seems like they may be hard and fast about it, tell them you have plans to ensure the place will remain clean, will provide plans and pictures of mess remediation efforts, and you'd pay an extra pet deposit to cover additional animals. Try to get a year lease rather than month to month. They'll be more accommodating if they feel you're going to make an investment in staying there rather than just looking for a place to crash (or trash) until you can find something better.
But ultimately, it's best to be clear about the possibility of them finding out you might have more than one pet.
Final warning - if your pets are rambunctious, noisy, or damaging, just keep on looking to the next house that would take more than one, because the damage unruly pets cause is what will ultimately give them grounds to get you evicted.
Honestly, trailer parks are probably your best bet in the long run, if you can afford to purchase a fixer and the lot rental. That's what we did - lot rental is less than quarter of a house rental, there's little yard upkeep (planter-box gardening), the utilities are sub-metered, there's a nice clubhouse and amenities, and we were able to purchase our double-wide cash on a bank estate sale. Took us two weeks to make it habitable, had to get new/used appliances and we're still renovating (finishing the hardwood flooring in every room), but the four cats are happy and we still have plenty of room for $750 a month lot rental and $155 a year "residence tax" - over 1500 sq ft of house, two large storage sheds, and a car port. And our neighbor's trailers are 18 ft. away - farther apart than most houses.
The management in a trailer park usually doesn't care what you keep in your trailer home, so long as they stay indoor pets and don't create trouble to the other residents.
As for legal limits, it depends on the city in Orange County, CA you will be moving to.
Every city has different rules; some have two pets only period, unless you're keeping something like an aquarium, some allow two each dogs and cats, with any number of other indoor pets allowed so long as they don't create a nuisance, health or safety hazard, some counties have no more than 2 outdoors and 4 indoors (dogs and cats). Here in San Diego county, there's a small suburb/un-incorporated "community" that requires if you have any more than 2 of a species must get a special license no matter if they're indoor or outdoor (due to the politics of having feral colonies and rescues in a neighborhood).
Anyway, there should be a city or county website that has a residential animal compliance code for the area you are moving into.
Good Luck.
Haele