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marmar

(77,097 posts)
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 03:55 PM Oct 2013

Chris Hedges: Our Invisible Revolution


from truthdig:


Our Invisible Revolution

Posted on Oct 28, 2013
By Chris Hedges


“Did you ever ask yourself how it happens that government and capitalism continue to exist in spite of all the evil and trouble they are causing in the world?” the anarchist Alexander Berkman wrote in his essay “The Idea Is the Thing.” “If you did, then your answer must have been that it is because the people support those institutions, and that they support them because they believe in them.”

Berkman was right. As long as most citizens believe in the ideas that justify global capitalism, the private and state institutions that serve our corporate masters are unassailable. When these ideas are shattered, the institutions that buttress the ruling class deflate and collapse. The battle of ideas is percolating below the surface. It is a battle the corporate state is steadily losing. An increasing number of Americans are getting it. They know that we have been stripped of political power. They recognize that we have been shorn of our most basic and cherished civil liberties, and live under the gaze of the most intrusive security and surveillance apparatus in human history. Half the country lives in poverty. Many of the rest of us, if the corporate state is not overthrown, will join them. These truths are no longer hidden.

It appears that political ferment is dormant in the United States. This is incorrect. The ideas that sustain the corporate state are swiftly losing their efficacy across the political spectrum. The ideas that are rising to take their place, however, are inchoate. The right has retreated into Christian fascism and a celebration of the gun culture. The left, knocked off balance by decades of fierce state repression in the name of anti-communism, is struggling to rebuild and define itself. Popular revulsion for the ruling elite, however, is nearly universal. It is a question of which ideas will capture the public’s imagination.

Revolution usually erupts over events that would, in normal circumstances, be considered meaningless or minor acts of injustice by the state. But once the tinder of revolt has piled up, as it has in the United States, an insignificant spark easily ignites popular rebellion. No person or movement can ignite this tinder. No one knows where or when the eruption will take place. No one knows the form it will take. But it is certain now that a popular revolt is coming. The refusal by the corporate state to address even the minimal grievances of the citizenry, along with the abject failure to remedy the mounting state repression, the chronic unemployment and underemployment, the massive debt peonage that is crippling more than half of Americans, and the loss of hope and widespread despair, means that blowback is inevitable. ............................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/our_invisible_revolution_20131028



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Chris Hedges: Our Invisible Revolution (Original Post) marmar Oct 2013 OP
A revolution, I agree with him is not in any way what one would prefer...the violence that Jefferson23 Oct 2013 #1
When the Monied Elites have criminalized everything that could have lead to peaceful resolution Vincardog Oct 2013 #2
I think that that quote is important to consider. Joe Shlabotnik Oct 2013 #3
The only thing we know for sure is that the .01% will never play fair and concede ANYTHING. Vincardog Oct 2013 #6
If history (up to and including the present day) is any guide... YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #13
Believe it or not, I'm not particularly happy about this...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #4
Revolt to what? What ideas do they have that they want to replace this with? jtuck004 Oct 2013 #5
Lets start with the simple things. 1 We demand an economic system that values Life over money. Vincardog Oct 2013 #7
#2 is exactly what the Industrial Unions tried to accomplish prior to FDR, and business, Business jtuck004 Oct 2013 #8
Your first post said: "Where are the IDEAS"? Now you want to know the details of how to implement Vincardog Oct 2013 #9
No. Revolution is fine and all that, but without training and education it's just a dumb mob, jtuck004 Oct 2013 #10
"Just like they have every other time". Like 1776? You seem to invested in the negative. I will Vincardog Oct 2013 #11
Or maybe i'm invested in reality. Enjoy those rosy glasses. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2013 #12
Did the American revolutionaries have it "all figured out"? YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #14
Respectfully, they had a plan to be free of the British, have their own government. jtuck004 Nov 2013 #15
Oh, yeah. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against it. I think we need to do something. jtuck004 Nov 2013 #16

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
1. A revolution, I agree with him is not in any way what one would prefer...the violence that
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 04:26 PM
Oct 2013

would occur and the chaos, frightening. With that said, you can't control the reactions that may very well erupt:



But once the tinder of revolt has piled up, as it has in the United States, an insignificant spark easily ignites popular rebellion. No person or movement can ignite this tinder. No one knows where or when the eruption will take place. No one knows the form it will take. But it is certain now that a popular revolt is coming. The refusal by the corporate state to address even the minimal grievances of the citizenry, along with the abject failure to remedy the mounting state repression, the chronic unemployment and underemployment, the massive debt peonage that is crippling more than half of Americans, and the loss of hope and widespread despair, means that blowback is inevitable.


K&R

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
2. When the Monied Elites have criminalized everything that could have lead to peaceful resolution
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:02 PM
Oct 2013

it becomes painfully apparent that Violent Revolution is the only thing that will be allowed.

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
3. I think that that quote is important to consider.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:47 PM
Oct 2013

The 1% have demonstrated throughout history that they are devoid of societal ethics; they operate like warlords. They've used every option available relentlessly pushing the envelope of economic brinkmanship while starving millions to death, and press-ganging millions more into their machinery.

Is it not at least, pragmatic to consider that all options are on the table? Even if they are unpleasant or a last resort, be certain that the global one 1% has already considered all the options at their disposal. Its profoundly naive to think that at some point they'll just play fair and concede.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
6. The only thing we know for sure is that the .01% will never play fair and concede ANYTHING.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:32 PM
Oct 2013

Their vision of the coming revolution is that their mercenaries (including the Military, the Police and private forces) beat us into submission. That happens while they guzzle $10,000/bottle wine and snort drugs off of hookers asses.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
13. If history (up to and including the present day) is any guide...
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:15 AM
Nov 2013

...the capitalist class has never hesitated to utilize violence, ruthless repression, and other forms of thuggery to crush any form of collective resistance to their hegemony.

Meanwhile, appalling poverty and horrific inequality continue to grow at a rapid pace. People are getting frustrated, angry, and bitterly resentful toward the entire system. Violence and conquest continue throughout the world on behalf of the capitalist class, while the vast majority of the globe has so little.

If a peaceful revolution is possible at this point, I would welcome it. But I, and many others, grow more skeptical of that notion daily...

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
4. Believe it or not, I'm not particularly happy about this......
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:58 PM
Oct 2013

I would have MUCH preferred spending the rest of my life as a "salon" Marxist talking about the necessity of a FUTURE revolution. Alas, it doesn't seem to be fated. I'll be 62 next week and it seems like the shit will hit the fan before I shrug off this mortal coil.

Just got finished reading 4 chapters in a Trotsky booklet about Great Britain in the late teens of the last century and it pretty much spells out WHY a revolution is necessary. It's all based on the ruling class's intransigence about allowing any real reforms that better the plight of the working class and poor. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
5. Revolt to what? What ideas do they have that they want to replace this with?
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 05:32 AM
Oct 2013

Getting rid of evil isn't enough. You have to build toward something. But the majority of people here and today could barely come up with a vision to re-structure Dancing With the Stars, much less a whole nation.

Like he said in the piece "An uprising that is devoid of ideas and vision is never a threat to ruling elites. Social upheaval without clear definition and direction, without ideas behind it, descends into nihilism, random violence and chaos. It consumes itself."

France had it's revolt, pulled out the guillotines and started lopping off the tyrants heads. Then the moneyed folks took over, had their little fight, and the revolution ended by lopping off tens of thousands of the heads of the working-class who started it.

What kind of result could we expect from two or three generations of people who have grown used to living on a financed plantation?

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
7. Lets start with the simple things. 1 We demand an economic system that values Life over money.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:39 PM
Oct 2013

2 We demand economic Democracy where the people working in an organization are responsible for the decisions governing that organization.
3 We demand that Voting, Housing, Food, Education and Health CARE are RIGHTS and be provided free to every citizen.
4 We demand that Federal elections be publicly financed and it be a felony for anyone to spend more that $100,000 to influence any federal election.


How is that for a start of a vision?

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
8. #2 is exactly what the Industrial Unions tried to accomplish prior to FDR, and business, Business
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:56 PM
Oct 2013

Unions (such as the AF of L), the government through and including FDR's administration, and most of the people, worked together to end that.

Oh, and I mostly agree with the ideas. But without implementation they don't mean much.

I won't say it's impossible, but one needs to recognize that it faces some steep obstacles.

How would one convince enough people that this is what we need to do, to get enough people behind it to put it in place? Because this is counter to what perhaps 300 odd million Americans can even conceptualize.

That whole "we" thing.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
9. Your first post said: "Where are the IDEAS"? Now you want to know the details of how to implement
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 04:08 PM
Oct 2013

The ideas. The answer seems to be REVOLUTION. It is a cart and Horse kind of proposition.

Of course there is and will be steep obstacles (all the accumulated riches of history) with almost every powerful interest seeking to retain their power.

The answer is to just start NOW and DO IT.
We all know people looking for work.
They know people looking for work.
WE the people need to come together and build the society we want to live in.

Start laying the bricks today for the foundation of our future.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
10. No. Revolution is fine and all that, but without training and education it's just a dumb mob,
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 06:11 PM
Oct 2013

which will be killed, jailed, disposed of.

The few that have the skills, the financiers and programmers and scientists, they aren't doing that badly. And without those skills you can't build a future.

Those bricks mean massive training and rebuilding, which eventually (decades?) might help people understand why and what they need to know. And until people understand those things, they are going to lose to the power every time. Just like they have every other time.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
11. "Just like they have every other time". Like 1776? You seem to invested in the negative. I will
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 08:13 PM
Oct 2013

spend my time and energy with people with more positive attitudes.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
15. Respectfully, they had a plan to be free of the British, have their own government.
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:13 AM
Nov 2013

Lots of holes in that, but at least they were building toward something.

Pretty much all I hear now is a bunch of "this or that is bad, and we don't want it". That's fine, but they aren't going to change these people they have a problem with, who are smarter and work smarter than the vast majority of people out there. They use the power that gives them for evil purposes in some cases, and spend an inordinate amount of time and money consolidating that power, and making damn sure most people can't touch them. But if one thinks that at this stage they are going to be able to come up with and enforce a set of "rules" that create a more equitable place, they need to explain what is going to stop them from getting rid of the rules we already had that did that? They stand on their balconies and laugh, and throw McDonalds applications down on people's heads because they know this.

Their opposition (us - and by that I mean the 99% who cross ALL political and social boundaries, who would have to work together to change it) consists of a bunch of fat-ass couch potatoes, upset with mean old rich people, upset that they have to pay taxes to have roads to drive on and schools to send their kids to, upset that there is a black guy in the WH, upset that mythical moms are driving mythical Cadillacs to the grocery, or a bunch of younger people with no experience who have, really, never, ever had to sacrifice anything much - not in comparison to the generations that have gone before them, and most of whom would move to the dark side for a job that pays barely twice what they make at McDonalds...

They, we are going to revolt?

Let me propose something. de la Boetie, back about 1450, wrote that there is no need to raise a hand to the tyrant. He has nothing you haven't given him, whether it is money, land, your children, your freedom, whatever.

All you have to do is quit supporting him, and he will fall of his own weight.

The reason we are foundering as a country, everyone becoming poorer, is because the wealthy are taking far more than their fair share. They are doing it through financing of most everything, with several mechanisms built up over time to insure that everyone in the 99% pays them something every month, in interest, without gaining much, if any, in the way of equity or wealth.The Fed is paying $85 billion a month to banks to sustain this tragic comedy, corporations are doing everything they can to raise share prices rather than invest for the long term (which would include paying more, among other things)
A bunch of people who have put little thought, if any, into what "revolution" really means.

So here's a revolution. Everyone quit paying them. Just stop. Lose your home if need be, lose your food if need be. They have already thrown 10 million families out in foreclosure and we saw what a debacle that was - even the government couldn't cover, say, 30 or 40 million families saying NO!. No more. No more payments to keep an unfair system going. We get together, support each other, get each other through the rough times. The only power, they only wealth they have is what you give them. Instantly all these inequalities stop - the plan being that we all take the hit that would come from bringing everything back to, say, 1976 prices, or maybe before that. Get rid of the financing, everything goes back to it's real value, without the inflation in the price we get from financing, which profits the corps, and kills everyone else.

And if one doesn't think we can do that simple thing, then what, exactly, do they mean by revolution?

Another - We are running a trade imbalance, filling our Walmarts with cheap stuff, handing our jobs out overseas. Everyone has to stop shopping for nearly anything not made in this country - not just at Walmart, everywhere. Be willing to do without until we can make it or grow it, or trade more equitably for it here. Prices of almost everything will skyrocket due to shortages, but do you want freedom or cheap clothes and food?

That will stop our trade imbalance in its tracks. Now you have to find, roughly, $40-50 trillion to rebuild and retrain the American people to create their own economy. The wealthy folks have about $20-$30 trillion offshore, but they are muli-national corps, and it won't be coming back. We can probably take over their deserted building, however.

But what will happen? Most people will fight for the right to keep things as they are, because they will see anyone who wants to upset the applecart as the problem, regardless of their good intentions. If they don't realize they are owned by these people, how can you expect them to struggle, to "fight"? Slavery was hard. But if one wanted to be free, they had to willing to walk away from the plantation, face possible death, starvation, a future that was probably filled with more danger than where they were. Harriet Tubman said "I saved a thousand slaves. I could have saved a thousand more, if only they knew they were slaves".

And since she spoke those words, not a damn thing has changed about that observation.

So could someone just lay out a realistic, and very, very bare bones idea of what this "revolution" they speak of might look like, what do they expect to accomplish? And remember I said "realistic", not something that supports Chris Hedges (as much as I like and respect him) articles in a blog?

Because if they don't end the ability of the people who are causing them grief to continue doing it, it won't matter what kind of little feel-good party they have. In the long run the greedy, grasping wealthy will have it all again, and a lot of well-intentioned people will be hurt and killed.

I do expect, struggles, and people fighting and dying in the street and nursing homes. But until the people are willing to walk away from this plantation, nothing substantial is going to change for the long term.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
16. Oh, yeah. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against it. I think we need to do something.
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:50 AM
Nov 2013

But I'm more into substance than fluff, real results rather than spin and excuses.

Such an effort is going to take years of organizing, by people who don't mind dying so others can win. It is going to take massive amounts of retraining, of changing the entire world view of enough people in a country full of people who, honestly, don't have even a conception of what it might be like to live without being controlled by the system the wealthy own today.

And it's going to take a lot of people being willing to live the rest of their lives in a poorer, harder, less certain manner. There is NO certainty today, other than the almost certain possibility that what we have is going to collapse, but that's irrelevant to people who can't conceptualize life any other way. It's like whistling one's way down a train track, having never seen a train, not knowing what one is, hearing a rumble and thinking "Huh, thunder. Didn't know it was gonna rain today", while a 300 ton locomotive is 200 feet behind you coming up at 70 mph.

So I just want a sketch of what they think is realistically possible to accomplish. Not the destination, not the goal, but how they expect to get there. How they plan to train millions of people to leave the relative comfort and security they think they have, how they are going to support each other when their food or housing is gone, how they intend to stay alive against people who can afford much better armies and politicians than the ones who were spending $80 million a year in 1932, who successfully broke the back of the Industrial Unions with the help of the Business Unions and the government and the people?

I think, if one can't come up with at least a coherent framework as to how that might be accomplished they are just fooling themselves, and will probably get otherwise good people hurt and killed for nothing.

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